If you live off govt handouts, we should make the milk as sour as possible

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JEDI

JEDI

Lifer
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why isn't this done?

why aren't a ton of restrictions placed on people on welfare/food stamps and/or getting the Earned Income Credit?

ie:
no cable, no pets, no cell phones
are cigarettes barred from the food stamp debit cards?
if you live in govt housing, you must do 8hrs community service around your housing unit every week.
etc

if you can afford them, then you don't need govt handouts
 
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fskimospy

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JEDI said:
why isn't this done?

why aren't restrictions placed on people on welfare/food stamps and/or getting the Earned Income Credit?

ie:
no cable, no pets, no cell phones
are cigarettes barred from the food stamp debit cards?
if you live in govt housing, you must do 8hrs community service around your housing unit every week.
etc

if you can afford them, then you don't need gove handouts
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If someone loses their job and has to go on food stamps you're going to send the police to confiscate their dog? Pretty twisted. You want everyone in government housing to be put on community service projects? What projects, exactly? You realize this will make the cost of the programs much higher to the taxpayers, right?

I don't think you've thought this through.
 
IronWing

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Will the same rules apply to farm welfare? To oil and gas company welfare? Ethanol welfare? Rancher welfare? Alt energy welfare? Work for a ethanol refinery? No pets, no cell phone, no cable for you.
 
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nehalem256

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IronWing said:
Will the same rules apply to farm welfare? To oil and gas company welfare? Ethanol welfare? Rancher welfare? Alt energy welfare? Work for a ethanol refinery? No pets, no cell phone, no cable for you.
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I don't think you understand what welfare is.
 
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realibrad

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Oct 18, 2013
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Because it would cost more than it would save.

Same reason drug testing was dropped. Turns out the poor people are not abusing it enough to save more than the expense of investigation.

Go figure.
 
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nehalem256

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Genx87 said:
How is allowing expensing for R&D and Exploration a subsidy?

Anyways how many billions has the govt collected from these energy companies over that same time span?
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I think more importantly you missed:

Foreign tax credit ($15.3 billion)
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Apparently if income isn't tax twice it counts as corporate welfare now according to liberals D:
 
dank69

dank69

Lifer
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Yes. It's poor people that are the problem. Way to out yourself as a disgusting human being.
 
feralkid

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Just kill all the poor already; you know you want to!

I'm sure they and all of their families and friends would thank you.

History has proven time and again that stepping all over the poor makes a nation great.



Next up: Killing ethnic minorities for fun and profit.
 
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Darwin333

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nehalem256 said:
That may be an example of how screwed up our tax system is, but it isn't and example of welfare.

Maybe we should just set the marginal corporate tax rate at 100% then we can say that all corporate profits exist purely due to government welfare! :sneaky:
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How is it any different? Both directly profit from the government. You are arguing semantics, what matters is the cost to the .gov not who actually cuts the check (or doesn't have to anymore) to who.
 
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nehalem256

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Darwin333 said:
How is it any different? Both directly profit from the government. You are arguing semantics, what matters is the cost to the .gov not who actually cuts the check (or doesn't have to anymore) to who.
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That is where you are wrong. If the government sets the marginal corporate rate at 35%(among the highest in the world) and then gives you credits/deductions/etc to reduce it to an effective tax rate of 20% you are not directly profiting from the government.

As I said. Why not set the marginal rate at 100% and then liberals can claim all corporate "profits" are a result of welfare?
 
Rakehellion

Rakehellion

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Jan 15, 2013
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are cigarettes barred from the food stamp debit cards?
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So you know jack shit about the food stamp program but have harsh criticisms of it. Go figure.

if you live in govt housing, you must do 8hrs community service around your housing unit every week.
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Sure, as long as they get paid for it. Like a job. This would be great if there were actually that much labor to go around, but there isn't. This would be great if all of these people were able-bodied, but they aren't.
 
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nehalem256

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Rakehellion said:
People aren't impoverished because they send a thank you card to grandma once a year. Don't be dense.
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My point is there is a big difference between expecting poor people to eat their dogs before receiving food stamps and imposing no limits on their government charity. Don't be dense.
 
Rakehellion

Rakehellion

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nehalem256 said:
That is where you are wrong. If the government sets the marginal corporate rate at 35%(among the highest in the world)
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Since when to conservatives care about anywhere else in the world?

Bottom line, you're getting free money from the government.
 
Rakehellion

Rakehellion

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nehalem256 said:
My point is there is a big difference between expecting poor people to eat their dogs before receiving food stamps and imposing no limits on their government charity. Don't be dense.
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I still don't see what your point is. Poor people aren't allowed to give or receive gifts because they're poor? Is that what's ruining this country? Being kind?
 
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nehalem256

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Rakehellion said:
Since when to conservatives care about anywhere else in the world?

Bottom line, you're getting free money from the government.
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And that is where I take issue. Because in many or most cases of corporate welfare that isn't true. The corporation is just sending a smaller check to the government.
 
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nageov3t

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if there's one thing that'll make it easier for a person who's down on their luck to find a new job, it's having to work 8 hours/week in community service and having their phone confiscated.
 
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nehalem256

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loki8481 said:
if there's one thing that'll make it easier for a person who's down on their luck to find a new job, it's having to work 8 hours/week in community service and having their phone confiscated.
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And popping out 3 bastard kids with 3 baby daddies(2 of whom are in prison) isn't exactly what I would call "down on your luck".
 
Newell Steamer

Newell Steamer

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This should apply to subsidies as well.

Heck, even if a company isn't making profits, they should not recieve government money.

And, why should they? Isn't the CEO who makes $80 million a year (sans bonus) smart enough to figure out how to get out of the red, or fund whatever project/initiative they claim they need Uncle Sam to pay for?

Subsidies are like giving a fat diabetic a chocolate cake, feeding it to him and moving his jaw up and down to chew it.
 
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