If you like torture you should love this read

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This human rights attorney was recently taken by Chinese authorities and beaten around for a couple of months, then released, but after recounting what happened was taken again and has now been missing for more than three months. After being beaten and finally having his genitals pierced with toothpicks he started giving the authorities what they wanted to hear--whatever he could make up to appease them.

If you really do think there are times when torture is valid you should have the fortitude and honor to read detailed accounts of it and what it entails.

 

[Stuxnet]

"like torture" = "pro abortion"

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

I see your point, but it's not precisely the same, as truly some do revel in torture and like it, and I'm not just talking about the sadists committing it. Nobody revels in abortion or would cheer it.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

I see your point, but it's not precisely the same, as truly some do revel in torture and like it, and I'm not just talking about the sadists committing it. Nobody revels in abortion or would cheer it.

Fair enough :thumbsup:

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?

I gave absolutely no indication of my own personal beliefs, and they are not relevant to the statement I made, so I'm not taking the bait. Sorry.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?

I gave absolutely no indication of my own personal beliefs, and they are not relevant to the statement I made, so I'm not taking the bait. Sorry.

The point still stands.

 

[Craig234]

Signed the petition. IMO we should make a political issue of China's human rights abuses.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?

I gave absolutely no indication of my own personal beliefs, and they are not relevant to the statement I made, so I'm not taking the bait. Sorry.

The point still stands.

And what point would that be?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?

I gave absolutely no indication of my own personal beliefs, and they are not relevant to the statement I made, so I'm not taking the bait. Sorry.

The point still stands.

And what point would that be?

Are you daft?

"So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?"

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?

I gave absolutely no indication of my own personal beliefs, and they are not relevant to the statement I made, so I'm not taking the bait. Sorry.

The point still stands.

And what point would that be?

Are you daft?

"So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?"

Making a point generally requires making a statement. You did not make a statement, you asked a question, for which I was obviously looking for clarification, not a cut and paste. WHEN YOU SAY 'so you have no problem with it', ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE TERMINOLOGY, THE ACT OF ABORTION, OR THE ACT OF TORTURE?

It's logical that you're referring to the terminology, but I wanted to make sure I was addressing the correct question.

Jackhole

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?

I gave absolutely no indication of my own personal beliefs, and they are not relevant to the statement I made, so I'm not taking the bait. Sorry.

Ball-less wonder post then?? Back peddle much? What's the point of your unrelevant opinions?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: jbourne77
"like torture" = "pro abortion"

Wrong. Torture isn't a personal choice.

You've misunderstood the point. Saying someone "likes" torture is as ridiculous as saying someone "likes" abortion.

So you have no problem with it when it is used even by someone other than yourself?

I gave absolutely no indication of my own personal beliefs, and they are not relevant to the statement I made, so I'm not taking the bait. Sorry.

Ball-less wonder post then?? Back peddle much? What's the point of your unrelevant opinions?

It has nothing to do with being ball-less and there was zero back peddling. The fact - which remains regardless of my personal beliefs - is that the term "pro abortion" is incendiary and deliberately misrepresents the stance, much like the term "pro torture" does, as well. The same holds true for "likes abortion" and "likes torture".

The OP gets it, so why is it so difficult for you tree stumps to get it? What do my personal beliefs in torture or abortion have to do with the sensational labeling? You're just trolling in an effort to divert attention from the real point being made (which really wasn't on topic, either; had I realized it would have sucked in the trolls like this, I probably wouldn't have said anything) so you could instigate a flame war.

If it will help your little brains to move on and address the actual issue I brought up, allow me to clarify my beliefs, as irrelevant as they are to the point at hand: I am against torture (but haven't always been) and am against abortion when there are not extenuating circumstances such as health endangerment, rape, incest, etc.

I hate being such an enabler 😉 .

 

[rchiu]

I am just gonna say it. I have problem with torture being used on someone exercising his right to freedom of speech and other rights. But absolutely no problem at all when it's used in a war on enemy who has declared war on my country and intends to kill me, my family and my countryman.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: rchiu
I am just gonna say it. I have problem with torture being used on someone exercising his right to freedom of speech and other rights. But absolutely no problem at all when it's used in a war on enemy who has declared war on my country and intends to kill me, my family and my countryman.

Exactly how the Chinese feel about it. That son of a bitch is a threat to their countrymen. There are no evil monsters in the world, only blind assholes like you doing what's right and proper.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rchiu
I am just gonna say it. I have problem with torture being used on someone exercising his right to freedom of speech and other rights. But absolutely no problem at all when it's used in a war on enemy who has declared war on my country and intends to kill me, my family and my countryman.

Exactly how the Chinese feel about it. That son of a bitch is a threat to their countrymen. There are no evil monsters in the world, only blind assholes like you doing what's right and proper.

I am sure there are some Chinese who feels that way. Everyone got some kind of opinion and view from extreme left to right to somewhere in the middle. The question is if that opinion or view reflects the fact.

And you are the blind asshole if you don't believe there are evil monster in the world. Just because America has been safe and hasn't suffer much tragedy in war doesn't mean there is no entity evil enough to commit crime like Nanking massacre or Holocaust. To ignore that kind of evil exists and not do the things necessary to counter those evil is naive and weak.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rchiu
I am just gonna say it. I have problem with torture being used on someone exercising his right to freedom of speech and other rights. But absolutely no problem at all when it's used in a war on enemy who has declared war on my country and intends to kill me, my family and my countryman.

Exactly how the Chinese feel about it. That son of a bitch is a threat to their countrymen. There are no evil monsters in the world, only blind assholes like you doing what's right and proper.

