If you accidentally get a girl pregnant

[K1052]

Originally posted by: eLiTeGoodGuy
Now lets ask 1 more question... As this used to happen to me... I would wake up in the middle of the night with my GF at the time (soon to be wife, soon to be ex wife, lol) right on top of me goin to town. Granted it was a good thing to wake up to, who would be resposible as I did not consent to the act?

With no witnesses to prove it was non-consentual you're screwed if she got pregnant.

 

[Alphathree33]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

Men have no rights period. It's the woman's body and she decides whether or not to carry the baby. It also doesn't matter if you're married or not.

I feel if they can force a man to pay for a child for 18 years, they can force a woman not to abort a child or at least give her a major fine if she does.

I definitely think it should be the woman's choice to abort or not. But I think that if the man wants to abort and the woman doesn't, and the man makes that perfectly clear, then that should clear him of responsibility. (Except perhaps he should be required to share the cost of the abortion.)

If the man does NOT want an abortion and the woman does, I agree that the man is basically SOL. But maybe the woman should have to make payments to the man for 18 years to relieve him of the grief of a lost child. =)

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

IIRC, the woman gets the final say in all cases provided she is competent.

No say. All pay.

The man has an obligation to the child. The woman has control over what is done to her body.

If the man is that concerned, he should use multiple forms of protection, not have sex, or just go ahead and have a vasectomy and have some of his swimmers stored away in case he ever does want a child.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: Mwilding
It is a simple lesson. If you aren't ready for the committment, then you best be wrappin that rascal up nice and tight.

I'm NOT looking for the MORAL LESSON here. I was curious about the LEGAL OBLIGATIONS.

is this still a "hypothetical situation"?

Yes it is. My girlfriend and I are happily not pregnant. And if she was, I'd raise the kid with her. =)

I was getting worked up because ATOT always gets way off track. I try to ask a specific question and people hijack the thread in every which direction.

Did I ever tell you about the time I rented a Lotus Elise?

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: Mwilding
It is a simple lesson. If you aren't ready for the committment, then you best be wrappin that rascal up nice and tight.

I'm NOT looking for the MORAL LESSON here. I was curious about the LEGAL OBLIGATIONS.

is this still a "hypothetical situation"?

Yes it is. My girlfriend and I are happily not pregnant. And if she was, I'd raise the kid with her. =)

I was getting worked up because ATOT always gets way off track. I try to ask a specific question and people hijack the thread in every which direction.

Did I ever tell you about the time I rented a Lotus Elise?

That was so friggen sweet. Aside from not having the means, I also think that I don't have the skill to really drive that car so it would be wasted on me without some training.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

So if the woman wants an abortion but the man is willing to raise the child and assume all responsibility it's OK that the woman can abort the child? I suppose that means your previous statement of "Don't wanna be a daddy, don't stick the babymaker where that might happen." doesn't have equal responsibility on the woman's side of "Don't wanna be a mommy, don't let a guy into your babymaker where it might happen".

Now, yes, it's different in cases of rape and such, but if the sex was consentual, why should the woman be allowed to abort the child if the man is willing to take all parental responsibilities?

ZV

Because it's her body and she's carrying it that's why.

 

[Bryophyte]

I don't understand why you wouldn't know the answer to this question already. What would lead you to believe that you would have no legal obligation to your child? That makes no sense to me.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Disclaimer: This is completely hypothetical. I'm genuinely curious because I don't know the answer. However, I know there are a bunch of 12-year-olds who will post two-word flames. I wish the mods would delete these posts.

So, yeah. Man has sex with woman. Woman gets pregnant (e.g. condom breaks, lies about birth control, pull out too late, etc.).

Baby undeniably belongs to man (e.g. man doesn't deny it, DNA shows it, etc.)

Man decides he wants nothing to do with woman and never speaks to her again.

Is woman now entitled to sue man/ask for child support/etc.? If so, what can the man do in response?

Please don't turn this into a thread about MORALS. It's obvious that guys who do this are pretty scummy. I'm just curious about how the law handles it.

The man has a legal responsibility to provide for the child. In response, he can raise it or pay child support. What is confusing you?

I didn't know if there were contingencies -- e.g. that they had to be married, or something to that effect.

wow.

so if you knock up a girl but since you aren't married you have no responsibilities? sheesh think it through.


you are stuck 18 years or until they are done with college.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

IIRC, the woman gets the final say in all cases provided she is competent.

No say. All pay.

