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Students withdraw as deportation fears reach Irving schools

Irving parents withdrawing kids, may keep them out

11:27 PM CDT on Wednesday, October 3, 2007
By KATHERINE LEAL UNMUTH / The Dallas Morning News

Immigrant parents who fear deportation are "on the run" and are withdrawing their children from public schools, Irving ISD Superintendent Jack Singley said Wednesday.

Mr. Singley estimated that 90 children have withdrawn from school in the last week because of the deportation fears in Irving, where a police program has prompted warnings by the Mexican Consulate. The superintendent hopes their parents will re-enroll them somewhere else.

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"My concern is that some of them won't put those children in school anywhere because they're on the run," he said. "They get this notion that someone is going to actually come to school and snatch their children."

More than 33,000 students attend Irving public schools. Administrators fear that many more than just the 90 children who withdrew from school are frightened for themselves and their families.

District guidance counselors will meet on Friday to discuss what kind of plan, if any, they should develop to reassure students that they are safe at school regardless of their family's immigration status.

"We've had kids nervous about their parents being deported," said Jose Villaseñor, Irving ISD's director of responsive counseling. "The younger kids are nervous."

Recently, the Mexican Consulate began warning Mexican citizens to stay out of Irving because the city's Police Department has been working with federal immigration authorities to identify illegal immigrants who have been arrested and deport them. Irving police have turned over more than 1,600 people to immigration officials since the program began last year.

More than 1,000 protesters, most Hispanic, gathered outside Irving City Hall last week to raise concerns about racial profiling and about deportations separating families.

Irving Mayor Herbert Gears defended his city's policy Wednesday.

"If they're not being booked into our jail, there's nothing they should be worried about," he said.

He said parents need not fear that immigration officials or police will pick up their children from school campuses.

"Hopefully, people aren't making the wrong choice about whether or not to live in Irving," he said.

Many people in Irving support the City Council's immigration policy, Mr. Gears said. Many of them believe illegal immigrants overburden social services and overcrowd public schools.

The school district had a peak enrollment Sept. 25 of 33,189 students ? up only slightly from last year.

Last year about 66 percent of students were Latino and 36 percent had limited English skills ? the highest percentage of any school district in North Texas.

Mr. Singley said he does not know how many illegal immigrant children attend Irving schools. School districts typically don't ask the immigration status of their students. Public schools are required to provide a free education to illegal immigrant children.

Mr. Singley raised his concerns at the mayor's human relations advisory committee meeting on Tuesday. He and other community leaders discussed what sort of action plan might help those affected by deportations.

"There are children left behind, and there are families that have been traumatically affected by the deportation of a family member," committee Chairman Rene Castilla said. "What is the role of the community?"

Many of the children are American-born citizens and need psychological help, he said.

Pedro Portillo, pastor of Santa Maria de Guadalupe Lutheran Church, said a parishioner with school-age children has told him she would move out of Irving because her husband was deported.

Mr. Gears plans to visit Nimitz High School today to speak with the Latinos Stand Up club, a student group dedicated to improving the education of Hispanic students.

Club sponsor and Spanish teacher Netanya Even said it's important for students to stay informed, know their rights and help dispel rumors.

"Obviously they're concerned about the welfare of their families, but there are larger social issues, too," Ms. Even said. "Some of them are concerned about racial profiling, feeling frustrated and asking, 'Why are we a group that's not wanted?' They feel resentful."

Nimitz senior Abigail Carranza, 17, an American citizen, said she's also afraid.

"I don't like driving anymore because I don't want them to pull me over," she said. "We're all scared that they're pulling over anyone that's a little darker."
 

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'Why are we a group that's not wanted?' They feel resentful."

How do they find it so easy to distort reality?

Why are they a group who feels the law does not apply to them? LEGAL immigrants feel outrage and contempt
 

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Maybe their kids will get sick of it and demand that their parents apply for citizenship instead of running? Doubt it.
 

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Can they take their Mexican curriculum textbooks back home with them where they belong?

The future illegals should CONSIDER this when deciding to come here to make anchor babies. This land shall not be theirs. We could take in 5 million every year and destroy this nation and not achieve any noticeable difference for reliving the rest of the planet of its impoverished people. They need to build up their nations, not destroy ours.

It?s the volume that is the issue here, and that is why we have legal immigration in the first place.
 

