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If you support the Death Penalty...

I?d make a joke, but I?d get suspended again.

sorry to nef in your thread: but I?m against the death penalty for anything shy of treason because I believe all humans have the potential to be reformed, but there are some situations in the security of a nation that you need every deterrent possible, including that of the penalty of death.

that said.. no one is going to get a fair look at the facts of the case from these websites.
 
I'm not a supporter of the death penalty. But I have a special hatred of the capital charge for being an accomplice, even if you're an accomplice to a crime that has no plan for murder. It takes a particularly bloodthirsty state to consider this 'justice' when all it really is is a blood-letting.
 
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I?d make a joke, but I?d get suspended again.

sorry to nef in your thread: but I?m against the death penalty for anything shy of treason because I believe all humans have the potential to be reformed, but there are some situations in the security of a nation that you need every deterrent possible, including that of the penalty of death.

that said.. no one is going to get a fair look at the facts of the case from these websites.
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i agree about reformation, BUT unfortunately our legal system doesn't. our prison systems are not based on reform. that's why many inmates become institutionalized and rarely make something of themselves following a prison sentence.
 
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i agree about reformation, BUT unfortunately our legal system doesn't. our prison systems are not based on reform. that's why many inmates become institutionalized and rarely make something of themselves following a prison sentence.
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Heck, if they DO it pisses off conservatives everywhere. Remember when the Ravens won the Superbowl? All kinds of Conservative nuts were pissed because they were a team of ex felons (which I don't know if that's entirely true or not because I don't follow football much). I remember guys at work pissing that they shouldn't be ALLOWED to play in the football if they had convictions.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i agree about reformation, BUT unfortunately our legal system doesn't. our prison systems are not based on reform. that's why many inmates become institutionalized and rarely make something of themselves following a prison sentence.
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Heck, if they DO it pisses off conservatives everywhere. Remember when the Ravens won the Superbowl? All kinds of Conservative nuts were pissed because they were a team of ex felons (which I don't know if that's entirely true or not because I don't follow football much). I remember guys at work pissing that they shouldn't be ALLOWED to play in the football if they had convictions.

Jason
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yes, but what you are speaking of is 1\100th of 1%. there is always leniency for the rich. although jamal lewis got a plea bargan (same as getting off), and ray lewis was found innocent.
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i agree about reformation, BUT unfortunately our legal system doesn't. our prison systems are not based on reform. that's why many inmates become institutionalized and rarely make something of themselves following a prison sentence.
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Heck, if they DO it pisses off conservatives everywhere. Remember when the Ravens won the Superbowl? All kinds of Conservative nuts were pissed because they were a team of ex felons (which I don't know if that's entirely true or not because I don't follow football much). I remember guys at work pissing that they shouldn't be ALLOWED to play in the football if they had convictions.

Jason
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No, I dont remember conservatives being pissed at all. I'm conservative and Ray Lewis (the "felon" I think you're talking about) is one of my favorite players. I don't have a problem with felons playing any sports as long as they paid their dues to society and served their sentence. A lot of the athletes would be felons anyway if they weren't playing sports (a very small percentage, but some would most likely, just look at Allen Iverson or Ron Artest).
 
looking at that sheet, it said that he had no priors. i agree however that we need to see the entire case, but hypothetically taking as fact what was mentioned on that site, with discretion that is, he never exited the car, and was over 80 feet away from lahood and the guy that shot him. also, the shooter took full responsibility and stated it was not a robbery. the person that testified against foster later exhonorated him of any crime after plea bargaining

people crack under pressure which is a possibility why the guy plea bargained, and the point is, this does not warrant the death penalty
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i agree about reformation, BUT unfortunately our legal system doesn't. our prison systems are not based on reform. that's why many inmates become institutionalized and rarely make something of themselves following a prison sentence.
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Heck, if they DO it pisses off conservatives everywhere. Remember when the Ravens won the Superbowl? All kinds of Conservative nuts were pissed because they were a team of ex felons (which I don't know if that's entirely true or not because I don't follow football much). I remember guys at work pissing that they shouldn't be ALLOWED to play in the football if they had convictions.

Jason
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Well back when the Ravens won the SuperBowl, the only thing that was going on was the Ray Lewis thing where he was found guilty of obstruction of justice in a double murder after a night club fight I believe.
Whether or not he was involved in the actual murders is well up to to the jury to decide and they sided with obstruction of justice. The whole incident which Jamal Lewis was only brought to light this year.

