If you're voting for Romney...

Why isn't Romney ahead by a significant amount in the polls?

  • He's a poor candidate and/or he is running a poor campaign

  • The media has been too harsh on him and/or too easy on Obama

  • His positions on issues change with the wind


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zsdersw

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What would you say is the primary reason he is not significantly ahead of Obama in the polls? Assuming the aggregate of polling information puts the race at 50-50, why isn't Romney ahead by an amount greater than the +/- of the polls?

Given Obama's failures and the state of the economy/unemployment, Romney should be much further ahead than just even with Obama.
 
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Atreus21

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Same reason Bush/Gore were neck and neck, same reason Bush/Kerry were neck and neck...

In other words, I don't know.
 

PokerGuy

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Romney is basically the GOP equivalent of Kerry for the democrats in 2004. No charisma, not very inspirational, won't get many people fired up. Just like Kerry, I think Romney is very competent, but has a hard time selling that to people.

Add to that the adoring throng of media that laps up whatever garbage the obummer camp has to dish out, and you end up with a race that's tough to win for Romney.

Romney also has another thing going against him. He's not far right enough to get the right wing fired up. They are luke-warm on him at best, but most will vote for him because anything is better than the idiot we have now. He holds very moderate positions on most issues, though he's pretended to have more right wing values in the primaries and such.... but the right wingers remain skeptical of him because they can sense that deep down he's a moderate.
 

zsdersw

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And, as a follow up for those who pick the media in the poll, do you think Romney himself and/or his campaign plays any role in his poll numbers or do you completely blame the media?

I'm curious to see who is going to divert away from Romney and his campaign. It will be the usual suspects, no doubt.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Both candidates are products of their failed parties. Romney has until recently not been able to convince many that he's worth considering until the debate. Now he's a contender in the lesser of evil s election cycle. From my perspective the only reason to consider voting is the upcoming SCOUTUS picks. Other than that my gas has more real value than either of these politicians.
 

PokerGuy

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And, as a follow up for those who pick the media in the poll, do you think Romney himself and/or his campaign plays any role in his poll numbers or do you completely blame the media?

I'm curious to see who is going to divert away from Romney and his campaign. It will be the usual suspects, no doubt.

There isn't any doubt in my mind that the media is a factor and plays a role, but it seems absurd to solely blame the media for the problems. The media is a factor, but a more charismatic candidate with a better campaign machine could possibly overcome the media hurdle.
 

zsdersw

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Both candidates are products of their failed parties. Romney has until recently not been able to convince many that he's worth considering until the debate. Now he's a contender in the lesser of evil s election cycle. From my perspective the only reason to consider voting is the upcoming SCOUTUS picks. Other than that my gas has more real value than either of these politicians.

I agree, but I don't see how Romney is any less evil than Obama. I think the expectation that Romney will be any better than Obama is the same kind of foolish naivety that got us Obama in 2008.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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There isn't any doubt in my mind that the media is a factor and plays a role, but it seems absurd to solely blame the media for the problems. The media is a factor, but a more charismatic candidate with a better campaign machine could possibly overcome the media hurdle.

Well, that's never how people who are voting for Romney describe it on here.
 

rudder

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I agree, but I don't see how Romney is any less evil than Obama. I think the expectation that Romney will be any better than Obama is the same kind of foolish naivety that got us Obama in 2008.

No, Obama's course has been charted. We know what to expect with obama. As long as Romney steers us down a slightly different path.. we can't do any worse.

Unfortunately issues like marijuana, gay marriage, abortion, etc have become intermingled with the true purpose of the federal government and make it hard for any one candidate to appeal to a large enough voter bloc to get enough support to get crap done.
 

zsdersw

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No, Obama's course has been charted. We know what to expect with obama. As long as Romney steers us down a slightly different path.. we can't do any worse.

Unfortunately issues like marijuana, gay marriage, abortion, etc have become intermingled with the true purpose of the federal government and make it hard for any one candidate to appeal to a large enough voter bloc to get enough support to get crap done.