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I'm wondering what America would like like today if the Mexicans, Apaches, Navajoes, Cherokees, Seminoles, etc. would have had enforced stricter immigration laws and policies?
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm wondering what America would like like today if the Mexicans, Apaches, Navajoes, Cherokees, Seminoles, etc. would have had enforced stricter immigration laws and policies?

Back when they were killing each other riding around on horses with hatchets and arrows for weapons?
 

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm wondering what America would like like today if the Mexicans, Apaches, Navajoes, Cherokees, Seminoles, etc. would have had enforced stricter immigration laws and policies?

Back when they were killing each other riding around on horses with hatchets and arrows for weapons?

We know what happened. The settlers killed most of the natives and destroyed their society. Do we WANT history to repeat itself? We should have more than words for any man who says yes.
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm wondering what America would like like today if the Mexicans, Apaches, Navajoes, Cherokees, Seminoles, etc. would have had enforced stricter immigration laws and policies?

I'm wondering if you like the fact that our country is being invaded...
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm wondering what America would like like today if the Mexicans, Apaches, Navajoes, Cherokees, Seminoles, etc. would have had enforced stricter immigration laws and policies?

Might as well say.

I wonder how the world would be if Neanderthals enforced immigration on Homo Sapiens?

How far do you want to go back, they lost.
 

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Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm wondering what America would like like today if the Mexicans, Apaches, Navajoes, Cherokees, Seminoles, etc. would have had enforced stricter immigration laws and policies?

I'm wondering if you like the fact that our country is being invaded...

"Our country" is nothing more than an imaginary border drawn around a floating rock in space. "Our country" is nothing more than a human condition that is based on fear of the unknown.

What if those there Mexicans were to do to us exactly what we did? That would be horrible. We can't allow anyone to treat us the way that we treat everyone else!! Get out of our country you horrible beaners!! :roll:

When will we ever realize that life on this floating rock in space would be a whole lot better if we just were able to drop this stupid charade of "us and them" and started acting as a "we"?

/Moonbeam mode ;)


Oh, and as an afterthought, I'm sure that 99% of those claiming that the "illegal immigrants" need to be deported from our "great country" are bitching in other threads that those bastard, terroristic insurgents in Iraq need to be killed for killing US soldiers IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY! Why are we not leaving their country like the majority of their citizens and their representatives have asked?

Oh, the irony of those that are unable to think for themselves is thick when it comes to similar scenarios when they are on the opposite end.
 

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the symbiotic relationship that illegal aliens have with our businesses and politicians is of and by itself practically indestructable.

thanks to mr. reagan's amnesty program back in the '80's, it all but sealed the deal.

now, along with the hope that mr. bush will soon provide another amnesty deal similar to reagan's to keep businesses flush with cheap labor, the dem leadership's wishes for the many new dem voters that they and mr. bush's policies will create and the fact that our borders are still as wide open as politically possible, the rush is on by illegals crossing the borders to get in as soon as possible before the political climate changes, thus creating a surge.

the more calls there are to stop the flow of illegals the bigger the surge becomes because the illegals want to exploit the current situation before it changes.

the mexican government promotes this situation because of all the millions of dollars their illegal emigrants are sending back to them. big business is happily rolling along with the bumper crop of potential hires, the president is happy because big business is happy, the dem leadership is happy that all these illegals will be dem voters one day and/or scared stiff that they won't.

the longer the illegals stay and integrate (and yes, many do assimilate), the more they are tolerated and accepted by those who wouldn't otherwise. thus making it appear that they are too enmeshed within the fabric of our society to the point that it would be inhumane to oust them.

so what's a fella to do?

*edit* - notice how this topic is being avoided like the plague by our dem and repub pres. candidates?
 

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Originally posted by: tweaker2
the symbiotic relationship that illegal aliens have with our businesses and politicians is of and by itself practically indestructable.

thanks to mr. reagan's amnesty program back in the '80's, it all but sealed the deal.

now, along with the hope that mr. bush will soon provide another amnesty deal similar to reagan's to keep businesses flush with cheap labor, the dem leadership's wishes for the many new dem voters that they and mr. bush's policies will create and the fact that our borders are still as wide open as politically possible, the rush is on by illegals crossing the borders to get in as soon as possible before the political climate changes, thus creating a surge.

the more calls there are to stop the flow of illegals the bigger the surge becomes because the illegals want to exploit the current situation before it changes.

the mexican government promotes this situation because of all the millions of dollars their illegal emigrants are sending back to them. big business is happily rolling along with the bumper crop of potential hires, the president is happy because big business is happy, the dem leadership is happy that all these illegals will be dem voters one day and/or scared stiff that they won't.

the longer the illegals stay and integrate (and yes, many do assimilate), the more they are tolerated and accepted by those who wouldn't otherwise. thus making it appear that they are too enmeshed within the fabric of our society to the point that it would be inhumane to oust them.

so what's a fella to do?

