:If you don't like it, you can leave."

[TNTrulez]

I see that statement used a lot whenever someone criticizes something that he is a member of.
To me, that statement doesn't make any sense. If I am a member of something, I have to right to try and change things that I see wrong. Leaving accomplish nothing except admitting defeat.
I see this statement most when someone criticizes their own country.

It just makes me think the intelligence of the person who uses that statement is very low.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

your sig suits you

 

[kt]

What if the criticism is utterly moronic?

 

[Colt45]

because the people that say it are fvcktards.

 

[PsychoAndy]

Personally, I save it for immigrant-related issues.

 

well, if you dont like that saying, you can leave!

On a more serious note, the tyranny of the majority is the most fearful thing that could happen in a democracy. Just by saying that means you support it in one form or another.

 

[Evadman]

Bandwagon.

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
I see that statement used a lot whenever someone criticizes something that he is a member of.
To me, that statement doesn't make any sense. If I am a member of something, I have to right to try and change things that I see wrong. Leaving accomplish nothing except admitting defeat.
I see this statement most when someone criticizes their own country.

It just makes me think the intelligence of the person who uses that statement is very low.

I use it when immigrants move to the United States then instead of being happy, all they do is criticize customs, traditions and government. The United States doesn't force anything on you except taxes and laws (which most protect the general welfare of the country). If the Christmas displays in Macy's bothers you, live with it. The United States is wonderful in that you can leave anytime you want...

 

[Aves]

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Personally, I save it for immigrant-related issues.

Same here.

 

[SSP]

Tyranny of the majority. You can't change much if the majority is against you.

 

[Pastore]

Originally posted by: TNTrulez
I see that statement used a lot whenever someone criticizes something that he is a member of.
To me, that statement doesn't make any sense. If I am a member of something, I have to right to try and change things that I see wrong. Leaving accomplish nothing except admitting defeat.
I see this statement most when someone criticizes their own country.

It just makes me think the intelligence of the person who uses that statement is very low.

Funny, I think a person uses THAT statement when they really have no point, they just want to insult someone.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Personally, I save it for immigrant-related issues.

*zing!*

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: kevin000

Originally posted by: TNTrulez

I use it when immigrants move to the United States then instead of being happy, all they do is criticize customs, traditions and government. The United States doesn't force anything on you except taxes and laws (which most protect the general welfare of the country). If the Christmas displays in Macy's bothers you, live with it. The United States is wonderful in that you can leave anytime you want...

if only they WOULD leave.... i remember soon after sept 11th people making all sorts of fuss about how american flags should be removed from schools and other public buildings because it might offend arabs....my fat ass, its my fvcking country, if some arab, or hell.....any immigrant for that matter doesnt like the flag, they seriously need something more important in their life to bitch about, what a waste....being offended should be illegal or somethin, yeah

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: kevin000

I use it when immigrants move to the United States then instead of being happy, all they do is criticize customs, traditions and government.

It's called the First Amendment.

Of course, you also have the right to tell them to leave, but I consider that not a terribly constructive application of it.

 

[deftron]

Isn't that the conservative motto or something ?

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Colt45
because the people that say it are fvcktards.

w3rd up!

 

[smp]

Heh heh


I didn't like the mass amount of close minded bigots in OT, so I stopped hanging out here. I only came back to post that funny clip, thinking that EVERYONE would like it, not just like minded people. (like minded, like me)

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: kevin000

I use it when immigrants move to the United States then instead of being happy, all they do is criticize customs, traditions and government.

It's called the First Amendment.

Of course, you also have the right to tell them to leave, but I consider that not a terribly constructive application of it.

Your comment proves you wrong. Using the ?First Amendment? as a reason is the same as ?Leave if you don?t like it?. They both aren?t constructive but they are true.

The First Amendment right protects freedom of speech to a certain extent and is enforced by the Government of the United States of America. Someone living in the USA and criticizing the government is in fact attacking the power that is giving them that right, that freedom. I dare you to walk around a few Middle Eastern countries and openly criticize the government. I admit that some criticism is called for, nothing and nobody is perfect. But to criticize things that make our country Our Nation is wrong.