The man has an obligation to the child. The woman has control over what is done to her body.

If the man is that concerned, he should use multiple forms of protection, not have sex, or just go ahead and have a vasectomy and have some of his swimmers stored away in case he ever does want a child.

She and He both want an abortion. Abort
He wants an abortion, she doesn't. Don't abort.
He does not want an abortion, she does. Don't abort. If she does, fine her. Throw her ass in jail if she doesn't pay, just like they would throw a man in jail if he did not pay.

Yeah, it's her body. I know. But just like him, she knew the risks.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: Mwilding
It is a simple lesson. If you aren't ready for the committment, then you best be wrappin that rascal up nice and tight.

I'm NOT looking for the MORAL LESSON here. I was curious about the LEGAL OBLIGATIONS.

is this still a "hypothetical situation"?

Yes it is. My girlfriend and I are happily not pregnant. And if she was, I'd raise the kid with her. =)

I was getting worked up because ATOT always gets way off track. I try to ask a specific question and people hijack the thread in every which direction.

Did I ever tell you about the time I rented a Lotus Elise?

That was so friggen sweet. Aside from not having the means, I also think that I don't have the skill to really drive that car so it would be wasted on me without some training.

Truth be told, I never pushed that car as far as it was capable. It's difficult to do with that car on public roads and not wind up wearing iron bracelets in the back of a patrol car.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Did I ever tell you about the time I rented a Lotus Elise?

Hey man, if you ever decide to do that again, let me know. We'll work out a time share schedule or something. :laugh:

 

[Pacemaker]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

So if the woman wants an abortion but the man is willing to raise the child and assume all responsibility it's OK that the woman can abort the child? I suppose that means your previous statement of "Don't wanna be a daddy, don't stick the babymaker where that might happen." doesn't have equal responsibility on the woman's side of "Don't wanna be a mommy, don't let a guy into your babymaker where it might happen".

Now, yes, it's different in cases of rape and such, but if the sex was consentual, why should the woman be allowed to abort the child if the man is willing to take all parental responsibilities?

ZV

Because it's her body and she's carrying it that's why.

Just sue for intentional affliction of emotional distress if she aborts. (if you feel that strongly about it) Most likely it wouldn't work, but with the way our legal system is going who knows.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

So if the woman wants an abortion but the man is willing to raise the child and assume all responsibility it's OK that the woman can abort the child? I suppose that means your previous statement of "Don't wanna be a daddy, don't stick the babymaker where that might happen." doesn't have equal responsibility on the woman's side of "Don't wanna be a mommy, don't let a guy into your babymaker where it might happen".

Now, yes, it's different in cases of rape and such, but if the sex was consentual, why should the woman be allowed to abort the child if the man is willing to take all parental responsibilities?

ZV

Because it's her body and she's carrying it that's why.

That's perfectly fine. It should be the choice of both parents, but since she is carrying the child, and since the father is contesting the abortion, there will be a fine. Problem solved.

 

[moshquerade]

good thing you won't ever have to worry about that.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: Mwilding
It is a simple lesson. If you aren't ready for the committment, then you best be wrappin that rascal up nice and tight.

I'm NOT looking for the MORAL LESSON here. I was curious about the LEGAL OBLIGATIONS.

is this still a "hypothetical situation"?

Yes it is. My girlfriend and I are happily not pregnant. And if she was, I'd raise the kid with her. =)

I was getting worked up because ATOT always gets way off track. I try to ask a specific question and people hijack the thread in every which direction.

Did I ever tell you about the time I rented a Lotus Elise?

That was so friggen sweet. Aside from not having the means, I also think that I don't have the skill to really drive that car so it would be wasted on me without some training.

Truth be told, I never pushed that car as far as it was capable. It's difficult to do with that car on public roads and not wind up wearing iron bracelets in the back of a patrol car.

They gotta catch you first

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Did I ever tell you about the time I rented a Lotus Elise?

Hey man, if you ever decide to do that again, let me know. We'll work out a time share schedule or something. :laugh:

They were very specific at Enterprise that I was the ONLY person who could drive it. Oh, and they don't offer insurance on it. I break it...I pay...or my insurance company pays.

 

[Tuktuk]

Buddy of mine dated this real b!tch a couple of years ago. She was like 15 and he was 17, she was basically a complete fvckup (I guess he is too though) and the kind of girl you'd see on one of those Maury shows with uncontrollable teens.

