If you encode in VBR, please stand up

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CZroe

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DON'T BUY LAME HARDWARE THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT VBR!

That's the simple solution. Jesus, when the absolute first MP3 CD Players came out they were all shoddy Hong Kong pieces of crap. VBR compatability reared it's ugly head and SO DID CBR! Basically, you're an idiot if you purchase such second-rate MP3 players and then complain that you want your MP3s second rate too :roll:

There's a reason the Phillips RUSH sits unused in my box of crap. It only supports 92k MP3s encoded on the fly to some proprietary crap through some ancient customized version of Real Player G2 and only works with Win98 (Not only because of the old software, but because it uses the parallel port and requires direct I/O). Do your research. I knew that the MVC Soulplayer/Riovolt was the first decent MP3CD player because I reasearched and anticipated it. Then iRiver was born of that and we all know you will never have a VBR, UDF or multi-session compatability problem with any of those. Now, I own and use a Sony MPD-AP20U from Sony's Digital Relay series of external CD-Burners. It's the only one in the series that rivals the Discman in size and style yet it plays GIGABYTES of MP3s from DVD discs. You can't just swap in a new DVD+R when you run out of space on an iPod. Even if you have a 40GB+ iPod, you still don't have solid state media support like the MPD-AP20U's Memory Stick slot. Plus, the MPD-AP20U is so fast that I can detect no buffering or pausing once playback starts making it superior to all the iRiver and Rio optical-disc products (As if DVD support wasn't enough to do that). Of course, if functions so well as a $99 MP3 player (After $50 rebate) that I always forget that it can burn CDs and play DVDs when connected to a PC... I've only done so out of curiosity when the 30hr battery dies and I put it in the charge cradle. Of course, it could support WMA and OGG but stupidly doesn't :|
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: TranceNation
alot of stand alone players I've used have trouble playing them. You are saving what 300-700k? Maybe if this was 1995 sure, but memory is cheap these days.
Nobody I know who is serious about mp3s use VBR.

a lot? any pos player that can't even handle vbr isn't worth using.
 

Atomicus

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Hmm. I don't mind that my mp3s are 7+ mb a piece @ 320kbps since its been stated in here already that memory is cheap. If you can fill up your 15+ gig Ipod or any other mp3 player full of mp3s, I think you have too much music and that you'll probably never get around to listening to all of them more than 3 times (unless you like listening to your favorites over and over again).
 

Night201

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Originally posted by: TranceNation
alot of stand alone players I've used have trouble playing them. You are saving what 300-700k? Maybe if this was 1995 sure, but memory is cheap these days.
Nobody I know who is serious about mp3s use VBR.

Maybe your standalone players suck then. My car stereo can even play vbr mp3's with no problem. I encode with LAME as well.
 

Stark

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dMC dBpower AMP ripping with Lame at the R3Mix (VBR) works pretty well for me.

but i like to think i'm not dumb. :p
 

EvilYoda

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man, is this still going on? if we spent a day correcting every wrong assumption in ATOT...we'd be old and gray when we got halfway through ;)
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: lnguyen
Originally posted by: yukichigai
F%$# VBR mp3s, I encode VBR Ogg. I WIN! :p

ok, NOW the argument about player support can be used :p
Yeah, I know. :/ I've been trying to find a good portable that supports Oggs but I've come up with nothing.

So I just use my laptop and an external keypad for trips in the car. It's become an oversized iPod now. ;)
 

ThisIsMatt

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Originally posted by: Atomicus
Hmm. I don't mind that my mp3s are 7+ mb a piece @ 320kbps since its been stated in here already that memory is cheap. If you can fill up your 15+ gig Ipod or any other mp3 player full of mp3s, I think you have too much music and that you'll probably never get around to listening to all of them more than 3 times (unless you like listening to your favorites over and over again).
Just depends how you want to use your player. I have almost 150GB of mp3s, so it doesn't matter what player I get, they're not all going to fit. I just have a 128MB player that is small, light, and has 20 hours of battery life on a single AA alkaline.
 

imported_Strang

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Originally posted by: Atomicus
Hmm. I don't mind that my mp3s are 7+ mb a piece @ 320kbps since its been stated in here already that memory is cheap. If you can fill up your 15+ gig Ipod or any other mp3 player full of mp3s, I think you have too much music and that you'll probably never get around to listening to all of them more than 3 times (unless you like listening to your favorites over and over again).