People criticize about the Pledge of Allegiance, they criticize about Thanksgiving. The problem lies in the fact that everyone has to make their feelings known about asinine subjects. If you don't want to say "One Nation, Under God" then don't. But why do you have to make it a public issue. I'm not forcing anyone to say the Pledge of Allegiance, just acknowledge the flag and all that it represents. Then remember that is that flag that protects you. Recently, people were complaining about Thanksgiving and its presence in public schools. Well, it?s Public School supported by the Government, why should an American holiday be forgotten because you don't like it?

You can criticize the bureaucracy (it doesn?t work) but do not criticize things that make America, America.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: kevin000

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: kevin000

I use it when immigrants move to the United States then instead of being happy, all they do is criticize customs, traditions and government.

It's called the First Amendment.

Of course, you also have the right to tell them to leave, but I consider that not a terribly constructive application of it.

Your comment proves you wrong. Using the ?First Amendment? as a reason is the same as ?Leave if you don?t like it?. They both aren?t constructive but they are true.

The First Amendment right protects freedom of speech to a certain extent and is enforced by the Government of the United States of America. Someone living in the USA and criticizing the government is in fact attacking the power that is giving them that right, that freedom. I dare you to walk around a few Middle Eastern countries and openly criticize the government. I admit that some criticism is called for, nothing and nobody is perfect. But to criticize things that make our country Our Nation is wrong.

You have utterly failed to discern the purpose of the First Amendment. Look at the freedoms enumerated therein: speech, religion, assembly, press, petition. With the possible exception of religion, everything there helps to insure that the right to criticize the government is protected.

If you don't like the criticisms, counter them. Free speech is the birthplace of dialogue. Censorship is the enemy of America far more than any protests waged against it are.

 

[SSP:] "Tyranny of the majority. You can't change much if the majority is against you."

There's also tyranny of the minority. The minority does the same crap when in power.

I agree with TNTRulez here. But it isn't about country as much as it is the nature of man. The masses are followers than they are leaders. Despite the so-called democracy or liberty we enjoy, the truth is that many are eager to rest in their ignorance, where they find comfort. The truth is that many would hastily be loyalists if the one who leads learns to be a great orator. And loyalism to them means no single mark of dissent or constructive criticism with intent to improve the state of the entity.

This is so true for almost every institution, organisation, nation, anywhere. Luckily, there are born leaders, delegates, dissenters and diplomats willing to see to this check and balances.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: kevin000

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: kevin000

I use it when immigrants move to the United States then instead of being happy, all they do is criticize customs, traditions and government.

It's called the First Amendment.

Of course, you also have the right to tell them to leave, but I consider that not a terribly constructive application of it.

Your comment proves you wrong. Using the ?First Amendment? as a reason is the same as ?Leave if you don?t like it?. They both aren?t constructive but they are true.

The First Amendment right protects freedom of speech to a certain extent and is enforced by the Government of the United States of America. Someone living in the USA and criticizing the government is in fact attacking the power that is giving them that right, that freedom. I dare you to walk around a few Middle Eastern countries and openly criticize the government. I admit that some criticism is called for, nothing and nobody is perfect. But to criticize things that make our country Our Nation is wrong.

People criticize about the Pledge of Allegiance, they criticize about Thanksgiving. The problem lies in the fact that everyone has to make their feelings known about asinine subjects. If you don't want to say "One Nation, Under God" then don't. But why do you have to make it a public issue. I'm not forcing anyone to say the Pledge of Allegiance, just acknowledge the flag and all that it represents. Then remember that is that flag that protects you. Recently, people were complaining about Thanksgiving and its presence in public schools. Well, it?s Public School supported by the Government, why should an American holiday be forgotten because you don't like it?

You can criticize the bureaucracy (it doesn?t work) but do not criticize things that make America, America.

That was an excellent post. Props to you.

 

[Kevin]

I was referring to:

I consider that not a terribly constructive application of it.

You aregue that "Leave if you don't like it" is not contrucitve yet you used "First Amendment" as a reasoning. I'm not attacking you, just your order of words its a little shady...