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If you saw a real ghost, how would your perceptions about religion & evolution change?

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A friend of mine was very adamant that a house he once occupied was haunted. He wasn't particularly flaky, or fanciful, and the effects were seen by other people as well. I'd love to see a ghost. I'd call myself ghost agnostic. I'm highly sceptical, but open to evidence.

As to my religious views... They're best summed up as "I don't care". There's as much point pondering religion as there is figuring out how many fairies dance between the raindrops during a storm ;^)
 
The weirdest thing that happened to me was when I was at my cousin's funeral. Upon closing out the funeral, her picture up on the memorial fell down without any wind or anything. There could not have been any wind since it was enclosed. Sure the a/c could've done it but the frame itself was pretty hefty.
 
I'd ask the ghost his/her opinion on government assistance to the Big 3 automakers.



Oh, I'd also ask for next weeks lottery numbers. 🙂
 
When I used to live in Danville CA I used to see ghosts and hear things all the time. I do believe ghosts exist, obviously, but it hasn't change my perception of religion.
 
a group of people & everyone confirmed
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I might believe in a supernatural/god angle - but nothing will ever convert me to religion (at least any of the ones in practice today). If there ever was a one-true-faith revealed by a one-true-prophet, it sure as hell is extinct. An experience like this would probably turn me into a Deist.

Take away the group of people and I would go get a CAT scan.
 
Seeing something absolutely paranormal and supernatural would definitely scare the shit out of me. And I would probably reform my opinions on an afterlife or higher being.
 
In a universe that recycles and reuses everything down to the subatomic level, why would your conscious energy, or spirit, when you die be completely eliminated? The question is and remains, what happens to this spirit after you die? Reincarnation makes the most sense, from a recycle point of view.

But I think there are more factors at work. I think you can choose to move on to another level of consciousness, stay here until your spirit dissipates into the environment or be reincarnated. And based on this theory, there would also be old spirits and new spirits reincarnating humans, and all life.

Do you believe there are no other conscious beings on a par with life on Earth in the entire universe? And how about parallel universes which physicists are searching for using tools such as the HADRON collider? They have witnessed particles blinking in and out of existence and traveling across space invisibly while doing it. If a particle can move so easily between parallel universes, then why can't human consciousness do the same thing after death, or even while alive?

It would be kind of ironic if science ultimately proved the existence of supreme beings and life after death, and thus reaffirmed the existence of the human spirit, but this is where modern science is rapidly taking all of us, like it or not.

The observer effects the observed.

Wiki: Observer Effect
 
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In a universe that recycles and reuses everything down to the subatomic level, why would your conscious energy, or spirit, when you die be completely eliminated? The question is and remains, what happens to this spirit after you die? Reincarnation makes the most sense, from a recycle point of view.

But I think there are more factors at work. I think you can choose to move on to another level of consciousness, stay here until your spirit dissipates into the environment or be reincarnated. And based on this theory, there would also be old spirits and new spirits reincarnating humans, and all life.

Do you believe there are no other conscious beings on a par with life on Earth in the entire universe? And how about parallel universes which physicists are searching for using tools such as the HADRON collider? They have witnessed particles blinking in and out of existence and traveling across space invisibly while doing it. If a particle can move so easily between parallel universes, then why can't human consciousness do the same thing after death, or even while alive?

It would be kind of ironic if science ultimately proved the existence of supreme beings and life after death, and thus reaffirmed the existence of the human spirit, but this is where modern science is rapidly taking all of us, like it or not.

The observer effects the observed.
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I some what agree with this guy. I don't believe we just die off. Poof. Nothing.

I think we all move on to a parallel universe or something.

How would all of you explain all the ghost stories and poltergeist that happen all around the world?
 
Originally posted by: AndroidVageta
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In a universe that recycles and reuses everything down to the subatomic level, why would your conscious energy, or spirit, when you die be completely eliminated? The question is and remains, what happens to this spirit after you die? Reincarnation makes the most sense, from a recycle point of view.

But I think there are more factors at work. I think you can choose to move on to another level of consciousness, stay here until your spirit dissipates into the environment or be reincarnated. And based on this theory, there would also be old spirits and new spirits reincarnating humans, and all life.

Do you believe there are no other conscious beings on a par with life on Earth in the entire universe? And how about parallel universes which physicists are searching for using tools such as the HADRON collider? They have witnessed particles blinking in and out of existence and traveling across space invisibly while doing it. If a particle can move so easily between parallel universes, then why can't human consciousness do the same thing after death, or even while alive?

It would be kind of ironic if science ultimately proved the existence of supreme beings and life after death, and thus reaffirmed the existence of the human spirit, but this is where modern science is rapidly taking all of us, like it or not.

The observer effects the observed.
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I some what agree with this guy. I don't believe we just die off. Poof. Nothing.

I think we all move on to a parallel universe or something.

How would all of you explain all the ghost stories and poltergeist that happen all around the world?
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Since almost everyone now carries a camera (cellphone), why haven't we seen any pictures?
 
Originally posted by: Zap Brannigan
G-g-g-g-g-ghost Pirates!!!!!!!!!
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"Pirate ghost" would suggest that a pirate died, and became a ghost, but a ghost pirate is a ghost that later made a conscious decision to be a pirate.
 
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In a universe that recycles and reuses everything down to the subatomic level, why would your conscious energy, or spirit, when you die be completely eliminated? The question is and remains, what happens to this spirit after you die? Reincarnation makes the most sense, from a recycle point of view.

