If you don't have PCIe - Would you like an AGP 7800 or X1800 ?

[crazydingo]

Yay or Nay ?

 

[Eureka]

Yes, but then again my AGP system will bottleneck it in any and every way. However, 939 motherboards have AGP and they can still be upgraded with top-of-the-line parts. And nVidia will probably be the one to do it if any... oh how I loved their 6600GT bridge.

Norm

 

[Corporate Thug]

i personally wouldnt but i know plenty of people who would

 

[SynthDude2001]

For me personally, not really. By the time I finally get around to upgrading to an A64 platform, I'll obviously need a new motherboard anyway - so I don't see why I wouldn't buy a PCI-E one.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
Yes, but then again my AGP system will bottleneck it in any and every way. However, 939 motherboards have AGP and they can still be upgraded with top-of-the-line parts. And nVidia will probably be the one to do it if any... oh how I loved their 6600GT bridge.

Norm

I see people bringing up the "AGP will bottleneck" argument but others keep bringing up "AGP still has plenty of bandwidth left". Which one is true ?

 

[apoppin]

the poll should read: "if you don't already have PCIe - Would you like an AGP 7800 or X1800 ?"

that way we can weed out the useless votes


yes

!

and AGP has PLENTY of Bandwith left for THIS gen
:Q

 

[5150Joker]

No, AGP needs to hurry up and disappear from the market.

 

[bdoople]

Yes because I don't want to upgrade my board yet.

 

[wahoyaho]

screw the double standards!

 

[Hacp]

AGP still has plenty of bandwith for todays cards. Just not enough for SLI. 6800GTs barely get bottlenecked by AGP 4x.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
No, AGP needs to hurry up and disappear from the market.

what's the hurry? it's not like AGP is holding you back :Q

:roll:

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
the poll should read: "if you don't already have PCIe - Would you like an AGP 7800 or X1800 ?"

that way we can weed out the useless votes


yes

!

Done. I'm jumped on the PCIe bandwagon early, so my opinion on this topic is indifferent.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: apoppin
the poll should read: "if you don't already have PCIe - Would you like an AGP 7800 or X1800 ?"

that way we can weed out the useless votes


yes

!

Done. I'm jumped on the PCIe bandwagon early, so my opinion on this topic is indifferent.

thanks

it appears that some forum members are offended that some of us prefer to upgrade when we feel it is necessary - not at the whim of marketing [who is in a rush to sell 2x the number of videocards for SLI and x-fire]

[i am NOT saying PCIe isn't necessary or "the future" - IT IS . . . just for some of us that have a solid mid-range AGP system like mine - a simple video card upgrade should be an option . . . at least until our rigs become more "low end" . . .

it makes ZERO sense for me to spend big bucks to "upgrade" my CPU, MB and RAM not to mention reinstall [my perfectly running] OS and apps when ALL i want is a faster more featured GPU.

anyway, i DO believe we will see AGP x1800xt from ATI or a Partner . . . i can wait . . . unbelievably, my 9800xt runs Serious Sam2 perfectly at 11x8 and the LC HDR demo is acceptable at 10x7 [everything 'on' and 'hi' and 'max' i'm really glad li got that 256mb vRAM] . . . i don't plan to get FEAR until it is bargain bin [as KotOR II and Bloodlines are first].

 

[MDE]

I'd like it just to have the option down the road. If they don't release an AGP 7800\X1800 part then I'll just hang onto my X2 3800+\6800GT system until it can't run what I need it to.

 

[CPlusPlusGeek]

I jumped on PCIe the very week nForce 4 came out

 

[sodcha0s]

I recently bought what will probably be my last AGP card, an x800xt pe. If a 7800 gt(x) would have been available I might have tried it, but now it doesn't matter to me at all. I plan on getting a new mobo within 6 mos. so I'll be going pcie.

 

[imported_g33k]

yes what apoppin said. I need a video card. Not a cpu, not a a new mobo, not having to reinstall a new OS and 50 progs.

