If you did this to your own kid...

[zzyzxroad]

It's a systemic problem. Police reform needs to be deep-rooted and nationwide now.

For sure but with that said I have a hard time believing any amount of training can prevent you from doing this to a 9 year old. You are simply a horrible person if this is in you.

 

[Jaskalas]

For sure but with that said I have a hard time believing any amount of training can prevent you from doing this to a 9 year old. You are simply a horrible person if this is in you.

Anyone instructed to subdue a child by force is going to have a difficult time when force is not acceptable use. Instead of cracking bones, or risking death, they go for one of the most common tools on their belt. Problem? Mace. Surprised she wasn't tased. It's not necessary to be a horrible person to be placed in a no-win scenario and try to make the least horrible choice out of nothing but horrible choices. It is still going to be horrible.

No training, no leadership at that department. That community deserved better, those officers deserved better, and that girl deserved better. It comes down to policy, training, and being prepared for delicate situations.

 

[Lanyap]

Looks like St Pete FL is about ready to implement their social service worker response effort soon.

St Pete Police Social Worker Program Set to Begin

City council approved 9-month $850,000 contract.

www.baynews9.com

 

[Viper1j]

The female cop needs to have her uterus ripped out..
WITHOUT anesthesia.

 

[ch33zw1z]

She should feel lucky to be alive - comply or die

 

[MrSquished]

I mean she was fucking handcuffed and they still maced her. 9 years old. And the police union boys defends this. Cops are rotten to the core.

 

[shortylickens]

My father beat me.

Sometimes even when I was bad.

 

[woolfe9998]

The kid was acting like a kid.. Having raised two daughters I would have some knowledge on the subject. It does cause me to wonder how those cops treat any kids living with them.

Here's praying you're never allowed to procreate.

The kid was extremely agitated, likely before the police got there. Most kids are afraid of police and would not hesitate to comply. When I was that age, it would never occurred to behave like that. I doubt you would have either.

That said, pepper spraying her was completely unnecessary.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The kid was extremely agitated, likely before the police got there. Most kids are afraid of police and would not hesitate to comply. When I was that age, it would never occurred to behave like that. I doubt you would have either.

That said, pepper spraying her was completely unnecessary.

I guess its nice to know you're a good fascist boot licker. The entirety of their response was unnecessary and stupid to the point of absurdity. But as usual their policy seems to be to roll in and escalate every situation until they get to use their toys.

 

[VashHT]

The kid was extremely agitated, likely before the police got there. Most kids are afraid of police and would not hesitate to comply. When I was that age, it would never occurred to behave like that. I doubt you would have either.

That said, pepper spraying her was completely unnecessary.

Yeah sure, when I was a kid I tried to run from a cop even though I wasn't doing anything, I really doubt I would have quietly gotten into the back of a cop car either. Way to blame the kid for not behaving like you think they should.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Bottom line, when you only send hammers, don't act shocked when theyre being hammers. If you call 911, expect hammers.

 

[woolfe9998]

I guess its nice to know you're a good fascist boot licker. The entirety of their response was unnecessary and stupid to the point of absurdity. But as usual their policy seems to be to roll in and escalate every situation until they get to use their toys.

Go fuck yourself DSM. I mean really. I sit by and watch you make remarks like this to other people which are totally uncalled for on a daily basis, but I'm done with you. Don't reply to my posts anymore.

 

[VashHT]

Bottom line, when you only send hammers, don't act shocked when theyre being hammers. If you call 911, expect hammers.

Definitely agree with this, these cops obviously didn't have the tools to deal with this.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Cops shouldn’t be sent to these calls. They aren’t properly equipped, they aren’t properly trained for them and they don’t like going to them.
We need another option for calls like this.

This. These cops are obviously psychos (aren't they all..?), but they should not even have been there! Should have told whoever called "fuck you deal with your own kid". Or at best send some child services, isn't that what they're for??

 

[ch33zw1z]

Definitely agree with this, these cops obviously didn't have the tools to deal with this.

I mean, that's their training, right? Comply or escalate. I have a child with pretty intense emotional needs, and at 9 years old we almost had to call the police a few times. I was really hesitant to do so, because i know what to expect.

The young lady obviously needs some help, and we should provide that as a society. Maybe with advanced police response team training, or with social workers, whatever....we should.

Imagine training a team of police to respond to something like this and exalt them like we do swat teams? Lol, that's some star trek level shit right there

 

[Viper1j]

The kid was extremely agitated, likely before the police got there. Most kids are afraid of police and would not hesitate to comply. When I was that age, it would never occurred to behave like that. I doubt you would have either.

That said, pepper spraying her was completely unnecessary.

Fuck "agitated"..

She was a little girl, crying for her daddy.

The cops should be on their knees, thanking God it wasn't one of my girls.

Definitely agree with this, these cops obviously didn't have the tools to deal with this.

The only way they didn't have the "tools", would be if they were childless. And clearly the female has nothing even remotely resembling anything close to a maternal instinct.

 

[woolfe9998]

I mean, that's their training, right? Comply or escalate. I have a child with pretty intense emotional needs, and at 9 years old we almost had to call the police a few times. I was really hesitant to do so, because i know what to expect.

