Illegal Aliens... Simply Amazing

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ever notice "illegal immigration" became a problem as soon as it was brown immigration? For hundreds of years europeans came here unresricted..hell my parents came in the early 60's and applied for everything while here and got it all. Seems to have changed shortly after that when the brown and yellow man cometh.

well, are asians brown? we got restricted long before mexicans became a problem

and its not entirely true. people like the irish weren't considered much better then brown people. they had higher quotas then asians, but they certainly weren't unlimited. and they had to actually pass through the brutal immigration system.

I included yellow too. Your right they were a problem too. I'm from Ca and know all about china town and it's history.

When did the quotas start for whites? And Irish, italians have always been discriminated against by WASPs/

 

[0roo0roo]

ah, yes, i don't think asians got citizen rights until far after blacks sadly.

not sure when the quotas started, but i know they were tweaked to screw asians they feared the yellow plague or whatever creative sh*t they called it. mexicans were atleast catholic

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ever notice "illegal immigration" became a problem as soon as it was brown immigration? For hundreds of years europeans came here unresricted..hell my parents came in the early 60's and applied for everything while here and got it all. Seems to have changed shortly after that when the brown and yellow man cometh.

well, are asians brown? we got restricted long before mexicans became a problem

and its not entirely true. people like the irish weren't considered much better then brown people. they had higher quotas then asians, but they certainly weren't unlimited. and they had to actually pass through the brutal immigration system.

Who didn't see Gangs of New York?:Q Get off the boat, sign up for the war.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ah, yes, i don't think asians got citizen rights until far after blacks sadly.

not sure when the quotas started, but i know they were tweaked to screw asians they feared the yellow plague or whatever creative sh*t they called it. mexicans were atleast catholic

There were quotas for chineese since the 19th century I'm sure about that. WASPs were Overtly racist back then remember. But I also heard from my dad that overall quotas (ie individual country) were started shortly after they arrived in 63'. of course this is done to have the appearance of fairness but more importantly it keeps out those of color though so-called impartial numerical values. Of course I've never heard of a WASP having immigration troubles. Have you?

 

[maluckey]

I have to say that many are a little off-base here. INS is run by an overwhelmingly high number of ethnic minorities. Out of 75 officers in my former POE where I worked as an Inspector for the INS, 8 were WASPS, one was Black, two Asians, and the rest Hispanic. We had a high number of WASPS on-board compared to other POE's. INS is not pro immigration of WASPS versus any other group. IN fact, the vast overwhelming majority of legal residents in this country are form Mexico. Look up the facts.

To insinuate that INS is anti-immigrant is absurd. If anything, they are far too lax. They might have given out the I-130 packets to every person crossing the border if given half a chance. It's one of the reasons that I left. Indiscriminate admissions policies, and virtually no enforced jail time for any felony conviction is teaching the criminal element that if you get caught, you try again tomorrow.

As far a paying taxes, Illegals do not pay Income taxes, Property Tax, or State Tax. They are medically uninsured, and without drivers licenses in most states. This is a fact, because without a valid Social Security card, they cannot pay these taxes, or gain insurance. Non-US born persons must prove to the Social Security Administration that they have INS work permission before they can get a number. So it follows that without a SSN, they pay no taxes, and cannot legally secure any employment, or insurance. In some states, they do not qualify for admission as an in-state resident for tuition either. In any case, the immigrant in question did not have permission to attend the university (F-1) and likely lied on the university application and feloniously asserted that she was a US Citizen (18 USC 911). This is a separate charge to 8 USC 1182(A)(ii) (Intended Immigrant), that she was the moment she entered the country.

If she is caught by INS, she is likely to not do a single day in jail, nor pay a dollar in fines. She most likely would be charged under 8 USC 1182(A)(ii), walked across the border and forgotten. She would be barred from re-entry for five years, after which time she would be eligible to petition to re-apply for entry. Nobody would do the reasearch to find if she claimed US Citizenship at the University, as there are thousands of other illegals waiting to be processed.

 

[Gaard]

A few years back I was talking to an illegal who told me all it took was a drive down to Chicago and $20 to get a fake SS card. Once he had the card it was a simple matter to get a 'legit' job.

