If you try and stop 2 illegals from stealing your property you go to jail

[Zebo]

LOL, only an idiot would shoot someone over an apple and only a bigger idiot would try and argue that someone would shoot someone for stealing an apple.

Someone in this thread already talked of shooting someone for scarp metal giving impression they would shoot someone for stealing damn near anything.

 

[nobodyknows]

I don't we are a nation of laws and he violated that pact.

We like to think we are a nation of laws, but I don't see it anymore. What kind of law prevents an old man from preventing the theft of this property while being on his own property?

Sorry, but I don't respect that kind of law. If you don't want to protect your property because it's not worth the risk then don't, but don't stop someone else from doing so.

 

[Perknose]

But he did and I commend hin for having the courage of his convictions and protecting his property no matter what the bleeding hearts think. He not only talks the talk, he walks the walk.

Courage of his convictions? Walks the walk? BULLSHIT.

He tried to HIDE that fact that he shot at those guys from the cops during the initial investigation, and then, 2 days later when the cops knew and went back to him, he still tried LYING to them and denying he'd shot at them.

That may be your idea of his having the "courage of his convictions" but it sure as hell isn't mine. :twisted:

 

[nobodyknows]

Someone in this thread already talked of shooting someone for scarp metal giving impression they would shoot someone for stealing damn near anything.

Wasn't there a thread a while back about someone getting shoot while stealing several hundred dollars worth of scrap metal??

Thievery is thievery, so I can see their point. It's the principle of the thing. Would I want to live with the fact that I took someone's life over an apple or a loaf of bread? No. But several hundred dollars worth of scrap metal?? I honestly don't know? If they dropped the stuff and ran off when caught then I wouldn't shoot, but if they ignored requests to halt and ran off with the goods, then maybe I would??

 

[nobodyknows]

Courage of his convictions? Walks the walk? BULLSHIT.

He tried to HIDE that fact that he shot at those guys from the cops during the initial investigation, and then, 2 days later when the cops knew and went back to him, he still tried LYING to them and denying he'd shot at them.

That may be your idea of his having the "courage of his convictions" but it sure as hell isn't mine. :twisted:

He pulled the trigger, didn't he? That's more then enough proof that he walks the walk.

Did he try to lie his way out of it to avoid trouble? It seems so, but he still shoot at the thieves, didn't he. Sorry if he isn't perfect, but what about the thieves role in all this? Where is the indignation of them stealing an old man's property? I guess you figure he had it coming?

As I said before if he hadn't shoot they wouold have gotten awaqy with it scott-free. Again I respect the old fart and if I was on the jury he would walk.

 

[Zebo]

He pulled the trigger, didn't he? That's more then enough proof that he walks the walk.

Did he try to lie his way out of it to avoid trouble? It seems so, but he still shoot at the thieves, didn't he. Sorry if he isn't perfect, but what about the thieves role in all this? Where is the indignation of them stealing an old man's property? I guess you figure he had it coming?

As I said before if he hadn't shoot they wouold have gotten awaqy with it scott-free. Again I respect the old fart and if I was on the jury he would walk.

Thats wrong too. Both should be locked up since Feb. But we're talking Denver CO!! A sanctuary city for Christs sakes. Another who gives the bird to the law.

 

[nobodyknows]

Thats wrong too. Both should be locked up since Feb. But we're talking Denver CO!! A sanctuary city for Christs sakes. Another who gives the bird to the law.

WTF does being a sanctuary city have to do with anything?

A thief is a thief is a thief. So tell me, if a cop would have been there, told them to stop, and they drove off could he have shoot at them?

If yes, then why shouldn't an old man protecting his own property while standing on his own land have the same right?

 

[Zebo]

WTF does being a sanctuary city have to do with anything?

A thief is a thief is a thief. So tell me, if a cop would have been there, told them to stop, and they drove off could he have shoot at them?

If yes, then why shouldn't an old man protecting his own property while standing on his own land have the same right?

Obvious isnt it? If they ignore the law and become a sanctuary city it should come as no surprise they ignore the law when prosecuting these thieves. Furthermore I'm not surprised this man took the law into own hands when you have your own gov't as example to lead by just like TARP removed all moral imperative to pay you debts so many people are saying fuck it.

The answer is no. In Colorado a cop can't shoot you for stealing either.

 

[Modelworks]

Should lock all those involved up. He did wrong by using lethal force to defend property when it can only be used to defend bodily harm. The two that were shot should go to jail for theft.

And no, a cop cannot shoot at anyone unless there is the threat of them shooting back or harming someone. If they could there wouldn't be many high speed pursuits they would just hit the car with an RPG.