Yes, and what reason is there to believe he will steer us down a slightly different path? (assuming that slightly different path isn't worse than Obama's) That's the question no one who is voting for Romney seems to be able to answer.
 
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dank69

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No, Obama's course has been charted. We know what to expect with obama. As long as Romney steers us down a slightly different path.. we can't do any worse.

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:rolleyes: It can ALWAYS be worse. The end of 2008/beginning of 2009 was much worse than it is now.
 

Atreus21

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Yes, and what reason is there to believe he will steer us down a slightly different path? (assuming that slightly different path isn't worse than Obama's) That's the question no one who is voting for Romney seems to be able to answer.

Because if he's anything like Bush, he won't run trillion dollar deficits.

Just half trillion dollar deficits.
 

IGBT

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the bigger question is why isn't the obama 20 points ahead?? The massive in the tank media support. The hollywood idiots in the tank. The talking heads willing accomplices in the tank. All that and he's barely neck above the water?? Sounds like a bunch of libTards and independents have finally figured it out. the obama Utopian Tyranny is obvious.
 

PokerGuy

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Yes, and what reason is there to believe he will steer us down a slightly different path? (assuming that slightly different path isn't worse than Obama's) That's the question no one who is voting for Romney seems to be able to answer.

For one thing, Romney (unlike obummer) has actually run businesses and understands how business works. Instead of just seeking to punish those who accomplish something and vilifying evil corporations, he might be able to get something done.
 

zsdersw

Lifer
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the bigger question is why isn't the obama 20 points ahead?? The massive in the tank media support. The hollywood idiots in the tank. The talking heads willing accomplices in the tank. All that and he's barely neck above the water?? Sounds like a bunch of libTards and independents have finally figured it out. the obama Utopian Tyranny is obvious.

Obama isn't ahead because of the economy and unemployment. Everything else you listed is extremely small spuds by comparison.
 

lotus503

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For one thing, Romney (unlike obummer) has actually run businesses and understands how business works. Instead of just seeking to punish those who accomplish something and vilifying evil corporations, he might be able to get something done.

I run a business and understand how it works, yet I don't consider my self qualified to be president.

In fact since running the government is not like running a business at all, I dont see how having that experience is relevant.
 

zsdersw

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For one thing, Romney (unlike obummer) has actually run businesses and understands how business works. Instead of just seeking to punish those who accomplish something and vilifying evil corporations, he might be able to get something done.

Anything he tries to do will be significantly altered by Congress. For that reason I don't think any business experience he has translates into any particular hope of getting something good done.
 

Todd33

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Only 5/15 or 33% took the tinfoil hat answer? That has to be lower than the national average!
 

Deeko

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Well that's an easy question. The vast majority of the country will almost always vote Republican or Democrat, regardless of who is on the ticket. It's really just a matter of who is more excited at the time of the polling.
 

JEDIYoda

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Unfortunately issues like marijuana, gay marriage, abortion, etc have become intermingled with the true purpose of the federal government

A vote for Romney is a vote for allowing the Christian and Mormon Right to ban any and all of the above....
 
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nehalem256

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Its a combination of 1 and 3.

(1) Romney comes off as a rich elitist, and has trouble connecting with average people

(3) Romney's inability to take a position for more than an hour makes it impossible for him to sell any real vision for the future.

Lacking both personal charisma and vision for the country makes it awfully hard to win.
 

FerrelGeek

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No, Obama's course has been charted. We know what to expect with obama. As long as Romney steers us down a slightly different path.. we can't do any worse.

Unfortunately issues like marijuana, gay marriage, abortion, etc have become intermingled with the true purpose of the federal government and make it hard for any one candidate to appeal to a large enough voter bloc to get enough support to get crap done.

This
 
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I agree, but I don't see how Romney is any less evil than Obama. I think the expectation that Romney will be any better than Obama is the same kind of foolish naivety that got us Obama in 2008.
If voting for Obama in 2008 was "foolish naivety"...what would you call those who will vote for him again in 2012?
 

nehalem256

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What comes down to is essentially this

Obama: It could have been worse

Romney: I might not be as bad

Seems like so far enough more people have chosen to stay with the devil they know.