Illegal Aliens . . .

CaptnKirk

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Despite Illegal Status, Buyers Get Home Loans

Fits well with Conjur's Housing becoming unaffordable thread

So - if you're an Illegal worker, there are Home Lending Companies, and Realtor's
that work with you to keep 'Legal Residents' from being able to afford a house ?
But they make millions of dollars in profit in the process.

Way down in the atricle I like this quote: "Another prospective buyer, was pre-approved for a $200,000 loan after taking a class sponsored by ACORN"

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Each week, Pedro Morlet knocks on doors in the Bay Area, looking for illegal immigrants.

Morlet isn't an immigration agent. He's a real estate agent, and he's scouting for business.

"Do you want a house, work and pay taxes but don't have a Social Security number?" reads his flier, written in Spanish and tailored to his potential customers. "We can help you LEGALLY!"

Across the country, particularly in Texas and parts of the Midwest, hundreds of illegal immigrants have bought homes using special lending programs that bypass the need for a Social Security number. Now, with backing from some of the country's largest financial institutions, this newest effort to tap customers for the real estate market is moving to the nation's largest concentration of illegal immigrants ? California.

As buyers begin to queue up, real estate is becoming the latest arena to highlight the often-bizarre contradictions of American immigration policy.

Advocates of tighter controls on immigration oppose the idea of illegal residents buying homes here. Lending money to illegal immigrants encourages others to cross the border, they say.

"They have no right to own property in the United States because they have no right to be here in the first place," said Diana Hull, president of Californians for Population Stabilization.

Legally, that's not quite true. Unlike some countries ? Mexico, for example ? the United States generally does not restrict foreign citizens from buying real estate.

But for years, because qualifying for a mortgage required a Social Security number, the only way for an illegal immigrant to do so was by using a false number. In addition, such immigrants often were rejected or overlooked by legitimate lenders, leaving them vulnerable to fraud.

Lenders have a powerful incentive to find ways to get around those barriers: tens of thousands of potential customers. The National Assn. of Hispanic Real Estate Professionals estimates that more than 216,000 undocumented immigrants, including many who have been in the country for decades, could buy homes if they had better access to the market.

Despite their undocumented status, many prospective buyers earn steady incomes, face little risk of deportation and are desperate to become homeowners. Their purchases would amount to millions of dollars in mortgages.

"You have gainfully employed people who have been stuffing money in the mattress for a long time," said Mary Mancera, spokeswoman for the association. "There are quite a few who have been working and saving money and raising kids and going about their lives and want to achieve that next step, but haven't been able to because of the barriers."

Silvia Avalos, a hairstylist, and her husband, Jose Luis Avalos, a busboy, are among the people Mancera is talking about. They were tired of spending their money on rent each month but didn't want to use fake Social Security numbers to buy a home.

After friends told them they could buy legally, they found a two-bedroom condo northeast of San Francisco for $280,000. They moved in as soon as escrow closed.

"We saw it as an investment," Silvia Avalos said. "While you are here, you have somewhere to live that is yours. And if you return home [to Mexico], you can sell it."

Another prospective buyer, Aaron Sanchez, was pre-approved for a $200,000 loan after taking a class sponsored by ACORN, an advocacy group for the poor, on how to make offers and apply for mortgages. The 32-year-old illegal immigrant from Oaxaca, Mexico, has worked at the same furniture company in the San Gabriel Valley for 14 years. He wants each of his two children to have a room. It is a luxury, he knows, that will be hard to afford.

"I think I can find a house," Sanchez said, "but a small house."

The opportunity to get people like the Avalos and Sanchez families into the market begins with the IRS, which is happy to collect peoples' taxes, regardless of their immigration status.

Nearly a decade ago, the IRS began giving out Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers so people without Social Security numbers could pay taxes. Since then, more than 8 million applicants have received numbers, and about 2 million are used annually on tax returns.

The IRS knows illegal immigrants are using the numbers to get mortgages.

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dphantom

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Can't blame the realtor for trying to make money. The underlying problem is immigration and how we control our borders. Mexico has to take an active stance but Mexico is a great facilitator of moving its peopleacross the border illegally. They do not even admit illegal immigrants are illegal at all.

