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werepossum

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Quotes from Jesus on the poor according to the bible:

Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

'Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. 'Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.


Luke 4:16-19 When he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, he went to the synagogue on the sabbath day, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written:

'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour.'


Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."


Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."

Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

Luke 16:19-25 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man's table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried.

In Hades, where he was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony.

Luke 11:39-42 Then the Lord said to him, "Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? So give for alms those things that are within; and see, everything will be clean for you. "But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God

Luke 12:16-21 Then he told them a parable: "The land of a rich man produced abundantly. And he thought to himself, 'What should I do, for I have no place to store my crops?' Then he said, 'I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, 'Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.' But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life is being demanded of you. And the things you have prepared, whose will they be?' So it is with those who store up treasures for themselves but are not rich toward God."

Acts 20:35
In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Deuteronomy 15:11
For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

1 Timothy 5:8

But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Leviticus 25:35

“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you.

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And I might add there are so many sayings in the bible about helping the poor, feeding, clothing and taking care of those who cannot help themselves it would take a book for me to paste it on here. But I guess so called "good christians" seem to ignore these teachings of the bible.. right?
Apparently I confused you by using "Caesar" to represent government. Sorry. But please notice that in not one of those attributions was Jesus calling for government to step in to take care of the poor.

I particularly like this.
Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."
It has never failed to amuse me that the left uses this verse. How can you not understand that while giving from one's abundance is much less Christian than is giving from one's poverty, giving from someone else's abundance is incredibly less Christian?
 

Orignal Earl

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Oh yes and the poor shouldn't have hot and cold water, and flushing toilets either! How dare them! You and your ilk like to bring up words like TV's and cellphones to continue your war on the poor and continue to demonize them. Most of the poor started out with jobs, and had things like TV's and cellphones, many became unemployed or sick and lost their jobs, yet you would point fingers at them because they have a TV or a cell phone. You guys are really fucking pathetic.

Ya, I'm mostly on your side with this believe it or not
I agree the Welfare life ain't pretty

These poor, ill and elderly are not getting a free ride by any means, and if it's so damned great like you all make it out to be, why the hell aren't you doing it? Oh yea, thats because it isn't a free ride, and its a very hard life! How very judgemental and selfish of you all, you don't deserve to call yourself christians. Your just cloaked in christianity to suit your purposes of condemning and judging others.

I was just trying to tell you that most "Christian" people follow their "rules"
They will treat you just fine no matter who you are
You never get to Middle America? Some of the finest people in the world
The poorer ones being some of the most giving
Those types aren't here typing I would guess
They are at work right now, (if there is any) and then its supper then some radio and then prayers and bed


They hear about how some entitled shits out there getting TV's and iphones and what not and figure that's not how it's done

They hear about those shits from some radio station before bed
Lot's of people listen to that crap
They aren't hearing it from their preacher in most cases, up a few more levels and that's when it starts to happen
;)
 
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Oldgamer

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Apparently I confused you by using "Caesar" to represent government. Sorry. But please notice that in not one of those attributions was Jesus calling for government to step in to take care of the poor.

I particularly like this.

It has never failed to amuse me that the left uses this verse. How can you not understand that while giving from one's abundance is much less Christian than is giving from one's poverty, giving from someone else's abundance is incredibly less Christian?

Jesus spelled out exactly what his priorities are in Matthew 25: 31-46. Conservative Christians would do well to learn those priorities. If the ‘downfall of our great nation’ occurs, it will be because we ignored them. It’s happened before: “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.” ~ Ezekiel 16:49
 

Moonbeam

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I'm asserting that most people on welfare are/have been engaging in bad behavior OR bad judgment, yes. It's not like there's a lottery where randomly selected people are ordered to be welfare recipients.

Perhaps you can tell me then, why you didn't choose to be rich like I am? Why did you go for such an inferior way of life? Why is your judgment so defective? I know that the choices I've made, posting here from the Trianon Palace in Versailles, and on to dinner tonight in the Eiffel Tower, are but the results of a superior life, one that I can't comprehend why you haven't emulated, yourself.
 

Moonbeam

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Op is right on cable and cigs. There needs to be restrictions on welfare instead of giving them everything.

