ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT POLL

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Zebo

How do we help Mexico not suck? I

Redistribution of wealth of course. Some people call it "empowerment" but all that means is redistribution of something. Even a small business or FHA loan is redistribution. Mexico has plenty of Billionaires and most mired in poverty. Why?

Because here's how the real world works as proven time again thoughout history even here in the USA in the robber barren era and the 1930's again and about to be proven again. Unregulated capitalism moves wealth from the labor that creates it to the owners who accumulate it. A fair "original distribution" would divide the profit between the labor that produces it, and the ownership that organizes and manages the operation. If that is how it actually worked everything would be great. right!

But that's not how it works. When dealing with a landless and destitute workforce, owners tend to get it all by thier control of capital. And thier control of capital enables them to control politics, slash benefits, pay subsistance wages and eventually you have a work force fighting for staving wages because there's more workers than capital. You get what we had in the early 1930's and Mexico has today, namely a depression economy, where demand has disappeared down the toilet of economic collapse. Owners have succeeded in "getting it all" and no one is employed. Like mexico.

Thus in any economy where one side of the equation reaps all of the surplus of labor, and the other side is left with barely enough to get by, the trajectory is toward a world where almost all of a society's productive assets are controlled by a small elite who then work to make sure that things stay just the way they are. What you get is fabulous wealth on the one hand, and destitution and misery on the other. You get economic stagnation and political repression because for wealthy elites in such a lobsided economy, they have no where to go but down.

The way to fix this is to establish mechanisms to move wealth from the top back to the bottom. One simple way to do that is labor unions. The other simple solution is progressive taxation. Lo and behold, our modestly unionized, progressively taxed economy from the end of the war into the mid-1970's was just amazingly prosperous almost to the bottom of society. Lo and behold, every richest country has capitalism with strong socialistic undertones.

I enjoyed reading that...does Mexico have a significantly less socialist system and/or lacking in much of the way of progressive taxation?

All I'm saying is you need balance similar to what we have..

Mexico has none of the things we take for granted in this country and the extreme liabertarians what to take us back to. No SS, No capital gains tax, no public school funding to speak of, no social safty net, no government subsidized loan programs like FHA or SBA, no rural electricfication, no National Labor Relations Act, no Fair Labor Standards Act, etc etc etc which american feel everyday whether they relise it or not. Remeber we used to kill labor organizers too.

And a small group of Spanish families own all the oil fields and banks. Here is thier tax policy.http://www.solutionsabroad.com/d_mexicantaxlaw.asp

Notice all the taxes are primarly on workers little on capital. All these taxes like VAT, income hit the working class disproportionatly so. While the capital class (those who don't work but own) pay little while reaping tremendous profit on thier proletariat/uneducated work force.

 

[Svnla]

As a Legal Immigrant, I have to say we need to do a better job of control the flow of illegal immigrants. Last time I check the dictionary, Illegal = bad, not ok.

We need to spend more money on our southern border, more guards, more fences. If anyone want to come, they will have to follow the process. The ones with high priority are the one with skills or capital to invest in the U.S.

 

[kile22]

Hell at least when they come to the U.S. they work, unlike some the lazy asses that live here legally

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PanzerIV
No. There are a lot of US born worthless POS that should be deported before they are. At least these kids have potential.

Nope. Illegals should get deported before our own. Then we completely close our boarders for a while. Then we should tell other countries to fvcking buzz off and fix their own damn problems instead of asking us for help. Then we need to fire everyone in Washington who's actually willing to help other countries instead of taking that much-needed aid and funding and fix our own country first and replace them with people who will do so. Then we continue to better our own country FIRST. We need to fix the educational system first. Teach educational spenders to properly budget and do away with fvcktarded programs.

THEN we consider new citizenships while still deporting those who enter illegally.

Good way to completely destroy America's technological superiority in the world :thumbsdown:

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: kile22
Hell at least when they come to the U.S. they work, unlike some the lazy asses that live here legally

That's pretty much my attitude. :thumbsup:

I can't help but wonder if race and culture does'nt play a huge factor here. If they were all germans or english coming would people care? You never know but I think less at least.

PS: I've never heard of anyone say a peep about the 1 million white south african flight to USA over the last ten years.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: PanzerIV
No. There are a lot of US born worthless POS that should be deported before they are. At least these kids have potential.

Word.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: kile22
Hell at least when they come to the U.S. they work, unlike some the lazy asses that live here legally

That's pretty much my attitude. :thumbsup:

I can't help but wonder if race and culture does'nt play a huge factor here. If they were all germans or english coming would people care? You never know but I think less at least.

PS: I've never heard of anyone say a peep about the 1 million white south african flight to USA over the last ten years.

Quite often here on these forums I see people complaining about Mexican flags on cars along with other nationalities at times. However, nobody ever complains about people with Irish, Italian, etc. flags that I see very often. I guess some people feel threatened by different looking people.

Ultimately illegal immigration should be stopped - but if it is stopped it should result in a massive increase in legal immigration.

 

[Zebo]

Quite often here on these forums I see people complaining about Mexican flags on cars along with other nationalities at times. However, nobody ever complains about people with Irish, Italian, etc. flags that I see very often.

Interesting observation. Or the german flag or just D letter on the back of cars... me too. some people need intropection to see what thier true modivations are. Or just be a man about it and be openly racist.

 

[JImmyK]

The recursive cycle of history is so ironic. This is probably what the native indians said when all of our asses came over. I still cant believe we celebrate Christopher Columbus day, friggin idiot thought it was India.

 

[kile22]

everyone deserves a shot a decent life. it doesn't matter what friggin' country your from. why should you be forced to stay somewhere that your being repressed or unable to unprove your life.
just my opinion.

 

[bolido2000]

Anyhow, deporting is a total waste of money, in reality, because they'll come back up. The way to fix this is to limit the attraction of illegals to the country. That's easy: start enforcing federal laws that are already on the books that say "do not employ illegals." i can find you scores of illegals being paid, but the authorities don't care. Go into any of these employers or construction sites and start levying fines against employers, and you'll see this problem fixed properly. Of course in the interim the illegals who are here will be attracted to nefarious sources of income (crime), but then that's the US' fault for waiting so long before not allowing them in. So, then another alternative is to have REAL border security. Currently it's just a facade.

I'm pretty sure is illegal for a cop to pull over and check if someone walking down the street is in this country legally or not. They were doing some raids at LAX and busted hundreds of illegal workers all day. These workers started organizing protest outside of the airport saying that the cops were racist and anti-latino. There are many civil liberties organizations that will defend these illegal inmigrants and taking on the issue head on is pretty much a political suicide. I think the US took to long to deal with this problem. I don't see any solution to the inmigration mess.