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woolfe9999

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First about Kings and Presidents. In this decade we locked up an American citizen without his Constitutional protections. No charges, no legal representation, nothing. Years pass and finally it comes to where the judiciary acts and ends that. Years of life gone without so much as a trial. Now it's true that was eventually corrected, but it was the will of the President which made a travesty of justice. In fact there is no guarantee that a case will even be heard. It would be a mistake to assume that a President would be held accountable for his actions.

Regarding the healthcare law, yes I am extremely skeptical about it considering the lack of understanding of health care by those who's job is to write rules and legislation. Regulations which are often written which have inherent contradictions. Regulations which have been used to punish practitioners who acted in good faith, yet because of conflicting rules were able to be punished. In NY Elliott Spitzer hired temps to go around to pharmacies after having identified such situations with the purpose of fining to make money for the state. He was saving us from "corruption" of course. Right.

I've seen where the government by it's own error knowingly allow a man to die because they enacted regulations which changed billing information before sending out new medicaid cards. Those rules prevented anyone in government from giving out the information, and would make criminals of people who tried to circumvent them. Eventually it was corrected, but too late.

So yes, I'm skeptical of a huge bureaucracy with the power to destroy. Can something good of it? Yes, but I wonder what the law of unintended consequences will bring.

General sentiments about the healthcare law or government bureacracy aside, the particular issue under discussion in this thread is not as it was presented. When I see a chorus of "me toos" based on a misrepresentation, I've got to call people on it. One's overall "feeling" toward a policy or piece of legislation should not interfere with one's ability to understand facts.

- wolf
 

Hayabusa Rider

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General sentiments about the healthcare law or government bureacracy aside, the particular issue under discussion in this thread is not as it was presented. When I see a chorus of "me toos" based on a misrepresentation, I've got to call people on it. One's overall "feeling" toward a policy or piece of legislation should not interfere with one's ability to understand facts.

- wolf

My understanding of the facts surrounding this is that the enforcement of the laws can be selectively applied, holding some accountable and ignoring the same thing when done by others with no required consistency. If I'm wrong then I'd appreciate the correction. If I'm correct then what prevents coercion or abuse?
 

nobodyknows

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ROFLOL.

Fast food workers are people too, but in the great scheme of things it seems like a lot of the "everyone should be equal" crowd can't see the forest through the trees.

And vice versa. Everyone needs health care, the same as they need food. If they couldn't afford food they would steal it to survive, but we can let them wither away without decent health care because some people think they don't do enough work to deserve it?

We're not talking about vacationing in Europe or driving a Masarati or owning a big boat/camper, whatever, we're talking basic health care, not luxuries.
 

alphatarget1

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Some engineers will eventually develop robots to make your McD food and none of these people's services will be needed when that happens. It's a fact of life.
 

Pulsar

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And vice versa. Everyone needs health care, the same as they need food. If they couldn't afford food they would steal it to survive, but we can let them wither away without decent health care because some people think they don't do enough work to deserve it?

We're not talking about vacationing in Europe or driving a Masarati or owning a big boat/camper, whatever, we're talking basic health care, not luxuries.

I won't argue with that at all, and I consider myself usually a little right of center. However, what I will argue with all day is that they need insurance. I don't know how to make the change, but it needs to go back to catastrophic insurance only. I don't call my call insurance when I need an oil change or a tune-up.

Cut out the insurance companies. Get rid of the 100% non-value add monetary-suckers, then re-evaluate the costs of actual health care. Obama's joke did nothing to help anyone.