If you got a new car would you get it with Nav?

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yh125d

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Many advantages of getting it from the factory built into your car.

1) Resale is higher for cars with NAV

2) The car is built around the NAV system
a. The music quiets when the NAV is speaking
b. Larger screens can be used in a car
c. No worry about someone stealing your GPS out of your car

3) Vehicle warranty (3 years 36K miles) is normally longer than that of a Garmin or other GPS manufacturer. With an extended warranty is could be much longer.

4) The Car GPS is positioned so that you can easily see it. Trying to stick up a 5 or 6 inch GPS on your windshield or dash will block your view or block important instrument gauges.

5)Many factory GPS units can also be used as a video screen for movies and/or TV watching. You can purchase a special cable to use your phone or a portable DVD player. These can be found on Ebay. Yes, it’s not legal to have a TV playing in view of the driver, but I’m assuming that you will only watch TV when parked.

1) you don't get back what you pay extra for, this is not an advantage. It's like saying "you should pay $3000 extra for this honda instead, so in 5 years you can sell it for $1000 more than that ford"

2) a: my android nav does the same thing when playing music through my stereo

b: if you're listening to the directions, you don't need the screen...

c: meh, I've got full coverage

3) Modern handheld electronics will almost always last well over 3 years without failure

4) The in dash nav's I've used haven't been that easy to see, they don't obstruct your vision, but you have to take your eyes completely off the road. With my phone, I can just hold it at the top of my steering wheel and glance down for a second. Much safer IMO. Same goes for windshield mounts, which if you place them correctly don't obstruct any part of the windshield you actually need to see out of

5) my phone has netflix and youtube, plus any videos I want to put on it, but if I'm gonna be sitting in my car for awhile watching stuff I'll just bring my laptop instead
 

KentState

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1) you don't get back what you pay extra for, this is not an advantage. It's like saying "you should pay $3000 extra for this honda instead, so in 5 years you can sell it for $1000 more than that ford"

2) a: my android nav does the same thing when playing music through my stereo

b: if you're listening to the directions, you don't need the screen...

c: meh, I've got full coverage

3) Modern handheld electronics will almost always last well over 3 years without failure

4) The in dash nav's I've used haven't been that easy to see, they don't obstruct your vision, but you have to take your eyes completely off the road. With my phone, I can just hold it at the top of my steering wheel and glance down for a second. Much safer IMO. Same goes for windshield mounts, which if you place them correctly don't obstruct any part of the windshield you actually need to see out of

5) my phone has netflix and youtube, plus any videos I want to put on it, but if I'm gonna be sitting in my car for awhile watching stuff I'll just bring my laptop instead

1. Nothing to argue there.
2. So now you have to bring a plug, use your phone for music. How do you change music, change radio station and then answer calls while using nav? Does your nav speak or show you directions while talking to someone? Listening to directions only goes so far. It is nice to see lane suggestions or pin down how many side streets you have to pass before a turn. How well does your phone work when it doesn't have a signal?
3.My three year old Garmin already crapped out. They also discontinued the traffic support from MSN after two years. Guess those things are just as fallible.
4.OEM nav can project on your window with a HUD. How is it safer or easier to hold your phone while holding the steering wheel? That sounds really distracted, especially since you say you plug it in to your stereo to listen to music.
5. So, the solution is bring a laptop and listen to a movie on laptop speakers. Heck, car speakers aren't great, but they go way beyond the two 2" ones. Plus, now you have a laptop and gps in your car that are prime targets for theft.

I have tried everything for navigation from my orginal StreetPilot Color, Nuvi, OnStar, aftermarket Kenwood w/Garmin, Android/Blackberry/Windows 6, VZ Navigator, Sprint navigation and OEM. All of these were during periods of moving to new parts of the country so they were much needed. To me, there is nothing that can be a built in unit. The Kenwood was the best overall since it was Garmin nav and OEM is second.
 

ponyo

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Nope. I'm too cheap and prefer my phone and tablets. It's easier to update and I can simply replace it later with better hardware and software.

My android phone and tablet can do so much more than the built-in units and I can move it from car to car.
 

IcePickFreak

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This is why I say no. I don't want my car's POS old nav system to remind me how old it is when $100 buys something newer and better.

I haven't seen it but am surprised that somebody like Garmin hasn't partnered up with some car brands and said if you build a dock in the dashboard, we'll promise to release future GPS units that fit it perfectly. In this manner you get in dash nav that can be easily upgraded.That isn't an advantage; the initial cost the NAV is more than it increases resale by.

