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Why isn't Romney ahead by a significant amount in the polls?

  • He's a poor candidate and/or he is running a poor campaign

  • The media has been too harsh on him and/or too easy on Obama

  • His positions on issues change with the wind


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Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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If voting for Obama in 2008 was "foolish naivety"...what would you call those who will vote for him again in 2012?
The realization that for all of Obama's faults, things could be much worse. I haven't decided yet whether I will vote for Obama. While he's not the horror the wing-nut fringe rages about, he certainly has fallen short in many ways.

I will not vote for Romney, however. The man's only allegiance is to his personal ambition ... well, and to wealth, of course. Other than that he's been on both sides of every issue, showing he lacks personal integrity and sound values. That's the last kind of person America needs in such a powerful office. Further, the Republican party (in general) continues its descent into insanity and repugnant, anti-America behavior. So, for me, it's a toss-up between Obama and third-party. I really wish we had better options.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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He's only behind because of the blatantly liberal media. As an avid Fox News watcher, all the other networks seem ridiculously liberal in comparison.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Jan 15, 2000
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Romney's biggest problem is himself.

He can't seem to hold a consistent position on anything and will say whatever is politically expedient at the time to move his campaign forward. The public has some threshold for this, but there are limits and Romney has crossed them. As a consequence, anything he tries to do now to sell himself off as a centrist or moderate, which he actually is IMHO, comes across as just another gimmick. Trust is one of the most important factors in an election, and the country is not going to switch leadership to a man that refuses to give specifics and changes his mind like the wind.

The irony of the situation is that if Romney were allowed to run his campaign as the man he truly is, a moderate Republican, he'd be beating Obama in the polls. We all know he wouldn't have gotten out of the primaries if he had done that though.
 

OBLAMA2009

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Apr 17, 2008
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I run a business and understand how it works, yet I don't consider my self qualified to be president.

In fact since running the government is not like running a business at all, I dont see how having that experience is relevant.

yes i dont consider merely being well off to be a qualification to be president. even having business experience doesnt mean you are qualified to deal with things like financial problems and job creation. look at meg whitman, she took over hp and laid off 30,000 people. i guess its a good thing we didnt elect her governor based on her "business experience"
 

Fern

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Sep 30, 2003
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Why isn't Romney ahead by a significant amount in the polls?

IMO, the #1 reason is that Obama is the incumbent.

I think it difficult to unseat an incumbent and don't see why we should assume that Romney s/b way ahead in the polls. Has Romney's campaign been stellar in any way? No. But even if it were he'd need a lot of help from Obama to get a big lead, and that was never going to happen.

Fern
 

OBLAMA2009

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Apr 17, 2008
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obama is in sf today and i saw alex smith is going to be at one of his fundraisers. if a member of your own cult doesnt even support you, how can you expect anyone else to
 

First

Lifer
Jun 3, 2002
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He lacks a core or conviction, and his ideas are generally poor and evidence-less. The good ones he has had (Romneycare), he has run away from while also trying to simultaneously embrace.

He's basically seen as two-faced and out of touch, and will lose (big) come election day.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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What comes down to is essentially this

Obama: It could have been worse

Romney: I might not be as bad

Seems like so far enough more people have chosen to stay with the devil they know.
Anyone who has been paying any attention and has a shred of integrity knows that Romney will be worse. Unless you think he can lower tax rates across the board by 20% and add $2T in military spending while simultaneously lowering the deficit.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Romney is basically the GOP equivalent of Kerry for the democrats in 2004. No charisma, not very inspirational, won't get many people fired up. Just like Kerry, I think Romney is very competent, but has a hard time selling that to people.

Add to that the adoring throng of media that laps up whatever garbage the obummer camp has to dish out, and you end up with a race that's tough to win for Romney.

Romney also has another thing going against him. He's not far right enough to get the right wing fired up. They are luke-warm on him at best, but most will vote for him because anything is better than the idiot we have now. He holds very moderate positions on most issues, though he's pretended to have more right wing values in the primaries and such.... but the right wingers remain skeptical of him because they can sense that deep down he's a moderate.
Pretty much all of this.

Both candidates are products of their failed parties. Romney has until recently not been able to convince many that he's worth considering until the debate. Now he's a contender in the lesser of evil s election cycle. From my perspective the only reason to consider voting is the upcoming SCOUTUS picks. Other than that my gas has more real value than either of these politicians.
Pretty much. I expect Romney's tax cuts to get shut down in the Democrat-controlled Senate, and I expect Obama's more liberal policies to get shut down in the Republican-controlled House (with the notable exception of whatever he can squeeze through using executive orders - which is basically anything he wants that doesn't require new spending.) That leaves judges, especially SCOTUS. In this aspect at least, the two parties are very different. Republicans want judges who will rule according to the letter of the law, considering the clear intent when it is murky. Democrats want judges who will rule on what is morally right, no matter which claimant is legally right. (They've even asked in hearings if judges would rule for big corporations or the little guy.) Easy to make your choice on that basis. Or at least, easy to decide for whom you will not vote except in extremis; judges themselves might not be sufficient to vote FOR a party.
 

IGBT

Lifer
Jul 16, 2001
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Its a combination of 1 and 3.

