If you were Nvidia, what would you have done?

[AgaBoogaBoo]

This is not a flame thread, but a thread on what you would have done with your drivers if you have the product lineup that is out right now.

I have no clue what I'd do, I might just make sure image quality does not suffer even if performance does. I'd have the drivers made so that quality was #1 as long as the frame rates were still playable.

 

[Slappy00]

If I was from Nivida I would not have hired anyone from 3DFX... They have had a track record for sacrificing visual quality for fillrate (voodoo 4000)... Hell they thought that 32bit was unnecessary when Nivida and ATI (tia lesser extent ) were pushing for a 32bit native video card.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Slappy00
If I was from Nivida I would not have hired anyone from 3DFX... They have had a track record for sacrificing visual quality for fillrate (voodoo 4000)... Hell they thought that 32bit was unnecessary when Nivida and ATI (tia lesser extent ) were pushing for a 32bit native video card.

Those mistakes are finally biting them in the @ss. The 6th-gen Geforces should do much better, now that they know they're screwed for a FX series.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Slappy00
If I was from Nivida I would not have hired anyone from 3DFX... They have had a track record for sacrificing visual quality for fillrate (voodoo 4000)... Hell they thought that 32bit was unnecessary when Nivida and ATI (tia lesser extent ) were pushing for a 32bit native video card.

Those mistakes are finally biting them in the @ss. The 6th-gen Geforces should do much better, now that they know they're screwed for a FX series.

Hmm, interesting, hehe

 

[Schadenfroh]

i would have bought loads of ATI stock back when it was cheap

 

[Tab]

Not cheat on ANY 3dmarks, UT2k3 things. It never ever helps you.

 

[NFS4]

Rolled over and played dead

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Rolled over and played dead

But you know if you play a role long enough, you begin to be--oh, yeah, that's the point, nevermind.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Slappy00
If I was from Nivida I would not have hired anyone from 3DFX... They have had a track record for sacrificing visual quality for fillrate (voodoo 4000)... Hell they thought that 32bit was unnecessary when Nivida and ATI (tia lesser extent ) were pushing for a 32bit native video card.

Hmm, well I have to take issue with this: 3dfx was more concerned with Performance over Graphic Quality, yes. Back then Performance was the biggest issue in 3D graphics, it made no sense to offer 32bit 3D colour when there wasn't the ability to push FPS much above 60, so 3dfx was correct to not offer 32bit colour. Besides, when most games offered Glide and D3D/OGL, the Glide mode was clearly superior for both Performance and Graphic Quality, it was only toward the end of Glides' life that DirectX/OGL became superior. IOW, yes others offered 32bit first, but 32bit was not that usable in the first generation or so(by the time the Voodoo 3 was released the TNT 2s were begining to offer decent 32bit performance, so 3dfx was begining to get behind, but overall 3dfx stuck to a philosophy of Performance and not going to 32bit was consistent with that philosophy).

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Rolled over and played dead

Lol, were you serious or not? I think they may have just forgotten about the FX series completely or spent more time working on it and then releasing it even if it takes more time and effort than ATI.

EDIT: I ask because it may have been a better choice to wait some time and "play dead" for a few months so they can launch their products better and have better products...

I wonder if Nvidia has known about these issues with HL2 for some time now...

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Rolled over and played dead

That'll be too harsh.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: Tabb
Not cheat on ANY 3dmarks, UT2k3 things. It never ever helps you.

True, it would be to their advantage to keep up in image quality and driver quality even if their score is a little behind.

 

[sandorski]

If I was Nvidia, I think I'd start firing people. This last year has been a real fiasco and something seems to be really wrong with Nvidia. I think they thought they were comfortably ahead of the game and became too laid back thinking no one could catch them. ATI proved them wrong, but instead of facing reality it seems Nvidia just thought it could appeal to their fans and that their good past reputation would maintain their good standing. When their appeals began to ring hollow they panicked and began to talk like everything was under control, when that rang hollow they began to Fudge the Numbers with "optomizations and talking smack about anyone who dared to challenge them. If they don't shut up, fess up, and get back to designing good GPUs, they'll soon be talking to their lawyers about Chapter 11.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Put NV3X on the .15mu process and made sure it was fully DX9 compliant.

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Put NV3X on the .15mu process and made sure it was fully DX9 compliant.

I would have just gone for DX9 compliance.

 

[draggoon01]

Originally posted by: Adul

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Put NV3X on the .15mu process and made sure it was fully DX9 compliant.

I would have just gone for DX9 compliance.

why didn't nvidia follow the specs? they had every opportunity to see the specs that ati did right?

 

[Czar]

skipped the cg code crap for a generation or two and make damn sure it was a part of "any" standard before releasing a card

make sure the darn card complies with todays standards

silently admit that ATI won this round and not sacrifice visual quality in drivers unless there is an on off button for it

never ever cheated in benchmarks

focus PR on upcoming nforce3

 

[OmegaRedd]

I would lay low till the new and improved dx9 gpu came out,let's face it dx9 is windowz and that's the major dollars not to mention built in networking only just a small thing really.

 

[Ionizer86]

I'd offer multiple modes in the driver to allow for even more options on having better performance or better visual quality. I did notice a few modes under HL2...

 

[paperfist]

I would have apologized for my mistakes, fired the public relations team and hired a new one. I would have kept as far away from Future Mark as possible and canned the 6-9 month product cycle instead of releasing sub par cards. Then I would give the boys down in R&D a pep talk and locked them in the basement until they came out with a ?clean? DX9, ATi beater

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: Czar
skipped the cg code crap for a generation or two and make damn sure it was a part of "any" standard before releasing a card

make sure the darn card complies with todays standards

silently admit that ATI won this round and not sacrifice visual quality in drivers unless there is an on off button for it

never ever cheated in benchmarks

focus PR on upcoming nforce3

I think that is the best and most covering answer to many of the aspects of Nvidia

 

[MangoTBG]

I'd kindly ask Nebor to remove his head from my rectum.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: MangoTBG
I'd kindly ask Nebor to remove his head from my rectum.

Does that have anything to do with this topic? Don't tell me your trashing this thread and you don't have even have 1,000 posts

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: MangoTBG
I'd kindly ask Nebor to remove his head from my rectum.

Hey, no fair, I hadn't even hit this thread yet!

If I were NVIDIA, I would release the REAL HL2 benchmarks, and tell everyone that Valve is a bunch of liars, trying to hype up sales for ATI before release... Of course, it's against the law for nvidia to release any HL2 info of their own.... So I guess that won't be happening. We'll see how this plays out.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: sandorski
If I was Nvidia, I think I'd start firing people. This last year has been a real fiasco and something seems to be really wrong with Nvidia. I think they thought they were comfortably ahead of the game and became too laid back thinking no one could catch them. ATI proved them wrong, but instead of facing reality it seems Nvidia just thought it could appeal to their fans and that their good past reputation would maintain their good standing. When their appeals began to ring hollow they panicked and began to talk like everything was under control, when that rang hollow they began to Fudge the Numbers with "optomizations and talking smack about anyone who dared to challenge them. If they don't shut up, fess up, and get back to designing good GPUs, they'll soon be talking to their lawyers about Chapter 11.

OMG, I am LOL! You can't make this stuff up! Golden. You sir are definite Dilbert material. "Per management directive, the floggings will continue until morale improves".

Yep, the secret to any company gaining the upperhand in a product performance driven market is to demoralize the workforce, and disenchant all who would consider coming aboard...hmmm, you wouldn't happen to really be Carly Fiorina under an assumed handle, would you?

(Take as a joke, nothing personal)