Has anyone ever thought of this (maluckey, you work for INS, maybe you can shed some light)...

I worked for over a decade at a plant that was largely illegal aliens (company knew and during my time they were heavily fined a couple of times). Every one of these people had taxes taken out of their paychecks. Not one of them filed at the end of the year (obviously). So, all the unclaimed refunds add up to a large surplus, correct?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Gaard
A few years back I was talking to an illegal who told me all it took was a drive down to Chicago and $20 to get a fake SS card. Once he had the card it was a simple matter to get a 'legit' job.

Has anyone ever thought of this (maluckey, you work for INS, maybe you can shed some light)...

I worked for over a decade at a plant that was largely illegal aliens (company knew and during my time they were heavily fined a couple of times). Every one of these people had taxes taken out of their paychecks. Not one of them filed at the end of the year (obviously). So, all the unclaimed refunds add up to a large surplus, correct?

Thats right gaard. I know several illegals who own homes right now they gop to my church so I doubt murakey is giving the full story. Going rate is $200 for a fake but unused number for the card according to them. After which you can indeed do amost everything until the I-9 comes back which takes a awhile if at all sometimes.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard
A few years back I was talking to an illegal who told me all it took was a drive down to Chicago and $20 to get a fake SS card. Once he had the card it was a simple matter to get a 'legit' job.

Has anyone ever thought of this (maluckey, you work for INS, maybe you can shed some light)...

I worked for over a decade at a plant that was largely illegal aliens (company knew and during my time they were heavily fined a couple of times). Every one of these people had taxes taken out of their paychecks. Not one of them filed at the end of the year (obviously). So, all the unclaimed refunds add up to a large surplus, correct?

True but do you not think they claim "0" exemptions? I think not Been there...heard that. A town I used to live in - had a Pretty good sized pork/beef processing company owned by a freind of mine's dad. She worked in the office...I've heard the stories. Yes - these people have been hit repeatedly for immigration violations - it doesn't matter though - the people come back with a different name and SS a couple weeks after they are dumped on the other side of the fence. Pretty sad really. I know of a couple immigrants who went throught the "trouble" to get a work visa("working ticket" is what they called it) - they said it wasn't really that difficult of a process.

CkG

 

[Gaard]

I know. It cracked me up one day a guy came into work and I said "Hey! Haven't seen you in a while Fernando. How are you?" He responded in a whisper "Ssssh, my name is Juan."

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard
I know. It cracked me up one day a guy came into work and I said "Hey! Haven't seen you in a while Fernando. How are you?" He responded in a whisper "Ssssh, my name is Juan."

CkG

 

[maluckey]

OK, I wasn't telling the entire story.......

Fake SSN's don't register with IRS, and will single you out as illegal in a heartbeat. The process is simple. Steal a real one and use it until caught. Then get another one, and so on. They are fairly easy to buy if you know how. The going rate about five years ago was between 500 to 800 dollars, complete with birth certificate to match.

Owning a home requires that you have a valid SSN as well, to get the loan. Once again, a stolen SSN will get you one, but eventually you will get caught. You then sell the house to yourself (under a new name), and live happily ever after etc. we busted a guy that did this three times!

One thing that many illegals do to avoid all of the unpleasantries of stealing a SS card, is to lie on a sworn statement to obtain a delayed birth certificate. It costs between 50 dollars and 100 dollars to file one, and all you need is another person "familiar with the facts of the birth" to lie for you as well. POOF! Instant US citizen!! It was commonplace to catch such people in the Rio Grande Valley (Texas) doing just that. Forged birth certificates can get you a SSN as well, but are fairly easy for the Inspectors to catch. Impostors are harder, but more sucessful in the long run. There are other methods that are even harder to catch, but I feel compelled to not share them on a public forum.

CADkindaGUY is dead on about the name changing. It's because they got caught, and need a new identity.