That would be my preferred way as well, and actually for the G8 you can do just that..
gpskit1-h.jpg


I thought about getting it but to be honest I don't use Nav that often and when I do my phone works just fine.

And yeah, that nice big screen wasn't offered with Nav in the US because it's too low according to our laws.
 

ballmode

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That G8 setup is SO COOL!

I've been wanting a G8 GT white or red... am I crazy?
Looking for at least 24-25 mpg highway, possible?
 

PhoKingGuy

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TBH, garmin blows chunks. I've used it in NYC/CA/SF it always told me to turn like 20 feet after I passed the turn, I actually had to look at the stupid small ass screen every few second to make sure I hadn't missed anything. Its graphics are ugly, its slow, I have a rats nest of wires all over my car, etc.

The best OEM Navi i've used so far is the Audi MMI, followed closely by iDrive then COMAND. iDrive has weird routing every now and then, but the interface is so well done and gorgeous/easy to use/functional that I don't mind.

COMAND looks like its from the mid 90's, but it works well enough. The routing is excellent though.

Can't beat using the "send to car" feature from google maps.
 

manimal

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If its new yes. The likelyhood of my buying new is pretty small. On used cars they are only good for the first few years after which any phone will do a better job as most here have said.

Heated seats are nice and become more important the older I get. Whats even more important to me these days is traction/stability control with real on off.
 

ballmode

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How are those aftermarket double din in dash Navigation/DVD/MP3/CD players?

I was interested in getting a 370z, and when I see people with them without the nav system they get this huge bin right above the climate controls, if they were to get the nav it would all be taken up.... decisions decisions.
 

Safeway

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I think the consensus is:

If you can afford OEM GPS, you get it and love it.

If you can't afford OEM GPS, you buy a crappy aftermarket unit and slander OEM GPS.
 

Ferzerp

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Actually, the high-end stand alone GPS units are far superior to any of the integrated systems as far as mapping, usability, voice control, etc are concerned, but it's just more convenient to have it built in.

The $99 cheap ones, not so much, but the top end models are really, really good (I have one that I use for business trips, and prefer it, but never have it in my own car)
 

vi edit

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Haven't turned on my Garmin since getting a smart phone. And I doubt I'd use a built in any more than my phone.
 

alkemyst

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Factory Nav always if available. Add on a portable if you want more features ever.
 

Ferzerp

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No, Google Nav on my phone is free and I don't have to worry about updates.


People who think this is equal have never driven in to an area with poor cell phone signal while relying on GPS nav. If you do any sort of business travel where you're finding yourself in areas you aren't familiar with with regularity, you *will* encounter this, and you *will* end up late if you try to rely on navigation that requires a network connection to work.
 

BoberFett

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How are those aftermarket double din in dash Navigation/DVD/MP3/CD players?

I was interested in getting a 370z, and when I see people with them without the nav system they get this huge bin right above the climate controls, if they were to get the nav it would all be taken up.... decisions decisions.

I've been keeping an eye on them because my Lincoln has a double DIN opening and putting in a decent head unit would, IMO, make my Lincoln just as nice a car as anything I could buy new. But the fact of the matter is that aftermarket double DIN nav systems blow. I would have figured by now that somebody would have made a kickass Android based NAV/phone/music system but no, they all seem to love their proprietary garbage. And they cost a small fortune.
 

Doppel

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That would be my preferred way as well, and actually for the G8 you can do just that..
gpskit1-h.jpg
Absolutely superb! I can't believe more cars don't have this, it's really blowing my mind if I think about it. I see tons of people even with new cars and that crap hanging from the windshield.
If you can't afford OEM GPS, you buy a crappy aftermarket unit and slander OEM GPS.
Haha, maybe :cool:
 

yh125d

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People who think this is equal have never driven in to an area with poor cell phone signal while relying on GPS nav. If you do any sort of business travel where you're finding yourself in areas you aren't familiar with with regularity, you *will* encounter this, and you *will* end up late if you try to rely on navigation that requires a network connection to work.

I travel about 25-50% for work. My business isn't in cities, its in rural areas, -very- rural areas. As in as much as 3 hours from a major city. BFE. I get coordinates of places to go and I go there. I've never not had service when I needed it on verizon.
 

Ferzerp

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I travel about 25-50% for work. My business isn't in cities, its in rural areas, -very- rural areas. As in as much as 3 hours from a major city. BFE. I get coordinates of places to go and I go there. I've never not had service when I needed it on verizon.


You might be able to get away with it if you're contained within a region, but none of the carriers have good coverage throughout the country. There are a few bizarre holes for Verizon in San Antonio for example. It was actually Verizon and San Antonio that prompted me to not rely on phone GPS anymore.