If you're voting either (R) or (D) for president...

[zsdersw]

What problems do we face that are not being addressed? And which are being addressed in ways you disagree with where Gary Johnson would handle them differently?

Or are you just a Libertarian pure and simple?

Spending problems and civil liberties problems are two major areas where neither the R's or the D's are going to do what should be done.

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh yeah?

I'm voting for a guy who almost completely turned around an economy in freefall.

I'm voting for a guy who enacted the first universal health plan the nation has ever seen.

I'm voting for a guy who went on the offensive against Al-Qada, pulled our troops out of Iraq (and soon Afghanistan), partnered with the international community to put the harshest sanctions in world history on Iran.

I'm voting for a guy who ended DODT, took an official position supporting gay marriage, and appointed two excellent justices to the supreme court.

Worth a dollar to me.

And who are you voting for?

[Gene Wilder]Tell me all about how your lame ass 3rd party candidate is going to solve all our problems[/Gene Wilder]

:thumbsup:

 

[Mursilis]

The reality is that neither major party is at all interested in solving any of the problems we face.

The major parties are a reflection of the public, the vast majority of whom are also not interested in solving any of the problems we face.

"Oh look, Honey Boo Boo is on!"

 

[jackstar7]

Spending problems and civil liberties problems are two major areas where neither the R's or the D's are going to do what should be done.

Well, you got me. You should run for something.

I still have no idea what it is you want or want to see done differently.

You're highly electable.

 

[dank69]

You have as much of a right to be wrong as anyone else.

zsdersw: The earth is 6000 years old.
CharlesKozierok: Claiming that the earth is 6000 years old is simplistic and incorrect.
zsdersw: You have as much of a right to be wrong as anyone else.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

You have as much of a right to be wrong as anyone else.

That's a remarkably weak argument.

The next SCOTUS justice likely to retire is left-leaning. I don't want Romney stacking the court with another young right-leaning judge when doing so would shift the balance of power to the right.

Obama, flawed as he is, has experience and at least stays reasonably consistent about what he believes. Romney lies about his own positions on a daily basis and has no interest in anything but money and power. Nobody even knows what he would do if elected.

The House of Representatives is controlled by the Republicans. I consider having them in control of the House with a Republican president a danger to the future of the nation.

I don't want the neocons who brought us Iraq in charge of US foreign policy.

So, while I may not consider Obama an ideal candidate, I see no alternative but to hope that he wins.

Your "they're both the same" handwaving is just another way of ignoring the issues.

 

[Blackjack200]

Oh my god there are actually people who believe this? Borrowing 5 trillion dollars and giving it to wall street is turning an economy around? So unbelievably mindnumbingly stupid. You deserve what you get. May the mongol hordes have no mercy on your soul.

lol @ "borrowing 5 trillion and giving it to Wall Street". Link?

Lol AQ was already on the run and he also killed one of our allies in the battle against them, Ghaddaffi who was trying to curb their recruiting efforts in his nation. You know where many if not most of the fanatics come from.

youmad? Keep throwing bullshit against the wall, see what will stick. You should probably learn to spell Gaddafi.

Also universal health care? Have you any clue about the ACA? My candidate has REAL plans for attacking our issues and wants to do it NOW not twenty years. Just because your ignorant ass doesn't do any research into all of the available candidates and just gobbles up the bullshit you're fed doesn't mean some of us choose to be as ignorant as you and your ilk. A vote for Obama or Romney is a wasted vote.

yeah, I do have a clue about the ACA actually. Your foam-at-the-mouth attacks aren't impressive.

 

[zsdersw]

Well, you got me. You should run for something.

I still have no idea what it is you want or want to see done differently.

You're highly electable.

I want elimination of farm subsidies and the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit, for starters.

I also want the PATRIOT Act repealed

 

[zsdersw]

zsdersw: The earth is 6000 years old.
CharlesKozierok: Claiming that the earth is 6000 years old is simplistic and incorrect.
zsdersw: You have as much of a right to be wrong as anyone else.

... says a partisan Democrat.

 

[zsdersw]

Your "they're both the same" handwaving is just another way of ignoring the issues.

I'm not ignoring any issues. At the federal level, particularly the presidency, there are absolutely zero issues on which any Republican or Democratic president will significantly move the goalposts. The issues play out much more directly and in bigger ways at the state and local level.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I want elimination of farm subsidies and the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit, for starters.

I also want the PATRIOT Act repealed

Yeah, and I want a pony.

There are only two real choices here. If you really assessed them and they truly make no difference to you, well, good on ya. Honestly, it sounds to me like you're really just sticking your fingers in your ears, but I could be wrong.

I don't like them either, but that doesn't mean I don't have valid reasons to dislike one a lot more than the other.

 

[monovillage]

do you get a chubby when you see Obama on TV too?

They both get a chubby when they see Obama. He's the one that gave us the "universal health plan" after all and cured the "economy in free fall"

 

[jackstar7]

I want elimination of farm subsidies and the Medicare Prescription Drug benefit, for starters.

I also want the PATRIOT Act repealed

Dang... now you named specifics and you're totally unelectable.

Iowa, old people, and the just fucking crazy scared people will never vote for you.

 

[bfdd]

Are you seriously giving Obama a pass because R's control the house? I hope you give Bush a pass seeing as Demos controlled both houses at the end of his term or does that not count? I ask because that excuse gets used for Bush all the time and people scoff at it.

Obama does not support gay marriage and believe it to already be constitutionally protected, which it is. He SUCKS at constitutional law and that alone is good enough reason to vote against him seeing as the only thing he's done outside politics is study constitutional law. 1st Amendment protection only third party candidates recognize that, not just Gary Johnson. Obama has increased spending by making the one time stimulus to our yearly budget. He has killed Americans without due process, he and his admin support the NDAA and patriot act, they support oppressive taxation, they support more wars with Syria and Iran, so please tell me what it is Obama brings to the table that's so good again? ACA is NOT comprehensive health care reform, it's half passed feel good legislation that will do far more damage in the long run.