The young lady obviously needs some help, and we should provide that as a society. Maybe with advanced police response team training, or with social workers, whatever....we should.

Imagine training a team of police to respond to something like this and exalt them like we do swat teams? Lol, that's some star trek level shit right there

Yeah, I think this is the kind of situation where you send a social worker and a cop. The social worker does all the talking up front while the cop remains in the background unless or until the situation turns violent. If this girl was agitated to start out with, the cops cuffing her and trying to remove her straight off likely aggravated the situation.

 

[VashHT]

I mean, that's their training, right? Comply or escalate. I have a child with pretty intense emotional needs, and at 9 years old we almost had to call the police a few times. I was really hesitant to do so, because i know what to expect.

The young lady obviously needs some help, and we should provide that as a society. Maybe with advanced police response team training, or with social workers, whatever....we should.

Imagine training a team of police to respond to something like this and exalt them like we do swat teams? Lol, that's some star trek level shit right there

Yeah I was thinking about this from the parent's pov and was wondering really what your options are. It's not like there are emergency mental health hotlines (that I know of) that you can call to come in this situation instead of cops. Like you said, either training the cops to handle these situations or having some kind of emergency social workers tied into emergency services would help, both sound like good ideas to me.

 

[woolfe9998]

Fuck "agitated"..

She was a little girl, crying for her daddy.

The cops should be on their knees, thanking God it wasn't one of my girls.

I think there's probably a lot we do not know about that particular family situation. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yeah I was thinking about this from the parent's pov and was wondering really what your options are. It's not like there are emergency mental health hotlines (that I know of) that you can call to come in this situation instead of cops. Like you said, either training the cops to handle these situations or having some kind of emergency social workers tied into emergency services would help, both sound like good ideas to me.

The only thing I'm aware of is a hospital run crisis center, imxp is part of the ER area. Yea, I've been there, but it's billed like anything else....pretty much cost me $100 and hour to let my kid calm down enough to not destroy the house. I'm still not entirely sure why he got in the car and didn't wreck that also. Lol, kids aren't rational, and theyre less rational than irrational adults

I think you can get the ambulance to bring ya, for whatever that costs, but you'll get the cops at your house anyways so it's still gonna happen.

People get emotional, some get extremely emotional. I've definitely been there in my life. People need help and not shaming for needing it.

 

[compcons]

What the crap? I can't even form a coherent series of thoughts here. This isn't bad training or a fucked up scenario. Its fucked up cops.

9. Years. Old. I can think of zero situations where a handcuffed kid (or almost anyone) poses such a significant threat. A 9 year old kids weighs in at maybe 70 pounds? And handcuffed? This isn't about training, it's about being a rational adult. WTF?


There must have been a knife in the basket of her bicycle?
She was reaching for her phone and they thought it was a gun?
She would have overpowered the officers and taken their service weapon?
She posed a significant threat to the officers (who are literally 2-4 times her size)?

Time to star a new thread: YAEW9T.
I personally will be starting some peaceful protest. 9YOLM. And don't tell me all age groups matter. That really irritates me.

 

[zzyzxroad]

What the crap? I can't even form a coherent series of thoughts here. This isn't bad training or a fucked up scenario. Its fucked up cops.

Agree. There must have been poor management and training but those same mangers hired psychopaths.

 

[HeXen]

I still have not seen anyone mention what the other option is for officials handling destructive children...send them to time out in the corner? Walk away and shrug their shoulders? I mean how much more lenient than mace could one use to anyone of any age acting out?

So the girl wouldn't put her feet in the car. Even if they called a child psychologist out to get the girl to comply, what should said expert do? Talk politely to a child screaming? Give her an injection of Thorazine? Grab her feet and forced it inside? Maybe perform a suplex?...what is it? Everyone talks like they have the answer but ....

 

[ch33zw1z]

I still have not seen anyone mention what the other option is for officials handling destructive children...send them to time out in the corner? Walk away and shrug their shoulders? I mean how much more lenient than mace could one use to anyone of any age acting out?

So the girl wouldn't put her feet in the car. Even if they called a child psychologist out to get the girl to comply, what should said expert do? Talk politely to a child screaming? Give her an injection of Thorazine? Grab her feet and forced it inside? Maybe perform a suplex?...what is it? Everyone talks like they have the answer but ....

Words make a difference. Also, there are regular plebs working with kids on a daily basis who are trained in how to do it. If some 20 something making chump change with no benes can do it....I'm sure our government services can do it.

There's many options. One example would be to not mace her.

 

[mect]

I still have not seen anyone mention what the other option is for officials handling destructive children...send them to time out in the corner? Walk away and shrug their shoulders? I mean how much more lenient than mace could one use to anyone of any age acting out?

So the girl wouldn't put her feet in the car. Even if they called a child psychologist out to get the girl to comply, what should said expert do? Talk politely to a child screaming? Give her an injection of Thorazine? Grab her feet and forced it inside? Maybe perform a suplex?...what is it? Everyone talks like they have the answer but ....

You deescalate the situation. So yes, you talk to the child. Maybe it takes an hour or two for the child to calm down. That's okay. You don't fucking pepper spray them. A parent who pepper sprayed their kid would be in front of a judge.