Short of an "iron curtain" I just do not know how to solve this problem. And am not advocating any iron curtain here.
 

dmcowen674

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cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Well, when I mention this I get labeled as a racist and that none of this is happening and I have no proof yet I personally witnessed 20 illegals piled up into homes where I used to live and it forced me out of there.

Amazing how now that the news is picking up on this the Elitists in here give it credence.

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dphantom

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Well, when I mention this I get labeled as a racist and that none of this is happening and I have no proof yet I personally witnessed 20 illegals piled up into homes where I used to live and it forced me out of there.

Amazing how now that the news is picking up on this the Elitists in here give it credence.


How do we discuss a real serious problem (IMO) without being labeled racist. I want lots of people to immigrate to America - I personally think this is the greatest place on Earth. But I want it done legally and it seems that if one talks about stopping illegal immigration, not allowing health, school, housing, SSN or any other benefits, oen is automatically labeled rascist.

Hard to debate with someone like that.
 

sourceninja

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I am ok with people outside of this country buying land and goods in the US. I am even partially ok with illegal workers who have taxes taken out of their paychecks. I am not ok with illegal workers who ship their money out of the country, use our welfare/medicaid system, and work for lower then minimum wage. It is those things which hurt this nation.
 

r6ashih

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Since when did you have to be a US citizen to buy real estate in california??? or any state for that matter.


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Amplifier

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Originally posted by: r6ashih
Since when did you have to be a US citizen to buy real estate in california??? or any state for that matter.


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Agreed. And until we start deporting people on welfare, I say let the immigrants stay.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Amplifier
Originally posted by: r6ashih
Since when did you have to be a US citizen to buy real estate in california??? or any state for that matter.


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Agreed. And until we start deporting people on welfare, I say let the immigrants stay.

Legal Immigrants are fine. ILLEGAL immigrants are not. The post is about illegal immigrants.

There is a distinction.
 

wkinney

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can OPer please fix the title, its hard to discuss a heavy topic like illegal immigrants when you spell it wrong.
 

MisterCornell

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Can't blame the realtor for trying to make money. The underlying problem is immigration and how we control our borders. Mexico has to take an active stance but Mexico is a great facilitator of moving its peopleacross the border illegally. They do not even admit illegal immigrants are illegal at all.

Short of an "iron curtain" I just do not know how to solve this problem. And am not advocating any iron curtain here.

It's not Mexico's responsibility to control its citizens from leaving. It's squarely the responsibility of the U.S. gov't to keep those who don't belong here out, but for various political reasons, the U.S. does little to police the Southern border. GWB won't fence it for fear of being called a racist. And the Democrats like all the Mexicans coming in, because when they or their kids vote (eventually), they will likely vote Democrat.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: MisterCornell
And the Democrats like all the Mexicans coming in, because when they or their kids vote (eventually), they will likely vote Democrat.

i'm not so sure that's how they'll vote....
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: wkinney
can OPer please fix the title, its hard to discuss a heavy topic like illegal immigrants when you spell it wrong.

What ? you got a problem with 'Illigal'

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dphantom

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Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Originally posted by: dphantom
Can't blame the realtor for trying to make money. The underlying problem is immigration and how we control our borders. Mexico has to take an active stance but Mexico is a great facilitator of moving its peopleacross the border illegally. They do not even admit illegal immigrants are illegal at all.

Short of an "iron curtain" I just do not know how to solve this problem. And am not advocating any iron curtain here.

It's not Mexico's responsibility to control its citizens from leaving. It's squarely the responsibility of the U.S. gov't to keep those who don't belong here out, but for various political reasons, the U.S. does little to police the Southern border. GWB won't fence it for fear of being called a racist. And the Democrats like all the Mexicans coming in, because when they or their kids vote (eventually), they will likely vote Democrat.

I agree it is our responsibility, but Mexico also has to take a role in helping the US by not providing maps and desert survival information or any other way they are helping thier citizens. In one respect, that kind a of assistance could be tantamount to an invasion of a soveriegn countires territory.

