If you order your torturers to find certain information....

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techs

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclat...5/pl_mcclatchy/3234269

Cheney said Gitmo detainees revealed Iraq-al Qaida link

WASHINGTON ? Then-Vice President Dick Cheney , defending the invasion of Iraq , asserted in 2004 that detainees interrogated at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp had revealed that Iraq had trained al Qaida operatives in chemical and biological warfare, an assertion that wasn't true.

Cheney's 2004 comments to the now-defunct Rocky Mountain News were largely overlooked at the time. However, they appear to substantiate recent reports that interrogators at Guantanamo and other prison camps were ordered to find evidence of alleged cooperation between al Qaida and the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein ? despite CIA reports that there were only sporadic, insignificant contacts between the militant Islamic group and the secular Iraqi dictatorship.

The head of the Criminal Investigation Task Force at Guantanamo from 2002-2005 confirmed to McClatchy that in late 2002 and early 2003, intelligence officials were tasked to find, among other things, Iraq -al Qaida ties, which were a central pillar of the Bush administration's case for its March 2003 invasion of Iraq .

"I'm aware of the fact that in late 2002, early 2003, that (the alleged al Qaida-Iraq link) was an interest on the intelligence side," said retired Army Lt. Col. Brittain Mallow , a former military criminal investigator. "That was something they were tasked to look at."

He said he was unaware of the origins of the directive, but a former senior U.S. intelligence official has told McClatchy that Cheney's and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's offices were demanding that information in 2002 and 2003. The official, who wasn't authorized to speak publicly on the matter, requested anonymity.

During the same period, two alleged senior al Qaida operatives in CIA custody were waterboarded repeatedly ? Abu Zubaydah at least 83 times and Khalid Sheik Mohammed at least 183 times.

A 2004 Senate Intelligence Committee report said that the two were questioned about the relationship between al Qaida and Iraq , and that both denied knowing of one.

A U.S. Army psychiatrist, Maj. Paul Burney , told the Army Inspector General's office in 2006 that during the same period, interrogators at Guantanamo were under pressure to produce evidence of al Qaida-Iraq ties, but were unable to do so.

"The more frustrated people got in not being able to establish that link . . . there was more and more pressure to resort to measures that might produce more immediate results," Burney said, according excerpts of an interview published in a declassified Senate Armed Services Committee report released on April 22 .



Cliffs:

Cheney and Rumsfeld ordered Gitmo torturers to get evidence that Al-Qaida had trained Iraqis in biological warfare. And guess what? If you torture people long enough they will tell you whatever you want to hear. Even when its not true.

And Cheney will then use the false information to prove he was right.

Cheney is a Dick.
 

halik

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I'm fairly certain that they will go down as the worst administration the US has ever had. Nixon is doing the happy dance in his grave.
 

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Originally posted by: halik
I'm fairly certain that they will go down as the worst administration the US has ever had. Nixon is doing the happy dance in his grave.

Did it look like Thriller? LINK
 

Craig234

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The Bush administration had reasons for invading Iraq that were not politically usable, and so they picked some for publicity that were publically usable.

Those were primarily WMD and - not because they had any reason to believe it true but because it would be politically useful - an Al-Queda-Saddam 9/11 link.

Because it would be so politically valuable to have that link, Cheney approved waterboarding to get a confession it existed. While it would be false, it'd be politically useful. At the least, he could pretend that he had believed it, which would be a lot better than it being clear he had no reason to reach that conclusion but for politics.

Waterboarding is most useful for false confessions. He used it for its main purpose, to try to get a false confession.

For all the talk of the ticking bomb scenario - which I do not agree with - this was clearly waterboarding not to prevent any attacks, but waterboarding for political CYA.

The right needs to answer the question, do they condone torture for political convenience, or do they support the conviction of Cheney (and possibly Bush) for crimes upon proof?
 

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The biggest part of this deal is that we may now have Cheney ordering the torture of a guy that was a POW, not an "enemy combatant". There is no wiggle room, no weaseling out of a war crime this time. A clear violation of U.S. and international law.

Let's get on the ball proving this.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
The biggest part of this deal is that we may now have Cheney ordering the torture of a guy that was a POW, not an "enemy combatant". There is no wiggle room, no weaseling out of a war crime this time. A clear violation of U.S. and international law.

Let's get on the ball proving this.

Unfortunately, there's plenty of wiggle room insofar as the AG can simply decline to prosecute it. That's where it's up to us to push Obama to do the right thing.

We shouldn't have to? FDR had a good line when he told people who wanted him to take bolder steps that he encouraged them to force him to do so.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Barry is pro-torture rendition style, it's a different name for the same act.

Yea, but that's never stopped the "bush circle jerk" before, and I don't think it will now... America going down the tubes, and the fringe left continue to focus on Cheney. Isn't the left about "change" and moving on? Those just seem like slogans to make people drink the koolaid. Sad and pathetic..
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: fallout man
hey guys, what's goin' on in this thread?

The OP is about how torture was used to get people to confess to what Mr Cheney wanted to be true. That Iraq was involved with the attacks on the US in Sept 2001.

Some forum members are trying to divert the thread onto an attack on Mr Obama.
 

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Story exemplifies why torture is a flawed instrument for intelligence gathering.

Larger point is that the Dick and W show doctored-up an 8 year long paranoid fantasy with bogus evidence to do the worst possible.

These miscreants really deserve to rot in some pansy white-collar jail.
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: fallout man
hey guys, what's goin' on in this thread?

The OP is about how torture was used to get people to confess to what Mr Cheney wanted to be true. That Iraq was involved with the attacks on the US in Sept 2001.

Some forum members are trying to divert the thread onto an attack on Mr Obama.

Ah, I see that now.

Thanks! :shocked:
 
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