If you were in charge, what kind of airport security would you implement?

[Darwin333]

How would this prevent some terrorist from denoting plastic explosives from the bathroom?



How do you plan on doing this? Have US troops kill every Muslim(we don't know who is a terrorist or not) in the US and every country in the world? The only one without a brain is you.

How do you stop the proven method of shoving the same plastic explosives up your ass..... and then detonating them in the bathroom?

If you are the smart one, we are all fucked.


It is called ACCEPTABLE RISK YOU ASSHOLES. It is impossible to make anything perfectly safe and when the terrorists have already scared you shitless AND have a proven method of defeating your new and improved security measures before they are even in place, you aren't any safer then last week.

But hey, you feel safer right? That is all that really matters I guess.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Locking cockpit doors, extra security on pilots and flight crew.

No security on passengers, or luggage.

It's fine to say the passengers will fight, but even if they die, it's a risk that when compared to the inconvenience and violation, and cost, of the TSA, I feel it's a risk that most people would readily take on.

-John

Risk of dying from a terrorist plot on airliner vs Risk of being frisked by TSA agent

lol

 

[hal2kilo]

So it seems like there's a TSA is peverted meme spreading around. I understand people's frustrations but I'm not sure what they think the alternative is. So, what specifically would you have the TSA do before letting people board aircraft?

Sometimes I hear people suggest there's nothing we can do to stop terrorists so we might as well not bother innocent people and take the risks letting people on board. That's silly. Muslim terrorists have a hard-on for airplanes and it makes sense to have strong security at airports.

Personally, I don't get bent out of shape when asked to remove my shoes. I don't feel like the government is being ridiculous or like I'm living in the Soviet Union. The only thing that bothers me is the time wasted and the idiots in front of me, but that's an issue with streamlining the process and not about the search itself.

If I were to change anything I would make it more clear that there is profiling going on. There's no reason to pretend like a five year old girl from Tulsa is just as dangerous as a young man from Pakistan. People that are against profiling are against it whether or not you search the little girl or not, so we might as well cut it out and let them be mad when people dressed in Muslim garb are searched more than others.

Stop being a bunch of chicken shit babies who'd turn over their mother to the Nazis for a good nights sleep.

 

[Capt Caveman]

How do you stop the proven method of shoving the same plastic explosives up your ass..... and then detonating them in the bathroom?

If you are the smart one, we are all fucked.


It is called ACCEPTABLE RISK YOU ASSHOLES. It is impossible to make anything perfectly safe and when the terrorists have already scared you shitless AND have a proven method of defeating your new and improved security measures before they are even in place, you aren't any safer then last week.

But hey, you feel safer right? That is all that really matters I guess.

I have no problem with going thru a body scanner as does the majority of the country.

 

[manimal]

Lets let people opt out and just fly nekked......wearing only hats...

 

[Darwin333]

LOL So This.

Just an aside. The AQ manual tells them to hang out in bars, shave beards dress western and give no outward sign of being a muslim so they may be down with pork too to get their martyrdom on. Ends justifies means and all that. So all these ideas about humiliating a large group of 21st century Muslims to catch a few fundis will fail too.

I say fuck it, if we MUST go to the absurd then lets go all in on the absurdity. Pork tickets, especially tasty ones, won't make us any safer than current TSA policy and tactics but it would definitely be funnier.

 

[coloumb]

I'd fire most of the TSA and re-hire back 50% of the staff count. Send the best/brightest to Israel for an education on how to properly screen passengers and compensate them properly. Implement Israeli security standards and adopt best practices.

On airplanes I would ban all electronic device usage in cabins, block all radio and cell signals with jamming. We lived without them before, we can do it going forward. I would give extensive self-defense training to all cabin members, including martial arts or something similar (have them learn Krav Maga while they're over there).

Other than that, I wouldn't do much other than the usual magnetometers and explosive detection.

/agree

I've never felt more safe than when I flew to/from Israel [Tel Aviv].