The main problem is everything the D's and R's are founded on is wrong, so their positions are default wrong because they have a misconstrued basis for reality and their position in the world. The worst thing that could happen to the D'sand R's is a third party president gets elected and exposes the scam for what it truly is. A snake with two heads, for they are both the party of Jefferson's .


Lol blackjack, there are so many ways to spell his name so obviously you have no argument of substance because that would require you to think for youself. I have posted numerous times links exposing exactly what i'm saying as truth so whatever ignorant ass.

 

[zsdersw]

Yeah, and I want a pony.

There are only two real choices here. If you really assessed them and they truly make no difference to you, well, good on ya. Honestly, it sounds to me like you're really just sticking your fingers in your ears, but I could be wrong.

I don't like them either, but that doesn't mean I don't have valid reasons to dislike one a lot more than the other.

You are. Look, I don't really care if you agree with me or not. Feel free to live in a fantasy world where switching the guy in the Oval from an (R) to a (D) or vice-versa makes any serious difference for the better. I will have no part of that delusion.

 

[zsdersw]

Dang... now you named specifics and you're totally unelectable.

Iowa, old people, and the just fucking crazy scared people will never vote for you.

Probably, but what's right isn't always popular.. and what's popular isn't always right.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

You are. Look, I don't really care if you agree with me or not. Feel free to live in a fantasy world where switching the guy in the Oval from an (R) to a (D) or vice-versa makes any serious difference for the better. I will have no part of that delusion.

I gave specific reasons why I think it matters who is in the White House. You haven't addressed any of them.

Repeating your position over and over with no supporting evidence while ignoring contrary points is self-delusion.

 

[bfdd]

Yeah, and I want a pony.

There are only two real choices here. If you really assessed them and they truly make no difference to you, well, good on ya. Honestly, it sounds to me like you're really just sticking your fingers in your ears, but I could be wrong.

I don't like them either, but that doesn't mean I don't have valid reasons to dislike one a lot more than the other.

Instead of voting for which you dislike the least why not find the one you like the most and vote for them instead? Or is feeling like you're on the winning team make you feel better? If so you're just a fan boy and you opinions are invalid because you're incapable of your own thought.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Instead of voting for which you dislike the least why not find the one you like the most and vote for them instead? Or is feeling like you're on the winning team make you feel better? If so you're just a fan boy and you opinions are invalid because you're incapable of your own thought.

I live in Vermont. My vote doesn't matter.

I voted Libertarian in 2008 and will likely do the same in 2012. But if I lived in a swing state I would vote for Obama this year for the reasons I outlined earlier -- I dislike Obama a lot less than I dislike Romney.

 

[jackstar7]

Probably, but what's right isn't always popular.. and what's popular isn't always right.

Most certainly. But it usually takes a popular shift to shame the unconvinced majority into doing the right thing.

 

[dank69]

You are. Look, I don't really care if you agree with me or not. Feel free to live in a fantasy world where switching the guy in the Oval from an (R) to a (D) or vice-versa makes any serious difference for the better. I will have no part of that delusion.

Instead of voting for which you dislike the least why not find the one you like the most and vote for them instead? Or is feeling like you're on the winning team make you feel better? If so you're just a fan boy and you opinions are invalid because you're incapable of your own thought.

What CK is trying to explain to you, and what you are both too dense to understand, is that even if you think both D and R are the same on all things, they are not the same on SCOTUS picks. You cannot deny this.

 

[nehalem256]

That's a remarkably weak argument.

The next SCOTUS justice likely to retire is left-leaning. I don't want Romney stacking the court with another young right-leaning judge when doing so would shift the balance of power to the right.

I would say this is a reason to vote Romney.

Obama, flawed as he is, has experience and at least stays reasonably consistent about what he believes. Romney lies about his own positions on a daily basis and has no interest in anything but money and power. Nobody even knows what he would do if elected.

Plus when Obama flip-flops everyone celebrates it. Like when he changed his mind on what marriage means.

The House of Representatives is controlled by the Republicans. I consider having them in control of the House with a Republican president a danger to the future of the nation.

It is not like the Senate exists or anything.

I don't want the neocons who brought us Iraq in charge of US foreign policy.

But I thought we learned at the debate last night that Obama and Romney have the same foreign policy views. So if Romney is a neocon isn't that a reason to vote against Obama?

 

[zsdersw]

I gave specific reasons why I think it matters who is in the White House. You haven't addressed any of them.

Repeating your position over and over with no supporting evidence while ignoring contrary points is self-delusion.

Your big worries are the House being Republican-led with a Republican president... and SCOTUS appointments.

Republicans and Democrats tend to fracture when they have too much power in government. When the Democrats had the White House, the House, and the Senate they ran amok... and same with the Republicans. The more they fracture themselves the weaker they'll be when the voters kick their power down a notch or two. No big changes.

As for the SCOTUS, well, appointments must be confirmed. It matters much more who is in the Senate than it does who is in the Oval Office.

 

[zsdersw]

Most certainly. But it usually takes a popular shift to shame the unconvinced majority into doing the right thing.

That won't be accomplished by voting for either major party.

 

[zsdersw]

What CK is trying to explain to you, and what you are both too dense to understand, is that even if you think both D and R are the same on all things, they are not the same on SCOTUS picks. You cannot deny this.

I got your density right here, pal...

What part of Senate confirmation is so difficult for you to understand? It matters a hell of a lot more who is in the Senate than who is in the Oval with regard to SCOTUS appointments.