When the economy goes south and jobs get scarce, the legal residents of this country are going to chase them out because they need/want their jobs.
 

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Oh! The irony for those who only have safety, law and order BECAUSE of the laws and regulations of the United States (backed by force if need be) that allow the police to keep them safe wanting to disregard the law to save 20 bucks per month on groceries, and spend the same on increased taxes for supporting illegals. How odd to me that those same people want to disregard common sense and support criminal activities that lead to deterioration of the quality of life that they and the immigrants are craving in the first place.

Low-skill, low education workers are worsening the rich-poor ratio leading to the loss of middle class. What the United States NEEDS is and influx of middle-class Joes, not manual laborers....and criminal ones at that.

Illegal=criminal. Unless you are an applicant for Asylum. You have no legal rights to be in a country outside of your country of birth. There are fewer than a handful of Asylees from Mexico at any given time. My guess is fewer than three or four per year.
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm wondering what America would like like today if the Mexicans, Apaches, Navajoes, Cherokees, Seminoles, etc. would have had enforced stricter immigration laws and policies?
It would be a welcome change to see them attempt to take back the land by force. Instead, they are simply trying to breed us out of the SW states... and people like you defend their right to do so.

The good news is that people from every part of the political spectrum are sick of the illegal immigration situation.

AFAIC, they should be deported and sent to the back of the line to enter legally. Once the exact same people are here legally, they deserve every right and freedom America has to offer. Until then, they are foreign criminals...
 

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Schools draw Federal $$ based on the number of students, not their color.

The schools also hire staff based on the students enrolled, not their color.

Where the ratio of illegals is minimal the impact is small. For towns that are supported by illegals, the impact of wasted $$ becomes large.

For schools:
Staff has to be fired/let go, improvements based on anticipated Fed $$ get postponed.

For businesses:
Loss of customers impacts their bottom line, potentially letting go legal workers with a ripple effect throughout the community.
 

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I'm wondering what America would like like today if the Mexicans, Apaches, Navajoes, Cherokees, Seminoles, etc. would have had enforced stricter immigration laws and policies?
It would be a welcome change to see them attempt to take back the land by force. Instead, they are simply trying to breed us out of the SW states... and people like you defend their right to do so.

The good news is that people from every part of the political spectrum are sick of the illegal immigration situation.

AFAIC, they should be deported and sent to the back of the line to enter legally. Once the exact same people are here legally, they deserve every right and freedom America has to offer. Until then, they are foreign criminals...

See, this is the mindset of those that are unable to apply critical thinking skills to themselves.

You, being military, have bought into the story that there has to be an enemy so that you can justify your existence. This is simply not true. You can work towards making the planet a better place by helping to bring the inhabitants together instead of trying to tear them apart in some symbolic "us vs. them" antiquated thought process.

I am constantly amazed that "conservatives" and "liberals" alike claim to want government out of their business, their pockets and their lives and yet cannot see that their own philosophies on existence and what would be a great life are completely dependent on the opposite.

We cannot be truly free as a society or race (human kind not any "color spectrum" kind) until we admonish the concept of nations and borders. As long as we have them, we will have to have "leaders" to implement laws to "protect" them at our own expense.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating total chaos and/or anarchy. I believe that your rights are not greater than anyone else's rights and should not infringe on them (ie. no murder, theft, etc.)
 

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
We cannot be truly free as a society or race (human kind not any "color spectrum" kind) until we admonish the concept of nations and borders. As long as we have them, we will have to have "leaders" to implement laws to "protect" them at our own expense.

Disclaimer: I am not advocating total chaos and/or anarchy. I believe that your rights are not greater than anyone else's rights and should not infringe on them (ie. no murder, theft, etc.)

Once you remove the concept of nations, then that concept can be expanded to the concept of any community.

Destroy the common element and you will have chaos.
Human nature is to bond into common groups.
If there is an invader that desires something of yours, you should be able to repel/prevent the situation.
And logically, if you belong to a common group, you should defend the common area and possible share the responsibliy of protecting the belongings of the members of the group.