(1) Romney comes off as a rich elitist, and has trouble connecting with average people

(3) Romney's inability to take a position for more than an hour makes it impossible for him to sell any real vision for the future.

Lacking both personal charisma and vision for the country makes it awfully hard to win.


there was never a lot of support for the obama out side a desire for a figure head for the liberal agenda and some one who could spawn fear/envy and class warfare all under the guise of "fair". Your obama is nothing more then slime disguised as sophistication. A concoction created by willing accomplices in the media. A man child of privilege. Isolated in academia and no show jobs it's no wonder he has developed a bloated sense of personal destiny and mirrors his supporters.
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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:rolleyes: It can ALWAYS be worse. The end of 2008/beginning of 2009 was much worse than it is now.

And it is not a mystery as to what caused the problems. The president who as a senator voted for legislation that caused the mess and the same one who has close ties to wall street... or someone different offering change.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Romney's problem is that he is profoundly shallow. He has no deep empathy for the plight of others because he has never know or suffered real emotional pain. He is morally empty and can take any position he sees advantage in. Unfortunately, that brings us to his second problem, he's a Republican, the party of insane white men who are so far to the right of the average American that to pander for their vote turns you into a piece of shit. The average American, if they can't be blinded by right wing propaganda, has very little use for shit. The race is to put perfume on a pig. Sometimes it looks to be working and sometimes not.

The really fun part is that you can run a morally bankrupt worthless piece of shit for the party of assholes and get almost half the vote.
 

randomrogue

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Jan 15, 2011
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Romney is like Kerry and Dole. He's unelectable. He's just a filler. Deal with it. It will be over in a month.

The only argument people make in his favor is that he can't do worse than Obama. Unfortionately those same people seem to forget how bad it was in 2008. Obama is NOT a good president. However he's way better than Bush and Romney looks to be another George W Bush. Not a good thing. I'd actually go as far to say that Romney looks worse than Bush since Bush at least held positions and personal convictions that he stuck to. Romney changes his mind or says different things to whoever will listen.
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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Romney's problem is that he is profoundly shallow. He has no deep empathy for the plight of others because he has never know or suffered real emotional pain. He is morally empty and can take any position he sees advantage in. Unfortunately, that brings us to his second problem, he's a Republican, the party of insane white men who are so far to the right of the average American that to pander for their vote turns you into a piece of shit. The average American, if they can't be blinded by right wing propaganda, has very little use for shit. The race is to put perfume on a pig. Sometimes it looks to be working and sometimes not.

The really fun part is that you can run a morally bankrupt worthless piece of shit for the party of assholes and get almost half the vote.
Your next meltdown is imminent. I've wondered if your vacations are imposed upon you or are self imposed. I'm thinking hospitalization is a factor in them so I guess it's probably a difficult question to answer. You should really attempt to quit this seemingly endless cycle. Instead of the internet next time, might I suggest a sign and a street corner? The change of scenery may do you some good.
 

openwheel

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Apr 30, 2012
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I have to agree with randomrogue. Romney is his own enemy. I don't like candidates who can't hold a position. I at least applaud HW for being open and honest about his beliefs.

Romney just seems to say whatever necessary to get votes. It should've been Ryan/Romney, not Romney/Ryan.

Obama seems to be the better choice. We all know we are better off in 2012 than 2008. Even though Obama didn't live up to his hype, he has done a good job so far.

The only true argument the Republicans have against Obama is the debt. However, when was the last time a Republican president reduced the debt?
 
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piasabird

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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A sitting president gets more air time. Not only that the media is having a lovefest with President O'Bamma to the point that the media is make a premeditated effort to throw the election in favor of the president. It is so obvious that even an idiot could see it.

However, there is one more reason O'Bamma is still holding his own in the polls. It all goes back to the 47% issue. So many peolpe are able to live off the money they receive from Federal, State, and Local government assistance. What incentive do a lot of these people have to vote republican? The saddest part of all of this is that Romneys comment about the 47% is somewhat true.

The country is so divided now that the decision could come down to a mere 5%-10% of people that are considered undecided and how many people actually vote in the election.
 
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piasabird

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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The big choice is Socialism and Facism or Freedom. Just look at Greece and you will see our future with O'Bamma.
 

Nemesis 1

Lifer
Dec 30, 2006
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Well i am voting obummer .I mean here is a leader . I love this video . best is fruadian slip. I like the part about putting lipstick on a pig . Obummer knows about this looking at obummer care and all. Obummer is the man to finely bring justice to america for its practices of the llast 62 years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wS8B1Qp5kQ
 
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EXman

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Jul 12, 2001
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I agree, but I don't see how Romney is any less evil than Obama. I think the expectation that Romney will be any better than Obama is the same kind of foolish naivety that got us Obama in 2008.

lol so who are you voting for or are you staying home?

write in Big Bird.
 

EXman

Lifer
Jul 12, 2001
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Romney is like Kerry and Dole. He's unelectable. He's just a filler. Deal with it. It will be over in a month.

And that is the Guy who made Obama look like a clown so much MSNBC called the debate for him even though they are in the tank for him.

Oh that's right Romney wasn't "GOOD" in the debate it was just Obama being bad thing again?