I probably won't listen to some of the songs on my mp3 player, but that isn't the point -- I queue up everything and then shuffle it, so that if there's a song that I'm not very familiar with, I can give it a chance. Otherwise, I tend to listen to the same handful of songs over and over again until I get sick of them.
 

BespinReactorShaft

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VBR sucks? Whatever bakes your noodles I guess. My iPod has zero problems playing VBR so I couldn't give a flying fsck. Even my ancient Winamp v2.62 plays all kinds of VBR with no hitches either so any standalone player with problems most likely suck monkey balls anyhow. Personally I would use LAME with alt preset standard (averages from 180-224 kbps). But beggars cant be choosers when freeloading off P2P so I'm perfectly happy with CBR 192kbps encoded with LAME or FhG.
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
I use VBR only. It is superior to CBR.
Agreed. Even if the sound difference is only minor, there's no point in a constant bit allocation - by distributing bits where they're needed more, you're getting a free boost.

Edit: You must have a really ghetto MP3 player to not handle VBR. Even my frickin' Rio PMP 300(the mother of all MP3 players) could handle VBR.
that's ABR.
 

Anubis

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VBR, lame - alt preset extreme

works fine in my Zen Xtra, and a Rio

and to that moron up there

any person serious about ripping music for sound quality is useing FLAC, APE, OGG or some other loseless compression or leaveing them compleatly uncompressed,
 

glen

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Originally posted by: Chu
Originally posted by: TranceNation
alot of stand alone players I've used have trouble playing them. You are saving what 300-700k? Maybe if this was 1995 sure, but memory is cheap these days.
Nobody I know who is serious about mp3s use VBR.

Wow . . . I don't know what to say. Ok, well, one thing. If you think people 'serious' about MP3's don't use VBR, please head over here and get your ass kicked.

-Chu

What mp3 formate are they serious about now?
For a long while it was 192 vbr over there
 

TechnoKid

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Originally posted by: glen
Originally posted by: Chu
Originally posted by: TranceNation
alot of stand alone players I've used have trouble playing them. You are saving what 300-700k? Maybe if this was 1995 sure, but memory is cheap these days.
Nobody I know who is serious about mp3s use VBR.

Wow . . . I don't know what to say. Ok, well, one thing. If you think people 'serious' about MP3's don't use VBR, please head over here and get your ass kicked.

-Chu

What mp3 formate are they serious about now?
For a long while it was 192 vbr over there

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glen

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Originally posted by: TechnoKid
Originally posted by: glen
Originally posted by: Chu
Originally posted by: TranceNation
alot of stand alone players I've used have trouble playing them. You are saving what 300-700k? Maybe if this was 1995 sure, but memory is cheap these days.
Nobody I know who is serious about mp3s use VBR.

Wow . . . I don't know what to say. Ok, well, one thing. If you think people 'serious' about MP3's don't use VBR, please head over here and get your ass kicked.

-Chu

What mp3 formate are they serious about now?
For a long while it was 192 vbr over there

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Note: At a given bitrate range, the quality scale usually works to where VBR is higher quality than ABR which is higher quality than CBR (CBR < ABR < VBR in terms of quality). The exception to this is when you choose the highest possible CBR bitrate, which is 320 kbps (--alt-preset insane).
 

myusername

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Anyone have links to *unbiased* site(s) that compare lossless encoding methods? Have ~ 150 CD's I want to rip .. was going to do .mp3, but I'm open to new ideas
 

BurnItDwn

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If you kick me you are only going to wind up hurting yourself.

VBR is superior to CBR.

End of discussion.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: myusername
Anyone have links to *unbiased* site(s) that compare lossless encoding methods? Have ~ 150 CD's I want to rip .. was going to do .mp3, but I'm open to new ideas

are you crazy about sound quality? if so use FLAC, your gonna need a ton of HD space, if you are a little less concerned use VBr 220-250 and you will be fine, i use it sounds great to me