Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Never heard that one beforex 42 Oh, and nice edit btw.
Well, since you've heard it so many times, perhaps you should take notice that it has some credence. I edited it so that it would sound less assholish, but I see you have no problem playing that game.
Open your mind and close your mouth, you dime-a-dozen POS.
LOL, you're funnay"Open your mind and close your mouth, you dime-a-dozen POS" coughHYPOCRITEcough.
"Using your brains and reading the bible are not necessarily related. The bible was written by men not entirely unlike you and me, so what makes it so special?"
I'll bet you stated this in the hopes I wouldn't answer it, but since you've felt the need to resort to petty insults, I shall now tear your seemingly clever thesis apart.
"Using your brains and reading the bible are not necessarily related." This is just sheer idiocy. Do you truly believe that there is no deeper meaning to the Bible than what is on the surface? People might as well be reading out of a Denny's menu if this were true.
"The bible was written by men not entirely unlike you and me, so what makes it so special?"
For this statement to even be legitimate, you would first have to believe that man has never and will never do anything of any value. That's got to be one of the saddest things I've ever heard. If you hate man so much why do you continue to live? After all, you are a man, so, like every other man (in your opinion), you are worthless. Or do you think yourself better than everyone else, despite your statement to the contrary? Your hypocrisy continues to pile up here...
What you need to realize is that Christianity isn't the be-all, end-all of spiritual knowledge. The bible may have value as a book for moral guidance, but when people take it as the word of God, things get out of hand.
You also need to take statements for what they are, rather than inflating them to suit your argument. Man cannot know, nor will he know, if there is a God or an afterlife. You just can't prove it. That said, since man cannot know "the truth," the bible should not be taken as such. Again, the bible isn't the only religious text in the world. You need to educate yourself on more than one religion, my friend. There are some great viewpoints out there if you look beyond the religion you grew up around.
Not this again... I'm not going to explain Schroedinger's Uncertainty Principle in-depth again. Let's put it this way: science can only prove that which it observe in nature or reproduce in a laboratory. There is no arguing this, this is fact. With that said, since science can neither prove or disprove G-d's existence, one cannot use science to argue for or against G-d's existence. This is Schroedinger's Uncertainty Principle, at it's heart.
Whether you believe in G-d or not is fine, that's your choice. Don't try to bring science into the argument though, you *can't* win. Science cannot explain the why, only the how (and even then not always). Science is not perfect.
Uncertainty Principle was Heisenberg, not Schrödinger's, and your description is considerably malformed.
I was thinking Atheist = Humanist since I think of myself as both. I guess they wouldn't have to go hand in hand.
I was using a scientific principle to explain the nature of science. I'm sorry you consider this hypocrisy, most would consider this quite logical.
mindmaniac
Senior member
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Normally I would say no, but I let some one cut in front of me on the way to work so I feel pretty charitable.
HEISENBERG Uncertainty Principle - you cannot know both the position and momentum of something to infinite accuracy.
Schroedinger - It seems you are thinking of the Schroedinger's Cat concept. This is an illustration of the idea of superposition.
"First, we have a living cat and place it in a thick lead box. At this stage, there is no question that the cat is alive. We then throw in a vial of cyanide and seal the box. We do not know if the cat is alive or if it has broken the cyanide capsule and died. Since we do not know, the cat is both dead and alive, according to quantum law, in a superposition of states. It is only when we break open the box and learn the condition of the cat that the superposition is lost, and the cat becomes one or the other (dead or alive)." (Sometimes done with decaying elements and other things too)
"I'm not going to explain Schroedinger's Uncertainty Principle in-depth again." And yet you don't know the name. LOL
If you are using Schroedinger's and Heisenberg's ideas then there both is and is not a heaven in a quantum superposition and we will never know the momentum or position of heaven to infinite accuracy. Is that what you are saying?
I don't choose not to believe anything. I don't believe. That's all there is to it. Could you choose to believe in Santa Claus?
That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Santa Clause! HAH! That is crazy to think he is real. Now the invisible magic man that lives in the clouds (God/Jesus), now obviously he exists because, well....you just gotta believe.
Stolen/Paraphrased:
I'm not worried about getting into heaven, I'll keep stepping in and stepping out until St.Peter gets annoyed and says either come in or get out... and then I'll just go in.