But I think there are more factors at work. I think you can choose to move on to another level of consciousness, stay here until your spirit dissipates into the environment or be reincarnated. And based on this theory, there would also be old spirits and new spirits reincarnating humans, and all life.

Do you believe there are no other conscious beings on a par with life on Earth in the entire universe? And how about parallel universes which physicists are searching for using tools such as the HADRON collider? They have witnessed particles blinking in and out of existence and traveling across space invisibly while doing it. If a particle can move so easily between parallel universes, then why can't human consciousness do the same thing after death, or even while alive?

It would be kind of ironic if science ultimately proved the existence of supreme beings and life after death, and thus reaffirmed the existence of the human spirit, but this is where modern science is rapidly taking all of us, like it or not.

The observer effects the observed.

Wiki: Observer Effect
Click to expand...

wtf is this "conscious energy"? It's all electricity and chemicals in the brain. You die (brain-death anyway) when those electro-chemical patterns cease and the cells themselves die, and then everything that made you a person is gone for good.
 
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In a universe that recycles and reuses everything down to the subatomic level, why would your conscious energy, or spirit, when you die be completely eliminated? The question is and remains, what happens to this spirit after you die? Reincarnation makes the most sense, from a recycle point of view.

But I think there are more factors at work. I think you can choose to move on to another level of consciousness, stay here until your spirit dissipates into the environment or be reincarnated. And based on this theory, there would also be old spirits and new spirits reincarnating humans, and all life.

Do you believe there are no other conscious beings on a par with life on Earth in the entire universe? And how about parallel universes which physicists are searching for using tools such as the HADRON collider? They have witnessed particles blinking in and out of existence and traveling across space invisibly while doing it. If a particle can move so easily between parallel universes, then why can't human consciousness do the same thing after death, or even while alive?

It would be kind of ironic if science ultimately proved the existence of supreme beings and life after death, and thus reaffirmed the existence of the human spirit, but this is where modern science is rapidly taking all of us, like it or not.

The observer effects the observed.

Wiki: Observer Effect
Click to expand...

I've bolded your erroneous assumptions
 
Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
Originally posted by: SlickSnake
In a universe that recycles and reuses everything down to the subatomic level, why would your conscious energy, or spirit, when you die be completely eliminated? The question is and remains, what happens to this spirit after you die? Reincarnation makes the most sense, from a recycle point of view.

But I think there are more factors at work. I think you can choose to move on to another level of consciousness, stay here until your spirit dissipates into the environment or be reincarnated. And based on this theory, there would also be old spirits and new spirits reincarnating humans, and all life.

Do you believe there are no other conscious beings on a par with life on Earth in the entire universe? And how about parallel universes which physicists are searching for using tools such as the HADRON collider? They have witnessed particles blinking in and out of existence and traveling across space invisibly while doing it. If a particle can move so easily between parallel universes, then why can't human consciousness do the same thing after death, or even while alive?

It would be kind of ironic if science ultimately proved the existence of supreme beings and life after death, and thus reaffirmed the existence of the human spirit, but this is where modern science is rapidly taking all of us, like it or not.

The observer effects the observed.

Wiki: Observer Effect
Click to expand...

wtf is this "conscious energy"? It's all electricity and chemicals in the brain. You die (brain-death anyway) when those electro-chemical patterns cease and the cells themselves die, and then everything that made you a person is gone for good.
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this
 
Wouldn't affect Evolution whatsoever and has no effect on Religion. It opens up the possibility of Spirits, but is not really evidence of that either. Seeing such a thing is not all that informative, for it may not actually be something that exists the way we assume it does. It may very well be some sort of naturally occuring Illusion.
 
Ghosts aren't real.

Most of the time it's just people freaking themselves out. It's instinct when your feeling vulnerable, dark basement, strange drafty house, etc. It's also contagious. Someone, all spooked out, goes "did you hear that!?" Most likely your going to start listening very hard for some kind of house creak and then your going to jump up and down and go "holy shit what was that!?" when you hear something.
 
The existence of ghosts wouldn't be incompatible with religion or evolution, I would think.
 
Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Oh, I'd also ask for next weeks lottery numbers. 🙂
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You should just do that in OT and ask people to post them next week when the draw has been made. Who knows, maybe the time warp will result in them being posted early enough for you to benefit...
 
If I was absolutely convinced I had seen a ghost it still wouldn't affect my beliefs regarding religion or evolution.
 
Another thought: If our eyes are limited to perceiving only a narrow spectrum of light, I've always thought that there must be tons of "things/forms" that exist that we simply cannot see.

What if ghosts are natural forms of life that exist on earth that we simply cannot see. But then again, I have no explanation on how they interact with the world (ie if we can bump into them, or if they can walk through matter)
 
If I had exhausted all other possible explanations, then yes, I'd believe in ghosts.

And, if in another week or so, a 6 foot tall bunny hops into my house & shits out a bunch of funny colored hard boiled eggs, and some chocolate candy shaped like itself, and proceeds to hide everything in my house, then yes, I'd believe in the Easter Bunny.

And then, if in another 8 months or so, I awaken to a noise on the roof, have a fat man slide down the chimney & pop out of my coal stove with a big bag of toys, then do some winking and stuff, go up the chimney, and take off in a sleigh pulled by a bunch of flying reindeer, then I'd change my belief system as far as Santa Claus is concerned.

And, when I get into my car, if I take a quick look under the hood and see a little gremlin pulling on wires, then...
And Unicorns,
And Pink Elephants,
And Honest Politicians...
😛
 
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