RabidMongoose
Lifer
OK, so you have no proof. Got it.
99.9% of Germans die needlessly. 99.9% of Danish people die due to starvation.
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Ignore the poor and we all suffer.
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OK, so you have no proof. Got it.
99.9% of Germans die needlessly. 99.9% of Danish people die due to starvation.
Keep trolling trolling trolling...
The fact is, that the first 7 pages of googled "starvation germany" only shows wwII related material. But admittedly i just scanned it, but wouldn't you believe it got some attention if people starved in germany?
Besdies, any day a person in germany can walk down to the social office and get help if he doesn't have any money.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
I think it's so common in Germany that nobody even bothers on reporting on it too much anymore.
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Proof?
RabidMongoose
Lifer
Evidence?
RabidMongoose
Lifer
How so?
RabidMongoose
Lifer
But I wanted an explanation...
RabidMongoose
Lifer
I don't understand. I just wanted proof of your statements.
Listen Forsythe ... you won't get anywhere with him. I have a few good friends from Germany, and under their system, the basic needs are pretty much always provided for. That's not the case in the US. There may be some who spend all their money on drugs and starve, but that number is miniscule, especially compared to the # living in poverty here in the states. I don't agree w/ the German system of government, but the Germans like it.
ShadesOfGrey
Golden Member
I much prefer the "give a man a fish - he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"
IMO it epitomizes what we as a society and Government need to do. No, not just give everyone a college education - but teach them that survival is of themselves. This entitlement type mentality has gotten out of control and people seem to expect someone else to take care of them instead of taking care of themselves.
Now I have no problem helping people who are going through rough times and need help but this generational poverty won't be solved with more handouts - it can only be solved by giving people the incentive to "go fish" themselves.
How about some solutions?
Our nation has spent billions on social programs and the situation has yet to change.
There seems to be two types of people:
Those that want to milk the system and will take whatever handouts are available so they don't have to work.
Those that want to get out of their situation and will sometimes turn down handouts to prove that they can get out of their situation on their own.
Unfortunately it seems that there are far more people taking advantage of the situation. I'd much rather see less money be spent on social programs that hand out money. Instead I'd like to see money being handed out only when people achieve certain educational and employment goals. Meaning someone who doesn't have a GED gets money so long as they prove they are going to school and passing their classes.
Our nation has spent billions on social programs and the situation has yet to change.
There seems to be two types of people:
Those that want to milk the system and will take whatever handouts are available so they don't have to work.
Those that want to get out of their situation and will sometimes turn down handouts to prove that they can get out of their situation on their own.
Unfortunately it seems that there are far more people taking advantage of the situation. I'd much rather see less money be spent on social programs that hand out money. Instead I'd like to see money being handed out only when people achieve certain educational and employment goals. Meaning someone who doesn't have a GED gets money so long as they prove they are going to school and passing their classes.
ShadesOfGrey
Golden Member
And what "point" do you think I missed? I read your post and offered a teaching I prefered.
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I can tell you vote democrat 😀
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I can tell you're an idiot for commenting on such a stupid thing as that, doesn't matter that you're a right-wing nut.[/quote]
Wait... so you're saying that I'm stupid for saying he votes democrat and then you call me a right wing nut
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I can tell you vote democrat 😀
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You have to be a little slow to comapre the way things are now to the way things were 80 years ago. This isn't 1925, but if you long for the good old days, China is 80 or 100 years behind us. Maybe even some countries in Africa would work out for you?
As far as my friend goes, you only know what I told you. He can't get a real job because of his back so what do you suggest he do? Take to begging?
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You're not understanding.
I'm pointing out the way advancements in technology have changed (for the better) the situation of those who are considered the "poor" segment of society
Let's start with a healthcare program for small business owners that make less than a certain amount per year.
For example, my brother has been running a small grocery store in a neighborhood that I grew up in for the past 10-15 years. He hasn't had health care durring the duration of that time. Good thing, he hasn't had health problems either. I mean, it doesn't even have to be hand out or anything, he can pay a monthly fee or something. Just a program that will give him and others that are in the same boat a piece of mind.
For example, my brother has been running a small grocery store in a neighborhood that I grew up in for the past 10-15 years. He hasn't had health care durring the duration of that time. Good thing, he hasn't had health problems either. I mean, it doesn't even have to be hand out or anything, he can pay a monthly fee or something. Just a program that will give him and others that are in the same boat a piece of mind.
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
Most of the poor aren't criminals, just that criminals give the poor a bad name. Many poor just haven't figured out how to do better or rejected selling out to the man to better themselves. Some are lazy, but most college graduates are lazy, otherwise why put all that effort into a degree? Many of the poor got that way from a drug habit that they can't support, but not all or even a majority. The middle and upper classes have some of the same characteristics and some of the poor got that way on the way down. Fate is often the agent. I have family and friends (and who do we know more about?) on both sides and don't see that much difference. The poorest are often the best educated and the wealthiest are almost always the ones with the least formal education. The ones with the most education seem to fall someplace in middle class.
When the poor are part of the drug culture or are addicted to tobacco, any sympathies I may have erode very quickly.
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