IG: Some Emails on Clinton's Server Were Beyond Top Secret

[Bowfinger]

Worse than that, according to Bowfinger Hillary cannot know something is classified even after the big red CLASSIFIED mark is added. ...

You're lying again. It's a pity you are so unwilling or unable to support your positions honestly. It doesn't reflect well on your intellect and integrity.

 

[werepossum]

You're lying again. It's a pity you are so unwilling or unable to support your positions honestly. It doesn't reflect well on your intellect and integrity.

How am I lying? There are emails that were denied under the FOIA because they are classified. Those emails are part of Hillary's dox dump, so we know she still had them on her server. We also know she moved them twice after they were classified. Ergo either she broke the law, or she is unable to know something is classified even after it is classified.

There's a reason Pagliano is pleading the Fifth and it ain't because Hillary is being smeared.

 

[Bowfinger]

lol I was just think that it was about time you pointed out that you are no fan of Clinton, just interested in fairness. After all, she's the victim here.

'Night, I gotta copy my homework and go home.

Clinton is very clearly a victim here. She's been under constant attack by the right. So far, most (if not all) of those attacks have ultimately proven to be false. That doesn't mean these email allegations are false, but only a fool -- or a hack -- would presume they are true given the right's track record. If Clinton broke law, she should be punished appropriately. I'm fine with that.

 

[Zorkorist]

You're lying again. It's a pity you are so unwilling or unable to support your positions honestly. It doesn't reflect well on your intellect and integrity.

You resort again to attack the messenger Bowfinger, as you are again out of arguments.

-John

 

[werepossum]

Clinton is very clearly a victim here. She's been under constant attack by the right. So far, most (if not all) of those attacks have ultimately proven to be false. That doesn't mean these email allegations are false, but only a fool -- or a hack -- would presume they are true given the right's track record. If Clinton broke law, she should be punished appropriately. I'm fine with that.

Don't forget the CIA and the FBI. Her victimhood knows no bounds.

 

[Bowfinger]

How am I lying? ...

What do you mean, "How am I lying?" You're claiming I said things I didn't actually say. While I recognize this is accepted by Republicans as a mandatory tactic for denying reality, the rest of the world calls it lying.

 

[Bowfinger]

Don't forget the CIA and the FBI. Her victimhood knows no bounds.

What about them?

 

[werepossum]

I don't worship anything except Almighty God.
Go vote for Trump then. I hear fascism is great if you're on the 'right' side.

Why would I vote for Trump? I have it on good authority that he has a server in his basement too. It's the norm, ya know. They all do it.

 

[Vic]

Why would I vote for Trump? I have it on good authority that he has a server in his basement too. It's the norm, ya know. They all do it.

Those are your only choices, buddy. Fascism, Hillary, and the socialist from Vermont.
Choose wisely.

 

[werepossum]

What do you mean, "How am I lying?" You're claiming I said things I didn't actually say. While I recognize this is accepted by Republicans as a mandatory tactic for denying reality, the rest of the world calls it lying.

Not in so many words, but you spelled it out pretty thoroughly. Several entities have made FOIA requests for Hillary's emails on Benghazi. They have been denied as classified. Hillary continued to host those messages AND moved them twice. You are asserting that she did not know they were now classified. Ergo logically she is incapable of knowing what literally everyone else knows.

EDIT: To quote you:

That entire story presumes Clinton knew she had classified information her email. If she didn't know that, the whole premise collapses. That's why comparisons to Petraeus are irrelevant. Pertraeus knowingly kept and shared classified information.

What about them?

They need to be on your list of people attacking Hillary.

 

[werepossum]

Those are your only choices, buddy. Fascism, Hillary, and the socialist from Vermont.
Choose wisely.

I don't agree that Trump is a Fascist, especially compared to the Hildabeast, but luckily those are not my only choices. I can vote Libertarian. Might even get to vote for Gary Johnson, my ideal President. Maybe not - he's running a pot company now - but maybe. The pot head vote is big. This could be the Libertarians' year.

 

[Zorkorist]

mmmm, pots.