 

[Zebo]

What do you mean by stolen ss#? And From whom? Another legitamite spanish surnamed person? And dead person?Seems you'd immediatly be caught once any credit was run or appied for a job since a man can't be two places at once, hold two jobs at once nor would the victim of theft stand by and let his credit be compromised.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yup amazing. They should just invade and kill off the local population for their own good like we did.

Um, genius, they DID. http://www.MEXICAN-HISTORY.com

And then they screwed it up...tough luck.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yup amazing. They should just invade and kill off the local population for their own good like we did.

Um, genius, they DID. http://www.MEXICAN-HISTORY.com

And then they screwed it up...tough luck.

You mean screwed up like your link? Edit: You mean screwed up like your link, Genius?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yup amazing. They should just invade and kill off the local population for their own good like we did.

Um, genius, they DID. http://www.MEXICAN-HISTORY.com

And then they screwed it up...tough luck.

You mean screwed up like your link? Edit: You mean screwed up like your link, Genius?

There is no link, perceptive one, the title of the link is the point. It's clever...just ponder on it for a few days.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yup amazing. They should just invade and kill off the local population for their own good like we did.

Um, genius, they DID. http://www.MEXICAN-HISTORY.com

And then they screwed it up...tough luck.

You mean screwed up like your link? Edit: You mean screwed up like your link, Genius?

LOL Owned genius.

There are other methods that are even harder to catch, but I feel compelled to not share them on a public forum.

I can appeciate that however I'm sure they are even one step ahead of what you know and have seen. You know what they say about crimminals

 

[Rmex]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yup amazing. They should just invade and kill off the local population for their own good like we did.

Um, genius, they DID. http://www.MEXICAN-HISTORY.com

And then they screwed it up...tough luck.

You mean that handful of Spanish that landed in mexico back in 1521 ? Lol, maybe 1 or 2% of the population is truly descended from spanish. Most of us are descended from Olmecs,Toltecs and aztecs so unlike you white people, we actually have a legitimate claim to live in america since to alot of us[mexicans], this is where our ancestors lived befored you forced them out of thier land and into mexico.

oh and heres a link that works.


link

 

[maluckey]

The big problem with Federal Law enforcement is that we normally catch the dumb ones! The smart ones quit when successfull! I just didn't want to encourage the dumb ones and make it harder on the guys still working The Border.

Zebo, you don't need to have a Hispanic Surname SS card. My wife's name on the SS card (she's Hispanic) is French Surnamed (she's married to me, and I'm French).

I'm good, very good at reading people when I talk to them face to face, but I have never met anyone that can with certainty name where someone was born, or what their fathers last name is. Can anyone except Cleo (Ha Ha)?

 

[SnowyEnigma]

The problem the act is trying to address is to people like me. I've been living here since the age of 5 because MY PARENTS made the mistake of imigrating here illegaly. What would happen if I had to move back to brazil? I know how to speak portuguese because my parents still speak it around the house, but I don't know how to write/read. I couldn't go to school there because of that, and my life would get totally screwed because I know nothing of brazil. I have a future here, I have plans here, in brazil I do not. Do you determine a person's home based on where they were born or where they grew up? Thankfully we have relatives living here taht are legal, though it will take a long time to get citizenship. But what about the kids that don't have legal relatives, or no relatives at all living in the country? Do you just send them back to where they were born depriving them of thier home? I support the bill because It would help people here who actually want to contribute someting. And the primary way to contribute is to pay. My parent's pay income taxes, state taxes etc, but no SS. Luckuly they are self-emplloyed but because we aren't totally legal, we can't buy a home, and do otherthings I have no idea about, but would benifit us, and the country. I have no SS, I want to get a job, but I can't. I want to go to college, then get a job, I won't be able to, I'll only have a future if our plans work out. What if they don't? America would just waste another potentially worthy citizen...

 

[SnowyEnigma]

Also I don't supposed general amnisty, because there are plenty of people just "mooching" off of the country. But the laws now, are bad for the people trying to make a lagit living and for the moochers, why should I have to suffer for my mother's mistake?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: maluckey
The big problem with Federal Law enforcement is that we normally catch the dumb ones! The smart ones quit when successfull! I just didn't want to encourage the dumb ones and make it harder on the guys still working The Border.

