If your goal was to destroy the middle class...

techs

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you couldn't have done a better job of it!

Congrats!

Have free trade with 2 billion impoverished people.

Actually give tax breaks to companies that move their manufacturing overseas.

Do nothing when countries like China manipulate their currency.

Hide the disaster for awhile by letting banks run wild with loans and artificially high home prices.

When it comes crashing down blame it on the Democrats.


Extraordinarily brilliant.
 

werepossum

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You must have gone without Internet access for a long time to have stored up this much stupid. Have you forgotten it also has porn?
 

Double Trouble

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Wait, do you really think democrats had nothing to do with all those things? Really? NAFTA was signed by Slick Willy, and both dems and repubs in the house and senate voted roughly in the same numbers for it.

As usual you are full of crap..... Have you just not had enough time to keep up with posting drivel lately?
 

IndyColtsFan

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Wait, do you really think democrats had nothing to do with all those things? Really? NAFTA was signed by Slick Willy, and both dems and repubs in the house and senate voted roughly in the same numbers for it.

As usual you are full of crap..... Have you just not had enough time to keep up with posting drivel lately?

Of course not -- they'll just blame Republicans and claim Democrats were "forced" to sign-on to Republican bills.
 

Anarchist420

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The original post makes zero sense. Absolutely zero. China's manipulation of their currency makes their people poorer. If we did the same, we'd be poorer. If the OP supports having a central bank, then he's the one who wants to see the middle class destroyed.

I'm sick of so many people thinking that inflation makes most people richer.
 

airdata

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news flash :

The republicans and the democrats both follow the same orders and the same script.

Carry on.
 

Double Trouble

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If I were to try and destroy the middle class, my method of choice would be to flood ATP&N with a multitude of drivel-filled posts. A surefire method. :p
 

Craig234

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Wait, do you really think democrats had nothing to do with all those things? Really? NAFTA was signed by Slick Willy, and both dems and repubs in the house and senate voted roughly in the same numbers for it.

As usual you are full of crap..... Have you just not had enough time to keep up with posting drivel lately?

NAFTA isn't the be all and end all measure of party agendas on corporatism, but for what it's worth:

There 38 'no' votes. 28 were Democrats, and 10 were Republican. 3-1 isn't 'equal'.

The House has an even clearer picture: House Democrats voted NO, the bill would not have been passed by Dems (102 yes, 156 no a 3-2 no ratio). House Republicans voted YES, the bill would be and was passed if it were only Republicans (132 yes, 43 no, a 3-1 YES ratio).

(By the way, 'socialist' Senator Obama supported the expansion of NAFTA, at the risk of labor support in the presidential primary).

As I've said before, The Republicans are effectively almost completely corrupted now (NAFTA was a while ago - note, of the ten Republican Senators who voted 'no', none are still in the Senate), while Dems are split, with corporatist and progressive wings.

In the Senate, it's worse for progressive Dems. They have a small group like Sanders and Boxer.

There are many, many bills that did not pass with most Dems and a majority of Senators - often 57 to 59 - supporting them and 100% or close to it Republicans voting 100% or 100% less 1 or 2 not just voting no, but abusing the filibuster to block the bills as a minority.

The parties are far from the same - it's false to say otherwise, even if the corporatist wing of Democrats is largely similar to Republicans.

The progressive wing of the Democratic party is very different from both corporatist Dems and Republicans, but it's a minority. So, vote for them if you claim you are against the corporatists of both parties. But for some reason the 'both parties are the same' ranters refuse to vote for the only group that fits what they SAY they want against the corporatists - because it seems these posters aren't really all that concerned about corporatism as they say they are.

They find reasons to not support the progressives - which leaves only the corporatists as the real alternative, who already have the major funding advantage.

And for the Republicans who claim not to support them - I was just reading a bit of history on campaign finance reform, and Mitch McConnell had a nickname from the 90's of "The Darth Vader of Campaign Finance Reform", saying 'Spending is speech' - and this is the guy Republicans have made their leader who would be in charge of the Senate if Republicans had control.

NAFTA was passed relatively early on, with the corporate agenda pushing it as 'small government' - what could go wrong with being able to buy cheaper goods? There were no big bucks on the other side, except some unions, who were ignored with 'of course they'd say no'.

I doubt many who are even concerned with NAFTA here are familiar with its provisions, which have been called 'the greatest giving away of national sovereignity', or which I'd say include a great reduction in the power of democracy.

Ultimately, major corporations are in conflict with the public being able to vote any regulation, and tax they want on any corporations - and the only way for corporations to get what they want on that is to cripple the power of the government the people elect. Current free-trade agreements contain such provisions.
 
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BurnItDwn

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I think we should free all the people in jail who are there for victimless crimes and then refill those cells with corrupt politicians. (I will define "corrupt" as any politician who serves lobbies, corporate interests, and/or self interests rather than "the people.")