-John

 

[Vic]

I don't agree that Trump is a Fascist, especially compared to the Hildabeast, but luckily those are not my only choices. I can vote Libertarian. Might even get to vote for Gary Johnson, my ideal President. Maybe not - he's running a pot company now - but maybe. The pot head vote is big. This could be the Libertarians' year.

Well, Tennessee will probably go as red as Oregon will go blue, so our individual votes will mean little if anything.
But make no mistake, Trump is a fascist. And worse really. He has no respect for the office he is seeking.

 

[Knowing]

Might even get to vote for Gary Johnson, my ideal President. Maybe not - he's running a pot company now - but maybe. The pot head vote is big. This could be the Libertarians' year.

Obama at least poked smot, pretty sure W did, I'd be surprised if Billy boy didn't piss hot today. Johnson didn't even try to hide that he partook of the herb but enjoyed marathons more. But he's the drug guy somehow. It's refreshing to see naked honesty on a topic that is so flipping unimportant.

 

[Bowfinger]

Not in so many words, but you spelled it out pretty thoroughly. Several entities have made FOIA requests for Hillary's emails on Benghazi. They have been denied as classified. Hillary continued to host those messages AND moved them twice. You are asserting that she did not know they were now classified. Ergo logically she is incapable of knowing what literally everyone else knows.

EDIT: To quote you:

I can't address this based on the information you've provided. Give me something more specific. You seem to be saying Clinton mishandled classified documents that have been retroactively classified, but that she mishandled them after being classified. The only thing I'm aware of is that her lawyer kept a complete copy of her email on a flash drive, in response to an order to preserve all documents. When one has two conflicting directives -- delete all classified vs. preserve everything -- I don't know which takes precedence.

In any case, your spin of my position doesn't at all match what I actually said.

They need to be on your list of people attacking Hillary.

Perhaps. I've already addressed the possible CIA issue of an inter-agency squabble with the State Department. Further, I have it on good authority that the CIA does employ some number of Republicans. Who knew?

The fact that the FBI is conducting an investigation that includes Clinton doesn't make it part of a smear campaign. That's backwards. The FBI investigation will determine whether there's any truth to the allegations.

 

[werepossum]

Well, Tennessee will probably go as red as Oregon will go blue, so our individual votes will mean little if anything.
But make no mistake, Trump is a fascist. And worse really. He has no respect for the office he is seeking.

You truly believe that Trump has no respect for the office but Hillary Load-that-WhiteHouse-furniture-in-my-limo does? On what basis beyond party?

Obama at least poked smot, pretty sure W did, I'd be surprised if Billy boy didn't piss hot today. Johnson didn't even try to hide that he partook of the herb but enjoyed marathons more. But he's the drug guy somehow. It's refreshing to see naked honesty on a topic that is so flipping unimportant.

It gets worse than that. The left calls Bush a coke head because of accusations made by a convicted felon drug dealer doing time, minus any other evidence, yet Obama's first autobiography mentions his use of pretty much every hard drug. It is amazing though - probably three quarter of the country has smoked pot, yet very few politicians are willing to admit the same for fear of losing votes.

Johnson rules. I've never done any drugs and likely never will, but I have zero problem with him heading up a company that delivers a relatively safe and legal product that people want. Like guns or liquor or cars, each individual is responsible for how he or she uses it.

 

[Vic]

Obama at least poked smot, pretty sure W did, I'd be surprised if Billy boy didn't piss hot today. Johnson didn't even try to hide that he partook of the herb but enjoyed marathons more. But he's the drug guy somehow. It's refreshing to see naked honesty on a topic that is so flipping unimportant.

Legalization is a huge success here in Oregon.

 

[Vic]

You truly believe that Trump has no respect for the office but Hillary Load-that-WhiteHouse-furniture-in-my-limo does? On what basis beyond party?

Objective observation. We already had 8 years of Hillary and it was the best Republican administration since Eisenhower.
Look, there are many things that I deeply appreciate about conservatism and Trump is none of them. I cannot stress enough the mistake that Trump would be for the GOP.

 

[werepossum]

I can't address this based on the information you've provided. Give me something more specific. You seem to be saying Clinton mishandled classified documents that have been retroactively classified, but that she mishandled them after being classified. The only thing I'm aware of is that her lawyer kept a complete copy of her email on a flash drive, in response to an order to preserve all documents. When one has two conflicting directives -- delete all classified vs. preserve everything -- I don't know which takes precedence.