I am sure there are some Chinese who feels that way. Everyone got some kind of opinion and view from extreme left to right to somewhere in the middle. The question is if that opinion or view reflects the fact.

And you are the blind asshole if you don't believe there are evil monster in the world. Just because America has been safe and hasn't suffer much tragedy in war doesn't mean there is no entity evil enough to commit crime like Nanking massacre or Holocaust. To ignore that kind of evil exists and not do the things necessary to counter those evil is naive and weak.

You really don't get it because you are blind. Nanjing and the Holocaust were just such sophisticated and tough answers to the entity of evil. The entity of evil always acts in the name of the good. It always justifies its own evil by projecting that evil out there. Evil always acts to save us from greater evil and is thus the greatest evil.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rchiu
I am just gonna say it. I have problem with torture being used on someone exercising his right to freedom of speech and other rights. But absolutely no problem at all when it's used in a war on enemy who has declared war on my country and intends to kill me, my family and my countryman.

Exactly how the Chinese feel about it. That son of a bitch is a threat to their countrymen. There are no evil monsters in the world, only blind assholes like you doing what's right and proper.

I am sure there are some Chinese who feels that way. Everyone got some kind of opinion and view from extreme left to right to somewhere in the middle. The question is if that opinion or view reflects the fact.

And you are the blind asshole if you don't believe there are evil monster in the world. Just because America has been safe and hasn't suffer much tragedy in war doesn't mean there is no entity evil enough to commit crime like Nanking massacre or Holocaust. To ignore that kind of evil exists and not do the things necessary to counter those evil is naive and weak.

You really don't get it because you are blind. Nanjing and the Holocaust were just such sophisticated and tough answers to the entity of evil. The entity of evil always acts in the name of the good. It always justifies its own evil by projecting that evil out there. Evil always acts to save us from greater evil and is thus the greatest evil.

But you don't deny there is evil out there correct? Everyone of course is going to say they act in the name of the good, both people who commit evil act and those doing really righteous act. The question is who is to determine what's evil and what's righteous.

In the end, torture is just a tool, just like gun. They both cause pain and suffering. They both can be used to commit crime and evil deed, or used for self protection. You have to first ask yourself why you are using the tool, and of course very often the reason you use the tool can only be judged by history.

 

[Moonbeam]

r: In the end, torture is just a tool, just like gun. They both cause pain and suffering. They both can be used to commit crime and evil deed, or used for self protection. You have to first ask yourself why you are using the tool, and of course very often the reason you use the tool can only be judged by history.

M: How sad that a human being can grow to adulthood, you are an adult, no, and be able to say with a straight face and seriously that torture is a tool like a gun.

Surely you are emotionally dead.

Torture is an act of will. A gun is a thing. They are not the same thing in any way. A gun has no will and can't do or be evil, but a human who tortures is a piece of shit, a worthless piece of slime. A person who tortures is a deep coward who has no faith in or understanding of the meaning of life. History can't change what is absolute.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rchiu
I am just gonna say it. I have problem with torture being used on someone exercising his right to freedom of speech and other rights. But absolutely no problem at all when it's used in a war on enemy who has declared war on my country and intends to kill me, my family and my countryman.

Exactly how the Chinese feel about it. That son of a bitch is a threat to their countrymen. There are no evil monsters in the world, only blind assholes like you doing what's right and proper.

"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill

That about sums it up. You can't have a "peaceful world" unless you have some people that are willing to do whatever it takes to protect it.
Appeasment as pansies would like us to believe in,doesn't work. All it does is stall the inevitable.

You know what, what the Chinese do in their country is between them and their people. It's none of our damn business unless it directly relates to the safety of our nation.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Link

This human rights attorney was recently taken by Chinese authorities and beaten around for a couple of months, then released, but after recounting what happened was taken again and has now been missing for more than three months. After being beaten and finally having his genitals pierced with toothpicks he started giving the authorities what they wanted to hear--whatever he could make up to appease them.

If you really do think there are times when torture is valid you should have the fortitude and honor to read detailed accounts of it and what it entails.

And you dare compare that torture on a public defender to waterboarding three high value Islamic Terrorists? That you cannot recognize the difference is by itself utterly disgusting.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: rchiu
I am just gonna say it. I have problem with torture being used on someone exercising his right to freedom of speech and other rights. But absolutely no problem at all when it's used in a war on enemy who has declared war on my country and intends to kill me, my family and my countryman.

Exactly how the Chinese feel about it. That son of a bitch is a threat to their countrymen. There are no evil monsters in the world, only blind assholes like you doing what's right and proper.

If we felt the same way as the Chinese, you'd already be missing. That is the key point, who is our target? Religious fanatics who've killed people. The Chinese target any and all dissent.

That you equate mutilating a public defender to waterboarding Islamic Terrorists is all that needs to be said.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
That you equate mutilating a public defender to waterboarding Islamic Terrorists is all that needs to be said.

Torture is torture. There are degrees. All are illegal. Raping someone for 1 second or 1 hour is still rape. One is worse, it doesn't make the lesser wrong legal. This comparative thing you people have going is really wrongheaded. "Our tortures aren't as bad as theirs" is not a flattering argument, and worse, it admits torture, which is categorically illegal and immoral.

If you stood in a public place in Saudi Arabia and called Allah a dickhead, the government would jail or kill you if the citizenry didn't get you first. Let's say the US passed a law prohibiting religious hate speech and the penalty was a fine. Would you argue that what we do is so much less offensive to free speech because, hey, we don't jail or kill anyone, we just make you pay a fine! The answer is the comparison doesn't matter. Such a law is a violation of our values, is unconstitutional, regardless of how the Saudi's or the Chinese or Al Qaeda treats such statements.