This is one of my disagreements with this administration. I think a much firmer stance must be taken on this problem.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Originally posted by: dphantom
Can't blame the realtor for trying to make money. The underlying problem is immigration and how we control our borders. Mexico has to take an active stance but Mexico is a great facilitator of moving its peopleacross the border illegally. They do not even admit illegal immigrants are illegal at all.

Short of an "iron curtain" I just do not know how to solve this problem. And am not advocating any iron curtain here.
It's not Mexico's responsibility to control its citizens from leaving. It's squarely the responsibility of the U.S. gov't to keep those who don't belong here out, but for various political reasons, the U.S. does little to police the Southern border. GWB won't fence it for fear of being called a racist. And the Democrats like all the Mexicans coming in, because when they or their kids vote (eventually), they will likely vote Democrat.
Isn't the biggest problem now with South Americans coming through Mexico to get to the U.S.?
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Amplifier
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Amplifier
I don't want the Mexicans in Baltimore to leave even if they are illegal.

Why???

Great workers for contractors, which keeps prices nice and low.

So you support exploiting illegal labor at wages below market just so you can save a buck?

The 2004 metro area unemployment for Baltimore was 7.9% and for the County, just 4.3%. Why can't you hire the many unemployed from Baltimore city?

Baltimore Unemployment 2004
 

Todd33

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GWB won't fence it for fear of being called a racist. And the Democrats like all the Mexicans coming in, because when they or their kids vote (eventually), they will likely vote Democrat.

That's not entirely true. Neither party will do anything for multiple reasons. Republican's like cheap labor, the corp sponsors don't want it fixed and they think they are getting a new socially conservative voting block. Democrats won't touch it for historical voting reasons (labor) . They are also the big tent party, they leave racism for the white Christian Republicans. ;)
 

Amplifier

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Amplifier
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Amplifier
I don't want the Mexicans in Baltimore to leave even if they are illegal.

Why???

Great workers for contractors, which keeps prices nice and low.

So you support exploiting illegal labor at wages below market just so you can save a buck?

The 2004 metro area unemployment for Baltimore was 7.9% and for the County, just 4.3%. Why can't you hire the many unemployed from Baltimore city?

Baltimore Unemployment 2004

You aren't from Baltimore are you ;).
 

TGS

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

"Do you want a house, work and pay taxes but don't have a Social Security number?" reads his flier, written in Spanish and tailored to his potential customers. "We can help you LEGALLY!"


Damn skippy. If they are working and paying taxes. Bring *THEM* on. Our border system stinks, and people are willing to work, pay taxes, and buy their own homes. Dear god can we get more americans to pursue this line of thinking..?


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Originally posted by: Amplifier
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Amplifier
I don't want the Mexicans in Baltimore to leave even if they are illegal.

Why???

Great workers for contractors, which keeps prices nice and low.

Pure garbage. Most of the time these people are under paid. This is where jobs are lost to illegals, whom most likely will be paid in untaxed wages.
 

Amplifier

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When we don't report wages for a worker we end up having to pay the taxes through our increased revenue. While we do get out of paying Social Security none of those people are eligable anyway.
 

OFFascist

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Originally posted by: dphantom
So you support exploiting illegal labor at wages below market just so you can save a buck?

Wow that a nice comment full of BS.

Unless its factual slavery, someone offering labor of thier own free will should not and is not illegal.

As for the "below market" value, that is BS too. If someone is willing to work for that pay then by that very act means that it is withing the market. If someone wasnt willing to work for that price then it would be below market value.

Minimum wage, is government intrusion on the free market, it seeks to artificually raise the market price.

But you cannot stop the free market, government intrusion or not.
 

OFFascist

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Originally posted by: Amplifier
When we don't report wages for a worker we end up having to pay the taxes through our increased revenue. While we do get out of paying Social Security none of those people are eligable anyway.

Or you could use a sales tax instead of an income tax.

Texas has no state income tax.

As for the loss of federal income tax, people who dont make over a certain ammount of money annually end up not paying federal income tax anyways.