Armed guards [with automatic rifles] at the connection gate in Germany, pat downs, and they'd detain you if they had any doubt. To get out of the country - my employer had to send a letter to the airport explaining why I was in the country and why I'm leaving.

Hell yes they use racial profiling - when I asked our company taxi driver [local Israeli] why it was so easy to get through customs - "You're a white boy with an American Passport".

The have armed guards, xray scanners, pat downs at the local pubs, malls, etc - how would Americans feel if public places adopted the same style of security? They wouldn't...

We were safe before all this crap was implemented - we've been fear bombed for so long that people are willing to give up their rights for a 2 hour flight from LAX to the middle of BFE America.

 

[Cogman]

A massive intelligence agency to investigate terrorism. Lots of vetting before anyone gets on the plane. Possibly even a fliers list of who can and can't fly. People from nations that terrorists commonly come from get a double heaping of background checking before they fly.

At the airport, xray the luggage, metal detector, and enough security guards to make the place look safe.

Security of flights would also be based off what they are capable of flying to/into. For example, a plane flying from salt lake to idaho falls would receive almost no security measures, while planes flying out of new york or virginia would see higher precautions.

Flight capacity would also determine the amount of security. If your plane only seats 40 people, expect lower security standards.



A great deal of my focus would be on catching the bad guys before they get to the airport.

 

[Capt Caveman]

/agree

I've never felt more safe than when I flew to/from Israel [Tel Aviv].

Armed guards [with automatic rifles] at the connection gate in Germany, pat downs, and they'd detain you if they had any doubt. To get out of the country - my employer had to send a letter to the airport explaining why I was in the country and why I'm leaving.

Hell yes they use racial profiling - when I asked our company taxi driver [local Israeli] why it was so easy to get through customs - "You're a white boy with an American Passport".

The have armed guards, xray scanners, pat downs at the local pubs, malls, etc - how would Americans feel if public places adopted the same style of security? They wouldn't...

We were safe before all this crap was implemented - we've been fear bombed for so long that people are willing to give up their rights for a 2 hour flight from LAX to the middle of BFE America.

Your post is almost exactly the same as I posted about going to/leaving Israel. However, being a minority I got grabbed and detained just coming off the plane. So, when your the one being racially profiled, it's not fun.

 

[xj0hnx]

No need to do anything other than X-raying carryons, metal detectors, and using that swab that shows explosive residue.

Combined with intelligent profiling, bomb sniffing dogs, and locks on the cockpit doors, this should be more than enough.

We don't need full body virtual strip searches or cavity searches or anything like that.

As I pointed out in another thread, if a terrorist's goal is death and destruction, commercial airlines are about as inefficient as it gets. The goal is to cause as much disruption to our daily lives as possible. It's a goal they've succeeded at beyond their wildest hopes.

Trading freedom for the illusion of safety should be punishable by death.

+1

/thread.

The further we slip into a police state for the sake of "safety", the greater the victory for our enemies. This isn't a war of body counts, it's a war of ideologies, and succumbing to fear, or "terror" is exactly what the terrorist want to see happen in America.

 

[IronWing]

Privatize the entire operation. Let the airlines and free market sort out security. Also, absolutely no liability shield for airlines in case of attack. This is essential. A plane gets blown out of the sky due to a security breach, the airline gets reamed. The blown apart plane hits someone, the airline gets reamed. Passengers can choose the level of security they are willing to put up with and are willing to pay for.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Privatize the entire operation. Let the airlines and free market sort out security. Also, absolutely no liability shield for airlines in case of attack. This is essential. A plane gets blown out of the sky due to a security breach, the airline gets reamed. The blown apart plane hits someone, the airline gets reamed. Passengers can choose the level of security they are willing to put up with and are willing to pay for.

Dream on! This will never happen.

 

[IronWing]

Dream on! This will never happen.