I'm not worried about getting into heaven, I'll keep stepping in and stepping out until St.Peter gets annoyed and says either come in or get out... and then I'll just go in.
Lucifer S. Beelzebub and I have already come to an arrangement. I'll be setting up a Frostee-Freeze in the lobby of Torment Towers on the corner of Agony Ave. and Pain Place, right adjacent to the Lake of Fire.
No. In fact, it's my opinion that none of us go to heaven, even if it exists. instead, we're all placed in hell and forced to watch in our minds those that we most loved and looked forward to walking around in Heaven and enjoying themselves without us. Catch being that they aren't really there, they're either still alive or in hell doing the exact same thing you are, and nobody has any idea that it's going on. Satan makes a very good attempt at keeping you from ever bumping into anyone that you envision as being in heaven without you, but occasionally you do bump into them. This is where ghosts come from - Satan can't very well keep you two around because you might go around telling people and fscking ruin the whole deal and God, Jesus and Moses are too busy playing golf to destroy your souls, so he just tosses you back onto the surface.
edmundoab
Diamond Member
I won't be let in,
I think I've cursed god too much for everything that didn't go my way.
So unless I do something really good before my natural death,
I doubt I am heading to heaven at this time.
I think I've cursed god too much for everything that didn't go my way.
So unless I do something really good before my natural death,
I doubt I am heading to heaven at this time.
So you're the rat bastard who took that setup right at the front of the lobby! Red told me he was saving it for someone but wouldn't spill the beans who.
I had to settle for halfway back, but I haggled the price down a few oboluses.
- M4H
I have acknowledged my sinfulness, I have asked God to forgive me, and I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, so, yes, I believe that I am going to heaven.
M4H, just what are you blathering about now? Because I confused Schrodinger and Heisenberg I'm a hypocrite?
bradruth
Lifer
- Aug 9, 2002
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Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Never heard that one beforex 42 Oh, and nice edit btw.
Well, since you've heard it so many times, perhaps you should take notice that it has some credence. I edited it so that it would sound less assholish, but I see you have no problem playing that game.
Open your mind and close your mouth, you dime-a-dozen POS.
LOL, you're funnay
"Using your brains and reading the bible are not necessarily related. The bible was written by men not entirely unlike you and me, so what makes it so special?"
I'll bet you stated this in the hopes I wouldn't answer it, but since you've felt the need to resort to petty insults, I shall now tear your seemingly clever thesis apart.
"Using your brains and reading the bible are not necessarily related." This is just sheer idiocy. Do you truly believe that there is no deeper meaning to the Bible than what is on the surface? People might as well be reading out of a Denny's menu if this were true.
"The bible was written by men not entirely unlike you and me, so what makes it so special?"
For this statement to even be legitimate, you would first have to believe that man has never and will never do anything of any value. That's got to be one of the saddest things I've ever heard. If you hate man so much why do you continue to live? After all, you are a man, so, like every other man (in your opinion), you are worthless. Or do you think yourself better than everyone else, despite your statement to the contrary? Your hypocrisy continues to pile up here...
What you need to realize is that Christianity isn't the be-all, end-all of spiritual knowledge. The bible may have value as a book for moral guidance, but when people take it as the word of God, things get out of hand.
You also need to take statements for what they are, rather than inflating them to suit your argument. Man cannot know, nor will he know, if there is a God or an afterlife. You just can't prove it. That said, since man cannot know "the truth," the bible should not be taken as such. Again, the bible isn't the only religious text in the world. You need to educate yourself on more than one religion, my friend. There are some great viewpoints out there if you look beyond the religion you grew up around.
Not this again... I'm not going to explain Schroedinger's Uncertainty Principle in-depth again. Let's put it this way: science can only prove that which it observe in nature or reproduce in a laboratory. There is no arguing this, this is fact. With that said, since science can neither prove or disprove G-d's existence, one cannot use science to argue for or against G-d's existence. This is Schroedinger's Uncertainty Principle, at it's heart.
Whether you believe in G-d or not is fine, that's your choice. Don't try to bring science into the argument though, you *can't* win. Science cannot explain the why, only the how (and even then not always). Science is not perfect.
At the risk of wasting my time and energy trying to get you to wrap your one-track mind around what I'm saying, this will be my final response to your misguided argument.