Dear God, why on earth was such a worthlessly ungrateful piece of shit like you given the riches of modern Western culture? Does your shit not smell like the shit of the poor? Will you not rot one day as they do?
 

piasabird

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Actually if you don't have access to a cellphone, it may not be possible to call the police or order Pizza. Seen Many Pay phones lately?

I could see a prohibition on booze and MJ and Tobacco products. Really what makes all of those so expensive are government taxes.
 
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chucky2

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Perhaps you can tell me then, why you didn't choose to be rich like I am? Why did you go for such an inferior way of life? Why is your judgment so defective? I know that the choices I've made, posting here from the Trianon Palace in Versailles, and on to dinner tonight in the Eiffel Tower, are but the results of a superior life, one that I can't comprehend why you haven't emulated, yourself.

Possibly for the same reason that, if you are as well off as you purport yourself to be, that you haven't used your wealth to instead help all these poor welfare cases? Sounds like you have a lot of self hate built up... :(
 

JockoJohnson

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Actually if you don't have access to a cellphone, it may not be possible to call the police or order Pizza. Seen Many Pay phones lately?

I could see a prohibition on booze and MJ and Tobacco products. Really what makes all of those so expensive are government taxes.

Lol, why call the police and call to order pizza separately...much easier to call 911 to have your pizza delivered for you. Hopefully there are those of you that get the reference to a 911 call and McNuggets.

And back on topic, I am all for welfare for the truly needy. There isn't enough church charity to provide for all those that need it. I am against giving it to the truly worthless that have the Access Cards while driving around in their Lexus with rims that cost more than their house. And for those of you that doubt it, you can go F* yourselves. I have relatives in North Philly and I see it every time I go there. I am sure North Philly isn't the only area that has this occur either in the country.
 

chucky2

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Here in Chi area I watch them buy Pepsi and Cheetos on the public dime while driving a car newer than mine, dressed in clothes newer than mine. Or I stand in line at the store buying necessities and watch them buying item after item that is legitimate food, however, it's not necessary food, but instead, nice to haves. Then we are told these repeated cases, that we witness first hand over and over, are just anecdotal. Best action is to fully embrace the Spender mentality and advocate for getting yours on the public dime as well. Why not? You're paying for it anyways...
 

Moonbeam

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Possibly for the same reason that, if you are as well off as you purport yourself to be, that you haven't used your wealth to instead help all these poor welfare cases? Sounds like you have a lot of self hate built up... :(

In order to claim I don't help, you would have to know what help really is, You don't know how to help the poor so, actually, you have know idea if I do or not.
 

JEDIYoda

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Possibly for the same reason that, if you are as well off as you purport yourself to be, that you haven't used your wealth to instead help all these poor welfare cases? Sounds like you have a lot of self hate built up...
Jealous much??
 

chucky2

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In order to claim I don't help, you would have to know what help really is, You don't know how to help the poor so, actually, you have know idea if I do or not.

I can't help you hate the poor so much you'd rather see them suffer than help them when you clearly have the means to do so. Look within to find the source of your hate. Perhaps vacation in Englewood instead? Robbins?

Jealous much??

Not a bit. I'm quite satisfied with my personal life as it is...perfect balance for me of disposable income, duties, and free time. Given my situation I'm doing more than just fine...
 

realibrad

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The thing is this.

Welfare is set up because we feel icky that some people are very very poor. Welfare is supposed to give a lifestyle to the poor that we feel is nice. The problem is that some poor people use welfare for things that are not good for them. That makes others feel like we need to shape welfare so the poor cant use it for bad things. The problem is trying to stop the poor from doing bad things is super expensive.

If society feels like they have to do something, its better to just give them x amount of money, and that be it. Because trying to get them to do the "right" thing is too expensive.
 

Moonbeam

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I can't help you hate the poor so much you'd rather see them suffer than help them when you clearly have the means to do so. Look within to find the source of your hate. Perhaps vacation in Englewood instead? Robbins?



Not a bit. I'm quite satisfied with my personal life as it is...perfect balance for me of disposable income, duties, and free time. Given my situation I'm doing more than just fine...