An easy way to spot a corrupt politician is this: Any politician that meets with lobbyists, goes to lobbyist sponsored events, meets with executives, or goes to corporate sponsored events.

flush them all down the toilet and start from scratch.
 

bamacre

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I think we should free all the people in jail who are there for victimless crimes and then refill those cells with corrupt politicians. (I will define "corrupt" as any politician who serves lobbies, corporate interests, and/or self interests rather than "the people.")

An easy way to spot a corrupt politician is this: Any politician that meets with lobbyists, goes to lobbyist sponsored events, meets with executives, or goes to corporate sponsored events.

flush them all down the toilet and start from scratch.

You're going to leave Ron Paul alone in congress? :eek:
 

JS80

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Yes through free trade we are destroying the middle class and turning them into upper class. It's a great thing to lift everyone up as a whole vs keeping them down and "equal" while trust fund babies and genetics lottery winners rule everyone.
 

Jaskalas

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Yeahhh, trading with poor people makes you poor. LMAO

Cheap products make cheap labor.

I'm not kidding. It may seem backwards since cheap labor makes cheap products, but if that cheap product is all you purchase then expensive labor no longer has a job.
 

BoberFett

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Cheap products make cheap labor.

I'm not kidding. It may seem backwards since cheap labor makes cheap products, but if that cheap product is all you purchase then expensive labor no longer has a job.

That may be true, but expensive labor means less of everything for everyone. Turn off the Chinese spigot and go back to buying everything from other Americans and we won't be any wealthier. Everything will cost more and people will have less. It's simple economics. Obviously there are pros in that situation in addition to the cons, but you can't simply expect everything to stay the same, other than full employment. Something has to give.
 
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LOL @ people that still think Reps and Dems have a different end game in mind. LOLZ

WEll some people just don't get it. they will continue to see it as a us versus them.
They are completely unable to see that we need to work as a whole for making America better.
It's just that they see their view as the one and only view and in typical fashion like Techs, and Craig, it's stick fingers in ears and shout "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU!!!! YOU'RE DUMB!!!!!!"
Both "sides" Republicans and Democrats do it which is why there is a Tea Party now, because for the most part, conservatives got fed up with it and wanted to start anew. Some Democrats changed affiliation to the Tea Party, but most blindly follow their masters without question, but they can't help it. It's a genetic fault.
 

dmcowen674

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If your goal was to destroy the middle class...

you couldn't have done a better job of it!

Congrats!

Actually give tax breaks to companies that move their manufacturing overseas.

Hide the disaster for awhile by letting banks run wild with loans and artificially high home prices.

When it comes crashing down blame it on the Democrats.

Extraordinarily brilliant.

It was and still is a masterful plan.
 

werepossum

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WEll some people just don't get it. they will continue to see it as a us versus them.
They are completely unable to see that we need to work as a whole for making America better.
It's just that they see their view as the one and only view and in typical fashion like Techs, and Craig, it's stick fingers in ears and shout "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU!!!! YOU'RE DUMB!!!!!!"
Both "sides" Republicans and Democrats do it which is why there is a Tea Party now, because for the most part, conservatives got fed up with it and wanted to start anew. Some Democrats changed affiliation to the Tea Party, but most blindly follow their masters without question, but they can't help it. It's a genetic fault.

I don't disagree with that, but I'd guess the majority of the Tea Party folks still believe in banning gay marriage but not the federal income tax. Until we can give up using the armed might of government to enforce our will on others, force them to live the way we think they should live even if they are not hurting us in any way, we can never have limited government. We can gut government's environmental protections, monopolist protections, consumer protections, and human rights protections and CALL it limited government, but it will remain a government with the right to take whatever portion of your income it wishes, off the top, and with the right to control your very marriage rights. Under such a government we cannot be more than privileged serfs.
 

God Mode

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Fuck the middle class. They were comfy in screwing the poor class before all of this and simply became unworthy to come out ahead.

The middle is in a war with both the rich and poor class and their stupidity and selfish greed will prevent them from winning. The middle doesn't even realize that getting what they want will only perpetuate the problems plaguing many of us.
 

BurnItDwn

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You're going to leave Ron Paul alone in congress? :eek:

Seeing as though I tend to learn more to the left, I disagree with many of his policies, but, I believe he is pretty much incorruptable. And I do have great respect for him because of that.

It's good to have diversity of opinion within a representative body in order to foster good discussion. I certainly don't want an army of yes men who will just act without considering consequences.
 

JS80

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Err, do you know what a trade deficit is?

It is literally money flowing out of the economy.

Can you even conceptualize how trade works? When you send US Dollars out to another country, they have to use the dollars, and guess what is the only country that accepts US dollars as payment for goods?
 

BoberFett

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Can you even conceptualize how trade works? When you send US Dollars out to another country, they have to use the dollars, and guess what is the only country that accepts US dollars as payment for goods?

Saudi Arabia?