Not once did I specifically mention science, yet you claim that I'm trying to use science to find God's existence. Are you even paying attention to what I, and others are saying, or are you reading what you want to hear to fuel your tired theory? Then you use this science argument that you claim I used to say that I can't "win" this argument. Just a little advice when trying to "win" an argument--use logic and pay attention to the other party's opinion. Spouting off pre-rehearsed rhetoric about Christianity isn't going to get you very far when you're trying to debate. Like I said before, open your mind to other cultures and ideas rather than following one pre-set course.
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Never heard that one beforex 42 Oh, and nice edit btw.
Well, since you've heard it so many times, perhaps you should take notice that it has some credence. I edited it so that it would sound less assholish, but I see you have no problem playing that game.
Open your mind and close your mouth, you dime-a-dozen POS.
LOL, you're funnay
"Using your brains and reading the bible are not necessarily related. The bible was written by men not entirely unlike you and me, so what makes it so special?"
I'll bet you stated this in the hopes I wouldn't answer it, but since you've felt the need to resort to petty insults, I shall now tear your seemingly clever thesis apart.
"Using your brains and reading the bible are not necessarily related." This is just sheer idiocy. Do you truly believe that there is no deeper meaning to the Bible than what is on the surface? People might as well be reading out of a Denny's menu if this were true.
"The bible was written by men not entirely unlike you and me, so what makes it so special?"
For this statement to even be legitimate, you would first have to believe that man has never and will never do anything of any value. That's got to be one of the saddest things I've ever heard. If you hate man so much why do you continue to live? After all, you are a man, so, like every other man (in your opinion), you are worthless. Or do you think yourself better than everyone else, despite your statement to the contrary? Your hypocrisy continues to pile up here...
What you need to realize is that Christianity isn't the be-all, end-all of spiritual knowledge. The bible may have value as a book for moral guidance, but when people take it as the word of God, things get out of hand.
You also need to take statements for what they are, rather than inflating them to suit your argument. Man cannot know, nor will he know, if there is a God or an afterlife. You just can't prove it. That said, since man cannot know "the truth," the bible should not be taken as such. Again, the bible isn't the only religious text in the world. You need to educate yourself on more than one religion, my friend. There are some great viewpoints out there if you look beyond the religion you grew up around.
Not this again... I'm not going to explain Schroedinger's Uncertainty Principle in-depth again. Let's put it this way: science can only prove that which it observe in nature or reproduce in a laboratory. There is no arguing this, this is fact. With that said, since science can neither prove or disprove G-d's existence, one cannot use science to argue for or against G-d's existence. This is Schroedinger's Uncertainty Principle, at it's heart.
Whether you believe in G-d or not is fine, that's your choice. Don't try to bring science into the argument though, you *can't* win. Science cannot explain the why, only the how (and even then not always). Science is not perfect.
At the risk of wasting my time and energy trying to get you to wrap your one-track mind around what I'm saying, this will be my final response to your misguided argument.
Not once did I specifically mention science, yet you claim that I'm trying to use science to find God's existence. Are you even paying attention to what I, and others are saying, or are you reading what you want to hear to fuel your tired theory? Then you use this science argument that you claim I used to say that I can't "win" this argument. Just a little advice when trying to "win" an argument--use logic and pay attention to the other party's opinion. Spouting off pre-rehearsed rhetoric about Christianity isn't going to get you very far when you're trying to debate. Like I said before, open your mind to other cultures and ideas rather than following one pre-set course.
Just as you don't listen to anything I have to say, I return the favor
alkemyst
No Lifer
- Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Just as you don't listen to anything I have to say, I return the favor
See how editing the quotes down makes for a more coherent read?!?
Anyways it's not that we don't listen to you, it's that we can't figure out what the hell you are talking about....perhaps it would be easier if you followed one train of thought, but you seem to pick stances on issues by rolling a die for each post.
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Somone once told me there was a special place in Hell reserved for me. Given that knowledge, I took the opportunity to capitalize on it.Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
So you're the rat bastard who took that setup right at the front of the lobby! Red told me he was saving it for someone but wouldn't spill the beans who.
I had to settle for halfway back, but I haggled the price down a few oboluses.
- M4H
Or maybe the fact that the existence of god cannot be proven, yet that is the basis of fm's believe.
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