Zebo, you don't need to have a Hispanic Surname SS card. My wife's name on the SS card (she's Hispanic) is French Surnamed (she's married to me, and I'm French).

I'm good, very good at reading people when I talk to them face to face, but I have never met anyone that can with certainty name where someone was born, or what their fathers last name is. Can anyone except Cleo (Ha Ha)?

So what's the theory behind keeping all these people out? I mean most people seem to be about free-trade why not for people? My parents came here from sweden a long time ago and had BS degrees and got green cards while they were here on visa. Not that way anymore. And do you conceed it's certainly possible for many of them to be paying taxes? As I said you buy even a gallon of gas half that is taxed both federally and state but I know they pay income too, and SS, and sales and propety even.. indirectly if they rent. I don't know seems to be borders should be wide open both ways all ways.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: maluckey
So, a criminal is worried that after committing an ongoing criminal act for some time now, and never paying any taxes to the state where she lives, is concerned about job prospects?

GO HOME! Reapply legally to do something worthwhile in this country, and she MAY get a job.

How do you know she not paying taxes? Does she have a job? She pays. Ever buy anything taxable? She pays. Pay rent or mortgage? she pays. As for crimminal that's just ridiculus there is no crime here its a immigration violation on not even on par with a misdomeanor traffic ticket as far as fines or time. Don't believe me? call INS on a illegal and see the response you get.

she is probobly working for cash under the table as most illegals do. as far as sales tax, that is the only point you really have rent is often made with the same arrangments. illegally imigrating not a crime not even on par with a traffic ticket?!?? people do not get deported for trafic tickets...i have personally seen the INS and local law enforcement arrest illegals for deportation.

Originally posted by: Zebo
There's not enough greencards for all the mexican that want to be here so you're naive idea about legally applying is a pipe dream. open the borders like with nafta but for people is the only fair way.

that is an immensely inane idea.

of course with tens of thousands of people streaming across the border unchecked i bet you would be one of the first people that gripe about the lack of security after the next terrorist attack, and the rise in unemployment due to the massive influx of people with no jobs.

of course if a republican is in office you could just blame it on him, which is exactly what the proponets of this idiocy would do.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ever notice "illegal immigration" became a problem as soon as it was brown immigration? For hundreds of years europeans came here unresricted..hell my parents came in the early 60's and applied for everything while here and got it all. Seems to have changed shortly after that when the brown and yellow man cometh.

ever notice the ever so worn out race card is played when it has absolutley nothing to do with the reality of the situation along with historically inaccurate "facts"? if your parents immigrated in the 60's they were under the quota system just like everyone else. BTW where did they immigrate from?

it is not a race issue, it is a proximity issue. it is much easier for a mexican to swim here across the rio than for a european to swim here across the atlantic.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ever notice "illegal immigration" became a problem as soon as it was brown immigration? For hundreds of years europeans came here unresricted..hell my parents came in the early 60's and applied for everything while here and got it all. Seems to have changed shortly after that when the brown and yellow man cometh.

Difference is there's an ocean between Europe and the US and boats/planes traveling between the two have to land at ports which can be monitored.

But nice try.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ever notice "illegal immigration" became a problem as soon as it was brown immigration? For hundreds of years europeans came here unresricted..hell my parents came in the early 60's and applied for everything while here and got it all. Seems to have changed shortly after that when the brown and yellow man cometh.

Difference is there's an ocean between Europe and the US and boats/planes traveling between the two have to land at ports which can be monitored.

But nice try.

So if they fly in from mexico you're happy?

ever notice the ever so worn out race card is played when it has absolutley nothing to do with the reality of the situation along with historically inaccurate "facts"? if your parents immigrated in the 60's they were under the quota system just like everyone else. BTW where did they immigrate from?

it is not a race issue, it is a proximity issue. it is much easier for a mexican to swim here across the rio than for a european to swim here across the atlantic.

Same question for you. Shadow.

And no they wer'nt under any quota. My dad says when they tried to get my moms sister the governement just started a quota so they would have to wait to do so, ultimatly no problem but still waiting. This was from sweden.