Huh? I am making a lot of socialists here in Europe a lot of money and they are paying taxes which redistribute that wealth. You may think of yourself as some self-contented success story, made possible by the bubble reality fantasy of what your actual duties really are, but I am glad you at least are unconsciously aware that it would actually benefit the poor to give them money. In a socialized society, one supported by me every time I vote, I help the poor by voting for their welfare, and every time I spend taxable funds. Just imagine how much happier I am than you. You hate the world that I am happy in, the world created by liberal brains, minds that can actually reason even though in reality it's why you also have what you do. You would hate the world you would willingly vote to create, if folk like me weren't there to out-vote you. You are welcome. You are fortunate to be surrounded by superior minds.
 

Jhhnn

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And back on topic, I am all for welfare for the truly needy. There isn't enough church charity to provide for all those that need it. I am against giving it to the truly worthless that have the Access Cards while driving around in their Lexus with rims that cost more than their house. And for those of you that doubt it, you can go F* yourselves. I have relatives in North Philly and I see it every time I go there. I am sure North Philly isn't the only area that has this occur either in the country

And you just know that the people driving the Lexus with rims are receiving public assistance how, exactly? Did you talk to them, at which point they revealed their situation, or what?

Or are you just making assumptions based on what you want to believe?

That whole schtick is one of the great shibboleths of right wing racism.
 

bpatters69

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I do not want to speak for the OP but the point is that if you are on wellfare and you are not incented to get off wellfare, you will never get off wellfare. A very simple concept but that is reality. I certainly do not advocate the end of wellfare for those who need it but I do not want to see generations and generations who have learned to work the system, sit on wellfare vs. getting off their butts.

Wellfare should be termporary relief as a people\families\individuals are given time to right the ship and to get themselves back on track. I would not deny that there are those who due to handicap or disability will require wellfare for their entire lives. Unfortunately, there are way too many who leech onto the wellfare system as an and end vs a means to an end or a JOB.
 

JockoJohnson

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And you just know that the people driving the Lexus with rims are receiving public assistance how, exactly? Did you talk to them, at which point they revealed their situation, or what?

Or are you just making assumptions based on what you want to believe?

That whole schtick is one of the great shibboleths of right wing racism.

I am a stalker. I happened to be behind him in line and had a quick item to check out. Noticed that they paid with the Access Card and was going out the door as he was getting in his car. I don't assume all people are like this. But please don't be so stupid to think that this doesn't happen. We know it happens and to ignore it is stupid.

I am all for the removal of welfare for business and stricter rules for welfare for people. How about we take all those new jobs that Obama created in the IRS and have them monitor welfare....or better yet, create even more jobs and have those people in the new jobs monitor welfare abuse. Or are you too afraid that might reduce the amount of votes you buy with handing out welfare?
 

nehalem256

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I am all for the removal of welfare for business and stricter rules for welfare for people. How about we take all those new jobs that Obama created in the IRS and have them monitor welfare....or better yet, create even more jobs and have those people in the new jobs monitor welfare abuse. Or are you too afraid that might reduce the amount of votes you buy with handing out welfare?

I think he is upset by having to even talk about defining certain things as welfare abuse.

I mean we have people defending using foodstamps to buy gift baskets(which is currently allowed o_O).

Seems pretty clear that the real issue is that liberals don't think it is possible to abuse welfare.
 

JockoJohnson

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I think he is upset by having to even talk about defining certain things as welfare abuse.

I mean we have people defending using foodstamps to buy gift baskets(which is currently allowed o_O).

Seems pretty clear that the real issue is that liberals don't think it is possible to abuse welfare.

I could see his point. I mean, none of the other government programs ever get abused so clearly welfare must not be getting abused.
 

Jhhnn

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I am a stalker. I happened to be behind him in line and had a quick item to check out. Noticed that they paid with the Access Card and was going out the door as he was getting in his car. I don't assume all people are like this. But please don't be so stupid to think that this doesn't happen. We know it happens and to ignore it is stupid.

I am all for the removal of welfare for business and stricter rules for welfare for people. How about we take all those new jobs that Obama created in the IRS and have them monitor welfare....or better yet, create even more jobs and have those people in the new jobs monitor welfare abuse. Or are you too afraid that might reduce the amount of votes you buy with handing out welfare?

In other words, you got nothin' other than contrivance to support your propaganda induced worldview. And maybe one guy, if you're not bullshitting us entirely. Good to know.

Buying votes? Heh. Repubs buy votes, indirectly, by keeping the Faithful frothed up with the usual agitprop.