 

[Paratus]

No no no my P4 3.2 is too antiquated to use a GTX or X1800XT especially compared to those brand new intel dual cores that run at 3.2G or that X2 3800. I'd be better of sending donkeys back and forth between the card and the CPU to exchange data then dare ask ATI or NVIDIA to go bankrupt trying use their existing bridge chips on these new cards to run on my turn of the century tech rig. No it would just be damn selfish of me to ask for one more AGP card while there is little difference between a highend AGP or PCIE rig. Besides my money is "AGP" money and not really useful as legal tender so it's not like I represent an untapped market.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

I see people bringing up the "AGP will bottleneck" argument but others keep bringing up "AGP still has plenty of bandwidth left". Which one is true ?

Quake 4 - A64 3000 + = A64 FX57 @ 1600x1200 4AA/8AF

So essentially it seems Doom 3 and Quake 4 do not care as much for cpu speed and graphics card matters significantly more.

CPU speed barely matters in FEAR.

Since AGP boards are able to accomodate cpus that easily compete with the benchmarks linked above, AGP still has lots of life left in it (especially since the advantage of PCIe over AGP in bandwidth terms is only theoretical). It could make sense for users with P4 3.0ghz or A64 3000+ and AGP slots to get $300 7800GT over $300 6800GTs for example. However, chances are those people will probably wait over 1 generation and upgrade the whole system or will upgrade now. But the advantage of actual PCIe format over AGP are amost non-existent besides the obvious SLI flexibility.

 

[jevans64]

My next build will be a PCIe rig simply because I have been waiting FOUR YEARS for a CPU that has better thermals than my "antiquated" P4 Northwood 3.2GHz CPUs. PCIe was released early because the marketing guys wanted to stimulate sales of PC components. Only people who want to run two cards in SLI will need PCIe. I will probably put an nVidia card in the new system and hope for an AGP x1000 series card for my Shuttle SFF.

 

[shortylickens]

I got a socket 754 nForce 3 system with an AGP slot not too long ago.

Almost immediatly it seemed that was low-tech and socket 939 with nForce 4 and SLI PCIe was the thing to have.

I want to milk as much time out of my current system as I can get away with. I can play FEAR and Half-Life 2 just fine. Maybe Elder Scrolls 4 will change my mind.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Paratus
No no no my P4 3.2 is too antiquated to use a GTX or X1800XT especially compared to those brand new intel dual cores that run at 3.2G or that X2 3800. I'd be better of sending donkeys back and forth between the card and the CPU to exchange data then dare ask ATI or NVIDIA to go bankrupt trying use their existing bridge chips on these new cards to run on my turn of the century tech rig. No it would just be damn selfish of me to ask for one more AGP card while there is little difference between a highend AGP or PCIE rig. Besides my money is "AGP" money and not really useful as legal tender so it's not like I represent an untapped market.

nonsense . . . you have bought into the marketing hype. Just O/C your P4 and you will have the equivalent of a A64 3200[plus] . . . it's enough to use the current gen GPUs [of course not to their full potential]
. . . and those new intel DCs ain't that special . . . AMD all the way [so far . . . maybe late '06 intel will have something worth upgrading to]
:disgust:

bankrupt on $10 bridge chips? :Q

:roll:

they can pass their "savings" on to me. . . . i'd pay an extra $20 over a PCIe card for an AGP x1800xt

 

[gsellis]

I want AGP. Replacing my 604 pin board is not a good alternative to upgrading the GPU for what I do. I guess a 850XTPE is the only choice at the moment. Not a bad idea, but I sure would like H.264 decode along with WMV and MPEG2 on the video card.

 

[CP5670]

I would really like AGP versions. My processor isn't too great but the CPU limitation stuff is less of a factor than some make it out to be when you consider minimum framerates and high resolution performance. In any case, I could upgrade mine if I wanted to and still keep the same motherboard.

At this point though, I'm not holding my breath. I guess ATI and Nv are really trying to maximize their PCIE motherboard sales. I want to get a new video card this winter and a new motherboard seems to be the only option. It's a pity that the DFI ultra board, which I really like otherwise and would easily have been my first choice, happens to be incompatible with my existing memory.

 

[rise]

i think we need more polls like this. clearly ati and nv aren't getting the message.