I don't see why a convicted felon shouldn't be allowed to play in professional sports. We shouldn't look to these players as role models. They are there to make big money and play a game...Don't see how they should be held accountable for anything else they do besides play their position in their sport if they are legally able to play. People need to find role models in their family and others in their personal life and not athletes or for gods sakes, actors.
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
I'll have to agree. The only people who are qualified to judge a case are those who are IN the courtroom for the entire case.

Jason
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bingo.
 
If you want to think about something scarey, think of all of the commercial prisons that were built in the US in the late 1990's. They have to keep them full to pay for them.
 
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
condor, do you think scott peterson should get the death penalty?
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I know this was directed at Condor, but I will take a bite.

The Peterson case is one that will set a bad precedent...He was convicted of murdering his wife and unborn son purely on circumstantial evidence (as much as the public has seen). Granted, the evidence was pretty damn good (fishing 90 miles away where the body was later found?) but there was no hard or physical evidence that Peterson had done the deed, so to speak.

The precedent set is that of the death penalty...I personally thought he had killed them, but did not think that the prosecution had proven that, however the jurors obviously disagree. Giving him the death penalty based on the circumstantial evidence presented is a bad move in my opinion, He deserves nothing short of life in prison w/o parole though. I would prefer to hold the death penalty as an option for cases that are of the "open / shut" variety...where there is an eye-witness, video, or audio evidence of the act.

 
You just never know.
But tapes can and are faked. Sad and unfortunate we live in a world like this.
But cops and people do some nasty sh1t from time to time. -it happens
I for one would never want to be the victim of a "accident" thus I can never see supporting the death penalty if there
ever can be a shadow of doubt that a innocent life could be taken in the name of "Justice".
rehabilitate not incarcarate. You never know if a dead former death row inmate could have been helped and went on to find the cure for cancer or something if they figured out their issues (which we ALL have to some varying degree) Stranger things have happened in a perplexing world.
 
If I was pulled for a jury I'd not be able to give the death sentence to anybody. It's state-sanctioned revenge. I would have no part in it, nor want it weighing on my conscience. I wouldn't even convict OBL to death, if I was on a jury. If I had a gun and he was about to run away I'd have no hesitation, but if somebody's been captured, has no hope of ever getting out (super max, baby!), there's no need for it. It saves no money, deters no crimes, and is a puerile outlet for one's blood lust. It will not satisfy anything but that.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
If I was pulled for a jury I'd not be able to give the death sentence to anybody. It's state-sanctioned revenge. I would have no part in it, nor want it weighing on my conscience. I wouldn't even convict OBL to death, if I was on a jury. If I had a gun and he was about to run away I'd have no hesitation, but if somebody's been captured, has no hope of ever getting out (super max, baby!), there's no need for it. It saves no money, deters no crimes, and is a puerile outlet for one's blood lust. It will not satisfy anything but that.
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Originally posted by: KidViciou$
condor, do you think scott peterson should get the death penalty?
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I think he did it, but don't like what they used as evidence. That would be a difficult case for me. I think he did it, but I don't think they have proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I kind of am glad he is going to die, but don't really like the way it was done. Being the husband, he is pretty much the only one who would have killed her, but I think there was more of a case for OJ and he walked. I think Peterson just didn't have enough money and that shouldn't be what justice is about.

 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie
i agree about reformation, BUT unfortunately our legal system doesn't. our prison systems are not based on reform. that's why many inmates become institutionalized and rarely make something of themselves following a prison sentence.
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Heck, if they DO it pisses off conservatives everywhere. Remember when the Ravens won the Superbowl? All kinds of Conservative nuts were pissed because they were a team of ex felons (which I don't know if that's entirely true or not because I don't follow football much). I remember guys at work pissing that they shouldn't be ALLOWED to play in the football if they had convictions.

Jason
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I'm a conservative and I think that someone who is convicted of a felony and gets some time behind bars should be able to earn full citizenship back again. We don't have a process for that. As far as I know, once a convicted felon, always a convicted felon. How can you expect anyone to clean themselves up with that door closed to them?

 
well i don't think they had enough evidence to sentence him to death. also, you are saying that you think he's guilty, but you also say they didn't prove beyond a resonable doubt. how could you then convict???
 
Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Originally posted by: Skoorb
If I was pulled for a jury I'd not be able to give the death sentence to anybody. It's state-sanctioned revenge. I would have no part in it, nor want it weighing on my conscience. I wouldn't even convict OBL to death, if I was on a jury. If I had a gun and he was about to run away I'd have no hesitation, but if somebody's been captured, has no hope of ever getting out (super max, baby!), there's no need for it. It saves no money, deters no crimes, and is a puerile outlet for one's blood lust. It will not satisfy anything but that.
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