Illegal Alien/criminal sues San Francisco for not giving him sanctuary

[Hayabusa Rider]

The supremacy clause doesn't bind states to act or enforce. The only part of the Constitution that acts as a general binder is the 14th amendment in the incorporation doctrine.. If the supremacy clause acted as a binder we wouldn't need the incorporation doctrine at all.

Interesting. So even though the Constitution explicitly binds states to treaties, not really? Note "states" is mentioned, not just the federal government.

 

[ivwshane]

Why do folks blame the illegal alien instead of the lawyers who took the case?

I don't know maybe because the right to a trial is a constitutional right. Stupid constitution.

how about people blame businesses that hire illegals? It shouldn't be a surprise that when the economy tanked and the number of people losing their job was increasing that the numbers of illegals entering the country went down. Correlation? Nah, it's probably just stupid liberal policies or evil proggies./s

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I don't know maybe because the right to a trial is a constitutional right. Stupid constitution.

how about people blame businesses that hire illegals? It shouldn't be a surprise that when the economy tanked and the number of people losing their job was increasing that the numbers of illegals entering the country went down. Correlation? Nah, it's probably just stupid liberal policies or evil proggies./s

The constitution doesn't protect non citizens. There are way too many cases being heard that should have been dismissed out of hand. I agree there should ne stiffer penalties for businesses that hire illegals.

 

[ivwshane]

The constitution doesn't protect non citizens. There are way too many cases being heard that should have been dismissed out of hand. I agree there should ne stiffer penalties for businesses that hire illegals.

And you'd be wrong. You should read the constitution sometime. The 14th amendment might be of some interest.

 

[ivwshane]

Interesting. So even though the Constitution explicitly binds states to treaties, not really? Note "states" is mentioned, not just the federal government.

This might help.

https://www.asil.org/insights/volume/2/issue/5/international-agreements-and-us-law

 

[interchange]

The system breaks because the federal government's role is to prevent them from getting in to begin with. Hard problem to solve when you have dumb sh!t cities playing the role of enabler because reasons.

60℅ of illegal immigrants enter the us legally.

 

[ElFenix]

The constitution doesn't protect non citizens. There are way too many cases being heard that should have been dismissed out of hand. I agree there should ne stiffer penalties for businesses that hire illegals.

That's completely false. The 14th amendment specifically says "person," not "citizen"

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This might help.

https://www.asil.org/insights/volume/2/issue/5/international-agreements-and-us-law

Nice!
I'll read through it this evening.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That's completely false. The 14th amendment specifically says "person," not "citizen"

Only a bat shit crazy lawyer would interpret the US Constitution as applying to anyone but US citizens. Most likely the same ones who tried to get me to have international students sign loyalty oaths.

 

[fskimospy]

Only a bat shit crazy lawyer would interpret the US Constitution as applying to anyone but US citizens. Most likely the same ones who tried to get me to have international students sign loyalty oaths.

So to be clear you think non-citizens can be arrested and then improsoned or executed without trial? The Supreme Court seems to strongly disagree with you.

 

[interchange]

Only a bat shit crazy lawyer would interpret the US Constitution as applying to anyone but US citizens. Most likely the same ones who tried to get me to have international students sign loyalty oaths.

Do non-citizens not have rights to speech, due process, to not incriminate oneself, etc.? Hell, non citizens can even own firearms.

 

[ElFenix]

Interesting. So even though the Constitution explicitly binds states to treaties, not really? Note "states" is mentioned, not just the federal government.

I guess what you're asking is if the treaty power could be used to do something the Constitution prohibits (namely, forcing states to execute federal laws, thereby defeating federalism), and that may actually be an open question. There's been a couple recent cases on it in which the answer seems to be "no." But those have had interesting facts which seem to keep the question from being answered head on.

 

[fskimospy]

Freakin' hilarious from the guy who spins literally everything to mean exactly what he needs at the moment.

I think I've lost track of how many claims you've made about me that were comically false. Hell, even after you admit they are false you go back to saying them a few days later.

I guess that's why you're a fundamentally dishonest person.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

So to be clear you think non-citizens can be arrested and then improsoned or executed without trial? The Supreme Court seems to strongly disagree with you.

If they commit a crime, they should be prosecuted by our laws. HOWEVER, they do not get to bring suit against US citizens seeking redress for damages real or imaginary.

 

[ElFenix]

Only a bat shit crazy lawyer would interpret the US Constitution as applying to anyone but US citizens. Most likely the same ones who tried to get me to have international students sign loyalty oaths.

It's plain language. If they'd have meant citizens, they would have written citizens. They didn't. Only an illiterate chef would see the word "persons" and think they meant "citizens".

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Do non-citizens not have rights to speech, due process, to not incriminate oneself, etc.? Hell, non citizens can even own firearms.

No, they should not have the right to free speech, if arrested, they should have the right to due process and, the right to not incriminate themselves. They most certainly should not have the rigjt to own firearms.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

It's plain language. If they'd have meant citizens, they would have written citizens. They didn't.

Because our founding fathers didn't think they'd have to spell it out for bat shit crazy lawyers.

 

[glenn1]

Maybe the federal government shouldn't bother "helping" sanctuary cities enforce things like firearm controls, anti-terrorism, or tax laws.

 

[ElFenix]

Because our founding fathers didn't think they'd have to spell it out for bat shit crazy lawyers.

Which might be a reasonable (if stupid) argument if the word "citizen" wasn't used already in that exact same amendment.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Clearly, the people that drafted that amendment know the difference between person and citizen. Apparently illiterate burger flippers don't.

 

[ElFenix]

Maybe the federal government shouldn't bother "helping" sanctuary cities enforce things like firearm controls, anti-terrorism, or tax laws.

Other than anti-terrorism stuff I don't think the feds help much with your list anyway.

"Hold these prisoners in jail for an indefinite time period or we're going to stop giving you all this military surplus and you'll end up even more in the budgetary hole"

I bet that goes over real well.

 

[ivwshane]

Maybe the federal government shouldn't bother "helping" sanctuary cities enforce things like firearm controls, anti-terrorism, or tax laws.

Yeah that's certainly an option.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Which might be a reasonable (if stupid) argument if the word "citizen" wasn't used already in that exact same amendment.



Clearly, the people that drafted that amendment know the difference between person and citizen. Apparently illiterate burger flippers don't.

I never knew you were an illiterate burger flipper. It seems clear to me that the persons referred to referenced the citizens previously mentioned but then, I'm not a bat shit crazy lawyer.

 

[ivwshane]

I never knew you were an illiterate burger flipper. It seems clear to me that the persons referred to referenced the citizens previously mentioned but then, I'm not a bat shit crazy lawyer.

No you are not a lawyer but you are bat shit crazy.

 

[Starbuck1975]

60℅ of illegal immigrants enter the us legally.

Please elaborate

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

No you are not a lawyer but you are bat shit crazy.

I may be crazy but, bat shit crazy is reserved for lawyers and similar bottom feeders.