 

[Kappo]

Should lock all those involved up. He did wrong by using lethal force to defend property when it can only be used to defend bodily harm. The two that were shot should go to jail for theft.

And no, a cop cannot shoot at anyone unless there is the threat of them shooting back or harming someone. If they could there wouldn't be many high speed pursuits they would just hit the car with an RPG.

IMO, getting blown to bits for stealing something should be a factor for thieves. There should be no issues with something protecting a part of their life. People who work hard for what they have, and someone comes along and steals what equates to time and money from someone else? They should be able to defend that.

The easy way to fix it is to not steal stuff. And kick out the people who aren't supposed to be here.

 

[ChunkiMunki]

yes we should be able to shoot and kill people for petty theft, shoplifting, vandalism and graffiti. These crimes steal time and money from people and businesses.

 

[Craig234]

yes we should be able to shoot and kill people for petty theft, shoplifting, vandalism and graffiti. These crimes steal time and money from people and businesses.

Or it's ok to shoot you for your being willing for others to be shot. You are far worse than the criminals.

 

[MotF Bane]

Or it's ok to shoot you for your being willing for others to be shot. You are far worse than the criminals.

But wait, you've now said you're willing to have him shot, so by your own theory, that means it's okay to shoot you. Damn, isn't logic fun!?

 

[Perknose]

Courage of his convictions? Walks the walk? BULLSHIT.

He tried to HIDE that fact that he shot at those guys from the cops during the initial investigation, and then, 2 days later when the cops knew and went back to him, he still tried LYING to them and denying he'd shot at them.

That may be your idea of his having the "courage of his convictions" but it sure as hell isn't mine. :twisted:

He pulled the trigger, didn't he? That's more then enough proof that he walks the walk.

Pulling the trigger at two fleeing guys just required anger, quite possibly senile anger.

Zero courage involved in at shooting people fleeing.

Once again, I don't think you have the first clue what "courage of his convictions" or "walking the walk" really means.

If he really had the courage of his convictions, he wouldn't have tried to HIDE the fact that he shot that guy and then try to lie and deny it when cornered by the facts.

He had ZERO "courage of his convictions." He tried to hide and deny his actions out of either shame or fear of legal consequences or both. And THAT, my freind, is him not having the "courage of his convictions."

As I said before if he hadn't shoot they wouold have gotten awaqy with it scott-free.

And, once again, you are making assumptions you simply can't support. You can't just blandly state what you did , you just don't know!

The cops had the description of the truck and the full description of the guys from Wallace, PLUS, if you'd bothered to read the further facts I furnished from the police, you'd know:

The reason the two theft suspects weren't immediately charged by the local gendarmes and the Jefferson County DA is that they were advised by MATT, the Metropolitan Auto Theft Task Force, that the theft was part of a larger investigation by the task force.

So, please, climb back down from your "truthiness" bandwagon and take down your "facts don't matter if I believe it to be so" banner and stop making claims that are either directly contradicted by the facts gathered so far or can't be supported by them.

 

[skyking]

He went out with a gun in hand ready to shoot it, in the dark. He opened fire. What the public expects is that blazing away in the night, with the possibility of your neighbors being hurt or killed by stray rounds is absolutely unacceptable.
That is what the PA's office is acting on. Did they charge him excessively? Yes.
We had a young kid killed in his yard around here a couple of years back due to that kind of shooting. Kids and adults get killed in their homes by stray rounds.
Nothing out in my yard is worth either my life or somebody else's and that is the acceptable view as far as the law and common sense is concerned. Set foot in my home and all bets (and safeties) are off. That is also acceptable and common sense.
You can try hard to politicize it all you want, but they could have been white, blue, or green punks and the outcome would be the same.

 

[umbrella39]

He went out with a gun in hand ready to shoot it, in the dark. He opened fire.

Similar story in Detroit was just settled:

http://detnews.com/article/20100708/METRO/7080449/1361/rss99

Detroit -- A man accused of manslaughter for killing an innocent bystander when firing his legally carried handgun at a man he claims robbed him and stole his car, has taken a plea bargain to testify against the alleged robber.

Edward Bell, 65, pleaded guilty today before Wayne Circuit Court Judge Margie Braxton to a lesser charge of discharging a weapon at a building. Bell will serve four months in jail and one year on probation in exchange for testimony against Antwan Hall, 19.

This is what you get with liberals in places of power.

/rollseyes@ron

EDIT: The link above doesn't going into much detail about the shooting More info: http://detnews.com/article/20100616/METRO01/6160412/Stray-bullet-slaying-case-moved-to-Monday

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well it seems there is more than one way to skin a cat. My village has a nice park. But its overrun by hispanics now . Which is fine by me. But someone else seems to think otherwise and are bubbie traping the playground equipment . Which pisses me off big time. As I take my grandchild there daily . So I got permssion to install Video cameras. A hispanic child was badly injured on swing set that chain was hacksawed. Now people are cutting brake lines on there cars . Its just the beginning.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Someone in this thread already talked of shooting someone for scarp metal giving impression they would shoot someone for stealing damn near anything.