In any case, your spin of my position doesn't at all match what I actually said.

Perhaps. I've already addressed the possible CIA issue of an inter-agency squabble with the State Department. Further, I have it on good authority that the CIA does employ some number of Republicans. Who knew?

The fact that the FBI is conducting an investigation that includes Clinton doesn't make it part of a smear campaign. That's backwards. The FBI investigation will determine whether there's any truth to the allegations.

More likely the FBI investigation will determine whether the FBI needs to be added to the list of entities smearing Mrs. Clinton.

BTW - if Mrs. Clinton moving these classified files (which you now presumably admit are classified) to another IT place or to her lawyer's office is acceptable because of this competing directive to preserve everything (hitherto-fore understood to mean turn it over to the proper government agency) then couldn't Hillary just as easily choose to transfer them to, say, the Kremlin? Or Disneyworld? Or perhaps put them into space where they would be safe? After all, the 2009 law just mandated that they be turned over, it didn't specify in which millennium.

I have a point here. If "preserve everything" trumps properly handling such documents, then couldn't literally anyone use that excuse? Of course Petraeus had classified documents at his home - he was following the directive to "preserve everything". How can he make sure everything is preserved unless he holds a copy? Likewise, how is his biographer fundamentally different from Bryan Pagliano or Justin Cooper, much less the fine folks at Platte River Networks or Datto Inc whom Hillary likely never even met? Why does Hillary, as a Secretary of State who cannot tell what is classified unless someone else tells her piece by piece, enjoy the right to extend access to someone without security clearance but David Petraeus, Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, does not? Why does Petraeus not get to claim that the information is not classified until (and except when) he says it's classified?

 

[Zorkorist]

Objective observation. We already had 8 years of Hillary and it was the best Republican administration since Eisenhower.
Look, there are many things that I deeply appreciate about conservatism and Trump is none of them. I cannot stress enough the mistake that Trump would be for the GOP.

Are you talking religious conservatism? Because from my perspective Trump's experience in business will forever beat out Hillary's non experience in business. She has no idea of what it takes to run a business profitably, he does.

-John

 

[werepossum]

Objective observation. We already had 8 years of Hillary and it was the best Republican administration since Eisenhower.
Look, there are many things that I deeply appreciate about conservatism and Trump is none of them. I cannot stress enough the mistake that Trump would be for the GOP.

I fully agree that Trump is not a conservative, I just disagree that he's a Fascist. His appeal is to those Republicans (and Democrats, and independents) who are fed up with both the GOP and the Democrats, and either don't like/don't know about Libertarians or Greens, or don't want to "waste" their votes.

By the way, we had eight years of Bill, with a solidly conservative Republican Congress for six of those. Hillary was in charge of a failed health care initiative, crushing bimbo eruptions, and hiding Rose Law Firm records until the statutes ran.

 

[werepossum]

Are you talking religious conservatism? Because from my perspective Trump's experience in business will forever beat out Hillary's non experience in business. She has no idea of what it takes to run a business profitably, he does.

-John

That's true. He's also an expert in cutting deals with your risk and his profit. Not sure if that will play to our advantage when he is President. I don't think anyone knows, no matter how much they support him.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

US declares 22 Clinton emails 'top secret'

 

[Vic]

Are you talking religious conservatism? Because from my perspective Trump's experience in business will forever beat out Hillary's non experience in business. She has no idea of what it takes to run a business profitably, he does.

-John

Trump is a salesman, not an administrator. I doubt that you know enough about running a business to know the difference.

And you do realize that actually running the government as a profitable business would mean that it collects more in taxes than if pays out in services, right? Literally by definition?

 

[Zorkorist]

That's true. He's also an expert in cutting deals with your risk and his profit. Not sure if that will play to our advantage when he is President. I don't think anyone knows, no matter how much they support him.

He couldn't come out much richer than the Clinton's and I am pretty sure his monetary gain is not his goal in running for office. He sees the same sickening government I see, and is stepping in to try and stop socialism, stop communism, stop nannyism, etc.

Take charge, take responsibility, make some hard choices for the long term good of the nation.

-John