If you shuffle a deck of cards properly

[dasherHampton]

There's a disconnect here.

The factoid I read did not say that the same order has NEVER happened. It most certainly has.

It just ascertains that a good shuffle will LIKELY come up with a unique order. There are more unique combinations than there are atoms that make up earth.

 

[C1]

https://czep.net/weblog/52cards.html

 

[nakedfrog]

<slap, slap, drops gauntlet>

 

[nakedfrog]

Also: the deck takes off, because it's = 1.

 

[sdifox]

Your lack of trailing zeros shows your error. Trailing zeros first appear with 5! and gain in abundance as the number grows.

lol I have to pick the one calculator that gives me the wrong number... did the calc the hardway in excel and the result is

80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000

 

[sandorski]

Also: the deck takes off, because it's = 1.

That would be true if it was Butter, but it's Margarine, so....

 

[IronWing]

lol I have to pick the one calculator that gives me the wrong number... did the calc the hardway in excel and the result is

80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000

Kiss, make up, and gang up on zin?

 

[nakedfrog]

That would be true if it was Butter, but it's Margarine, so....

Bruce Lee.

 

[zinfamous]

What is this, a hydra of dickheads?

I see you're familiar with this joint...

 

[IronWing]

Bruce Lee.

Sara Lee.

 

[zinfamous]

lol I have to pick the one calculator that gives me the wrong number... did the calc the hardway in excel and the result is

80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000

can one of you nerds punch out an R script that returns the proper answer?

asking for a friend/not homework.

 

[sdifox]

can one of you nerds punch out an R script that returns the proper answer?

asking for a friend/not homework.

I just used excel... you can write one in visual basic easily. A loop and two variables are all you need.

 

[zinfamous]

I just used excel... you can write one in visual basic easily. A loop and two variables are all you need.

I found this

recur_factorial <- function(n) {
if(n <= 1) {
return(1)
} else {
return(n * recur_factorial(n-1))
}
}

 

[IronWing]

can one of you nerds punch out an R script that returns the proper answer?

asking for a friend/not homework.

INTEGER*227 :: R  = 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000;
PRINT (*,'(R,I68)')

 

[nakedfrog]

Sara Lee.

Sara Lee is da debbil.

 

[zinfamous]

INTEGER :: R  = 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000;
PRINT (*,'(R,I67)')

that looks like....Perl or C or something you jerk!

 

[sdifox]

googled for an answer for Ruby

class Integer
def fact
(1..self).reduce*) || 1
end
end

 

[IronWing]

that looks like....Perl or C or something you jerk!

FORTRAN 77, thank you very much.

 

[OccamsToothbrush]

Your lack of trailing zeros shows your error. Trailing zeros first appear with 5! and gain in abundance as the number grows.

In fact if my math fu skills are still okay I think every 5 introduces another 0. Every number from 5! to 9! ends in a single 0. 10!-14! end in 00, 15!-19! would all end in 000 etc.

So 52! would have 10 trailing zeros.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I find this hard to believe but the numbers don't lie so I do believe it... just seems crazy that there are that many combinations.

If you could use punch cards with the values instead of regular playing cards and shuffle those you could in theory make very strong randomly generated strings in a computer.

Now I kinda want to see a hardware RNG in a lab somewhere that turns out to just be a guy shuffling cards and putting them through a machine.

"So what do you do at work?" "I shuffle cards to make the internet more secure".

 

[IronWing]

I find this hard to believe but the numbers don't lie so I do believe it... just seems crazy that there are that many combinations.

If you could use punch cards with the values instead of regular playing cards and shuffle those you could in theory make very strong randomly generated strings in a computer.

Now I kinda want to see a hardware RNG in a lab somewhere that turns out to just be a guy shuffling cards and putting them through a machine.

"So what do you do at work?" "I shuffle cards to make the internet more secure".

WWII era cryptographic single use pads were basically made this way.

 

[Tweak155]

No, it isnt.
Its a bullshit interpretation of statistics and probability. Its also a major logical fallacy.

Just because something CAN be different does not automatically mean it WILL be different.

And like most logical fallacies, it gets passed around a lot by ignorant people who think they're wise.

OP never said it will always be different. Try reading it closer. You do realize there is a difference between "almost certain" and "certain"? The chances are well in the favor of being different.

 

[Captante]

Your math is weak.

Your math is wrong.

Well MY math is weak AND wrong!

That'll learn ya!

 

[nakedfrog]

I find this hard to believe but the numbers don't lie so I do believe it... just seems crazy that there are that many combinations.

If you could use punch cards with the values instead of regular playing cards and shuffle those you could in theory make very strong randomly generated strings in a computer.

Now I kinda want to see a hardware RNG in a lab somewhere that turns out to just be a guy shuffling cards and putting them through a machine.

"So what do you do at work?" "I shuffle cards to make the internet more secure".

Well, we've already got this.

 

[Paratus]

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