Let me ask you something . A moral question it be.

Which is the greater crime.

Is it more wrong to steal a million dollars from a bank as compared to stealing ten dollars from the poor. There is only 1 correct ans. So many will say stealing the million dollars . So many are clueless.

 

[Nemesis 1]

This story is and was by design meant to divide a nation even further .

In a conspirecy 2 or more like minded people conspire to decieve . They pretend to be against each other so as to allow 1 or more of said people to slip in as to be among the sheep when it is infact a deception to make you unaware so they can bring their agenda forward .

 

[shira]

WTF does being a sanctuary city have to do with anything?

A thief is a thief is a thief. So tell me, if a cop would have been there, told them to stop, and they drove off could he have shoot at them?

If yes, then why shouldn't an old man protecting his own property while standing on his own land have the same right?

Last I heard, the penalty for stealing property isn't death.

 

[Kappo]

yes we should be able to shoot and kill people for petty theft, shoplifting, vandalism and graffiti. These crimes steal time and money from people and businesses.

There is a difference (IMO) of stealing from a public place and stealing from private property. The minute someone steps on my property with the intent to steal, damage or put me in danger things have changed. A business protecting it's assets is different simply from the fact that they can raise their prices to accommodate loss while private individuals cannot.

If only there were a venue for people to not run the risk of being shot while committing a crime (we all know that committing crimes CAN'T be the way to this - I mean, we ALL have to commit crimes in order to live, right?)...

Personally, I wouldn't try to kill someone who did this to me because dead people don't suffer.

 

[Tristicus]

Let me ask you something . A moral question it be.

Which is the greater crime.

Is it more wrong to steal a million dollars from a bank as compared to stealing ten dollars from the poor. There is only 1 correct ans. So many will say stealing the million dollars . So many are clueless.

They are both crimes, neither is greater than the other. If you say stealing is better one way then the other, you are morally fucked.

 

[nobodyknows]

Pulling the trigger at two fleeing guys just required anger, quite possibly senile anger.

Zero courage involved in at shooting people fleeing.

Once again, I don't think you have the first clue what "courage of his convictions" or "walking the walk" really means.

If he really had the courage of his convictions, he wouldn't have tried to HIDE the fact that he shot that guy and then try to lie and deny it when cornered by the facts.

He had ZERO "courage of his convictions." He tried to hide and deny his actions out of either shame or fear of legal consequences or both. And THAT, my freind, is him not having the "courage of his convictions."


And, once again, you are making assumptions you simply can't support. You can't just blandly state what you did , you just don't know!

The cops had the description of the truck and the full description of the guys from Wallace, PLUS, if you'd bothered to read the further facts I furnished from the police, you'd know:

So, please, climb back down from your "truthiness" bandwagon and take down your "facts don't matter if I believe it to be so" banner and stop making claims that are either directly contradicted by the facts gathered so far or can't be supported by them.

LOL, he shoot at them dumb ass and that's a fact. He pulled the fucking trigger. If you think it's was nothing but "senile anger" then perhaps you are the senile one? Ot is there suddenly a rash of senile people shooting at people in this country I don't know about??

If he didn't know he had hit one of them why would he admit shooting at them and get himself in trouble? He's have to be senile to do that, so there goes your senile theory out the window.

Go ahead and continue to try and arrange the facts so they suit your argument, but I will stand by my statement that the fact he pulled the trigger shows that he not only talks the talk, but walks the walk.... unlike the most of the phoney posters in P&N who like to talk tough but would run and hide if such an incident happened to them.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Last I heard, the penalty for stealing property isn't death.

The last I heard If your caught and ordered to stop. You must yeild or suffer the penelity for failing to do so. We have the right every citizen to arrest lawbreakers. Citizens arrest. These men drove the truck at the old man after he caught them and told them to stop . He had every right to defend his property .

Cops have no special authority. Were does that authority come from . The King of the mountain . Thats only a game . Its not reality. You are your own authority. If you do not do things correctly the other 6 billion authorities can deal with you.

We are equals and No man has authority over another. Till we stop playing King of the mountain this ignorance will never end.

 

[RapidSnail]

I don't think it is reasonable that the man will be held criminally responsible for the actions he took in defense of his own property. These days it seems as if there is more liability in a just cause than there is in the actual crime. People without malicious intent are being held at fault for the instinctive protection of their own well-being and property. This doesn't float well with me even if the man did something that was probably unwise.