Yeah I know. Corporate welfare is too deeply entrenched in the air travel industry.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The fact of the matter is you're not going to find any company that would be stupid enough to take on that much liability.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Privatize the entire operation. Let the airlines and free market sort out security. Also, absolutely no liability shield for airlines in case of attack. This is essential. A plane gets blown out of the sky due to a security breach, the airline gets reamed. The blown apart plane hits someone, the airline gets reamed. Passengers can choose the level of security they are willing to put up with and are willing to pay for.

You'd be reduced to only the wealthy flying on small passenger jets. Good way to set the economy and world back 50 years.

 

[alkemyst]

i'd profile all hot chicks are require them to jump naked on a trampoline.

 

[ussfletcher]

I recommend 1. Racial profiling
2. More bomb detection equipment
3. Block all cell phone signals from the planes
4. Behavioral monitoring. (Trained people can tell when someone has something to hide i.e. Israel)
5. I would allow fewer people on a plane, and make the seats bigger... for security of course. (And because my knees are constantly getting hit by the dick reclining the seat in front of me )

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

2 words. RACIAL PROFILING.

fuck PC. if our hi-jackers, bombers, terrorists, etc. are arabian and middle eastern men in their 20's, that's who i would strip search.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Your post is almost exactly the same as I posted about going to/leaving Israel. However, being a minority I got grabbed and detained just coming off the plane. So, when your the one being racially profiled, it's not fun.

i thought you were korean or some asian.

 

[alkemyst]

2 words. RACIAL PROFILING.

fuck PC. if our hi-jackers, bombers, terrorists, etc. are arabian and middle eastern men in their 20's, that's who i would strip search.

Yeah, you'd have dun backtraced Timothy McVeigh alright.

 

[Pulsar]

It's a numbers game and the terrorists have the initiative at every point. That's why active preventative measures won't be too effective. A silly toner cartridge from Yemen almost brought down planes over the US. Before it was underwear, shoes, boxknives.

It's always going to be something we haven't thought of because they have the ability to look for the weaknesses before they hit. The only way you have no weakness is to have a police state and even then, you'll fail.

It is a numbers game, and it's one that defensive measures are going to lose EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Screw locking the cockpit door. Stop designing planes with access between the cockpit and the cabin. Seperate the cabin with a wall and only allow access through a small window to the cabin.

Yes yes, all you anecdotal fools will go "OMG what happens when the pilot has a heart attack and the co-pilot an aneurism". Just shut up and go tell me the last time that happened, m'kay?

Next - US Marshals on more flights. Fire nearly every TSA screener and replace them with Martials.

Let's get something else straight. If I want to blow up a plane, I'm going to blow it up. That's the simple truth - learn to deal with it.

One could put a bomb with a cell phone trigger in the the luggage. What's that, you're going to jam cell phones? I'll put it on a digital watch as the timer. EMP pulse it before loading the luggage? I'll put a wind-up alarm clock on it. Enforce no luggage? I'll bring a small plastic pressure container with propane in it. Perhaps the size of a pill bottle. I'll release it by unscrewing the cap, then light a match and blow out the side of the plane.

Anyone who thinks they can be safe is an idiot. You can be stabbed in the back at the supermarket, shot in a driveby, accosted in your home, blown up on a plane, I could go on for ever. Those same idiots who think that someone just one more safety measure will make them safe are some of the jackwagons that are destroying this country and taking away our freedoms. Once they finally get to the point they feel safe, someone will drive a vehicle filled with aerosolled gasoline into a daycare and start the same cycle all over again.

You ARE NOT SAFE. You never will be. Now go the fuck away if you can't accept it, because it's the simple truth. Stop trying to take my freedom and liberty away because you're a scared little nancy boy (or girl) who wants mommy to come save them in the form of big government.

 

[alkemyst]

if you really knew what you were talking about you could take some pretty basic elements and just throw them into the plane toilet.

3oz would suffice.

Most just don't want to take a plane down though.