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Igor's "you should know about music" thread

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igor_kavinski said:
Maybe the name Igor conjures up nightmarish flashbacks from people's childhoods 😛
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DigDog said:
lets move on

Again in the early 90s i heavily got into techno. I have to explain that i .. well. Let me start again. Italy was one of the cradles of early electronic dance music. I'm not talking about Kraftwerk, but proper club-only, dance-oriented electronic music. Amsterdam, Detroit and Italy. What a weird combo.
Having had the luck to go to a very posh high school for rich kids, we had means beyond what most kids had in the 80s, and we were among the first of our generation to be exposed to this music; while i was not into it in any meaningful way (hard rock for me back then), my classmates were, and when we met again in the US for college, i swiftly picked it up.

And, we referred to everything as techno. "Techno" is the umbrella term that includes ALL of the italo dance scene, and anything that isn't stylistically italo dance, but follows the same musical rules. While then they would all have their own subgenre - and believe me, we looooved trying to classify everything - the word techno can sum them all up.
I am aware that "techno" was later meant to represent a particular style, but to us it's just a shortening of "technology", i.e. done with a roland 303 at its core.


Now .. i should be albe to easily state that heavy metal and techno are at the very polar opposites of each other and if you listen to one, you cannot listen to the other. Well, i do.

Techno meant to me as much as Breaking All The Rules or Where Is My Mind did. Like punk and metal, i find that techno - being made by people who had mostly zero education in music, was *wrong* and broke rules, thus contributing to that randomness-based creativity i was after. Many of the music that i loved is atrocious, and i loved it *because* it was atrocious - new, unpredictable, surprising.

Before i go and list a whole ton of songs, i need to explain two more things.
1. in the world of techno, you rarely if ever make an album; you cut a single, sometimes even ONE side of a record, with the other being blank. Thta's how music is made and how it's sold. Also, "remixing" - taking some elements (sounds, programming) of a song and re-issuing it as a completely different version - is acceptable, while in rock you try to create the "artistically perfect" version of a song.
2. i also love a ton of the cheesy commercial songs you already know about, so, C&C Music Factory, Rhythm Is A Dancer, What Is Love, etc. Consider those ought to be on this list, but they won't be. You don't need me to help you discover those.

One final thing.
Repetitive music will have an effect on you. This was already discovered in medieval times, it's where "ostinato" comes from. When your brain has detected a pattern, it will then stop trying to listen to it (because it can assume it will repeat), and focus on other things instead, even imagining new patterns that could match. Loud, repetitive music in a situation where you are deprived of other stimuli, will absolutely have a psychotropic effect on you - you won't be seeing dancing elephants, but you will have an altered state of mind, if slight. Add the drugs and the drinks and being surrounded by weird people and hot women, and the club becomes an experience which is almost completely removed from the music itself. Note that a lot of these songs are *long*. This is meant to be, and the reason why in a club songs are mixed to be seamless. They need to get your brain out of the normal state of mind - you know, where you look for food & predators - which is reached by fucking breaking it.



Ok, here are some examples of songs that i have found memorable.
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Disco Volante is the only one i recognize , i got into electronic music around 95-96 myself, mainly psy/goa , stuff like

Hallucinogen
Astral Projection
GMS
Etnica
Cosmosis
Goa Gil
Shpongled (later on)

some commercial stuff but mainly limited to early stuff pre 2000 , largly stopped listening to it after 2001-2002



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8WOH3eoCMw
 
I'll double can say is that Keith Jarrett really doesn't offer much in his Mozart interpretation of the 23rd. The 23rd concerto is taken lackadaisically by many pianists, and Jarrett does not break the trend; if anything he takes even slower.

To me, Helene Grimaud performs the outer movements of the 23rd Mozart piano concerto in an insightful manner as it is faster(one of the points mentioned in the post about classical in general) and with articulation. Only negative is that Busoni's candezas are used.

Walter Klien takes it a hair slower than Grimaud but still one of the "faster" performances.

Readers who wish to listen to Jarrett will need to get a Youtube trial, but ones I mentioned are free on Youtube. At least to me, the Jarrett take on the 23rd just comes off as lifeless.
 
Torn Mind said:
As for kavinski, I only think is a thickly built Russian with no photogenic features. 😀
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I wish! At least then girls would want me so I could protect them 😀

What I get usually is some girl crying her heart out, yapping like crazy coz they think I'm a good listener while I'm actually staring at them and admiring their looks, telling me that they are on their periods, telling me how awesome I am, EVERYTHING except the words that I want to hear, which are "I want you. NOW."
 
igor_kavinski said:
yapping like crazy
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One time, I was seriously going to get into REAL TROUBLE in the office, coz this girl gets really close to me, telling me something and her huge (compared to her body size) covered boobs are staring me right in my face and I'm looking at them with my eyes popping out and I had to make a REALLY serious effort to not blurt out, "How come your boobs are so big????" and she is totally oblivious to where my eyes are stuck at and just yapping and yapping.
 
igor_kavinski said:
One time, I was seriously going to get into REAL TROUBLE in the office, coz this girl gets really close to me, telling me something and her huge (compared to her body size) covered boobs are staring me right in my face and I'm looking at them with my eyes popping out and I had to make a REALLY serious effort to not blurt out, "How come your boobs are so big????" and she is totally oblivious to where my eyes are stuck at and just yapping and yapping.
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You must be a manlet.
 
IronWing said:
180 cm is manlet. 163 cm should audition for Time Bandits.
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Way to go, man. I guess that's why I can't get laid. Girls look at me and think, I don't want midgety kids!

And I've noticed a disturbing trend that small girls prefer really tall guys 😱

Again, evolutionary processes at work. Where does that leave me? Do I need to go to Siberia to find a really TALL wife? 😡

I really don't want her:
 
igor_kavinski said:
One time, I was seriously going to get into REAL TROUBLE in the office, coz this girl gets really close to me, telling me something and her huge (compared to her body size) covered boobs are staring me right in my face and I'm looking at them with my eyes popping out and I had to make a REALLY serious effort to not blurt out, "How come your boobs are so big????" and she is totally oblivious to where my eyes are stuck at and just yapping and yapping.
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YSK women generally do notice when you're staring at their boobs. Just because she didn't say something about it doesn't mean she didn't notice.
 
nakedfrog said:
YSK women generally do notice when you're staring at their boobs. Just because she didn't say something about it doesn't mean she didn't notice.
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I know when a woman notices me staring at her boobs. I have a pretty piercing gaze. Then they attempt to cover up their cleavage (yeah for some reason I end up interacting with women like that). The only women who don't mind me looking are the ones who have their boobs literally falling out of their dress. That's not as enticing since I know what 50% of their boobs look like. Kinda spoils the fun.
 
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