Anyway he finally got rid of her. My other friends and I had stopped talking to him for a few months when we saw she was smoking pot while pregnant at his house. Apparently they decided to be just friends and had broken up by the time this had happened, him telling us the baby isn't his. Fast forward to a couple months ago and my friend gets the surprise of his life, he is the father of a 2 year old kid. He has no job and still lives in his dad's basement.

I feel bad for the guy because he is screwed.. he had a chance at moving out on his own with his current g/f of 3 years who works for minimum wage at a grocery store. I mean they would've been poor but they would've been making it alright if he found a job. Now he is basically stuck for the next 16 years.

Wear a rubber, kids. And don't brag about how many abortions your ex girlfriends have had, because karma has a real good way of shutting you up

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

IIRC, the woman gets the final say in all cases provided she is competent.

No say. All pay.

The man has an obligation to the child. The woman has control over what is done to her body.

If the man is that concerned, he should use multiple forms of protection, not have sex, or just go ahead and have a vasectomy and have some of his swimmers stored away in case he ever does want a child.

She and He both want an abortion. Abort
He wants an abortion, she doesn't. Don't abort.
He does not want an abortion, she does. Don't abort. If she does, fine her. Throw her ass in jail if she doesn't pay, just like they would throw a man in jail if he did not pay.

Yeah, it's her body. I know. But just like him, she knew the risks.

I disagree.

 

[BDawg]

Side question - if I steal money from someone, am I *legally* at fault? Let's say they know it and I don't deny it. What are the *legal* requirements.

Don't get off on a moral discussion, just *legal.*

A "friend" wants to know.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Disclaimer: This is completely hypothetical. I'm genuinely curious because I don't know the answer. However, I know there are a bunch of 12-year-olds who will post two-word flames. I wish the mods would delete these posts.

So, yeah. Man has sex with woman. Woman gets pregnant (e.g. condom breaks, lies about birth control, pull out too late, etc.).

Baby undeniably belongs to man (e.g. man doesn't deny it, DNA shows it, etc.)

Man decides he wants nothing to do with woman and never speaks to her again.

Is woman now entitled to sue man/ask for child support/etc.? If so, what can the man do in response?

Please don't turn this into a thread about MORALS. It's obvious that guys who do this are pretty scummy. I'm just curious about how the law handles it.

The man has a legal responsibility to provide for the child. In response, he can raise it or pay child support. What is confusing you?

I didn't know if there were contingencies -- e.g. that they had to be married, or something to that effect.

wow.

so if you knock up a girl but since you aren't married you have no responsibilities? sheesh think it through.


you are stuck 18 years or until they are done with college.

:word;

What did you expect the answer to be? "No, they had FILTHY DIRTY PREMARITAL HEATHEN SEX so he's off the hook"?

- M4H

 

[DivideBYZero]

Spray the man-milk and you can bet you'll be paying for it till the git is 18.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: BDawg
Side question - if I steal money from someone, am I *legally* at fault? Let's say they know it and I don't deny it. What are the *legal* requirements.

Don't get off on a moral discussion, just *legal.*

A "friend" wants to know.

HYPOTHETICAL LOLZ
So I found out that my buddy ... let's call him DBawg ... was stealing from me. I know it and he didn't deny it. Am I *legally* at fault if I kill him?

Don't get off on a moral discussion, just *legal.*

- M4H

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Spray the man-milk and you can bet you'll be paying for it till the git is 18.

Text

- M4H

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: BDawg
Side question - if I steal money from someone, am I *legally* at fault? Let's say they know it and I don't deny it. What are the *legal* requirements.

Don't get off on a moral discussion, just *legal.*

A "friend" wants to know.

HYPOTHETICAL LOLZ
So I found out that my buddy ... let's call him DBawg ... was stealing from me. I know it and he didn't deny it. Am I *legally* at fault if I kill him?

Don't get off on a moral discussion, just *legal.*

- M4H

On an unrelated note, I need a kidney transplant. I know that M4H has an extra but he does'nt want to give it to me. I know it's his body and all but I will care for it and he will have no responsibility. Am I *legally* in trouble if I knock him out, take the kidney, and leave him in a bathtub full of ice with a bottle of aspirin?


Don't get off on a moral discussion, just *legal.*

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Man accidentally gets girl pregnant. Man wants abortion. Woman does not. They take it to court. Who wins? Why?
Reverse situation. Man wants the child, woman does not. Take it to court. Who wins?

when men can have babies we'll talk.

So if the woman wants an abortion but the man is willing to raise the child and assume all responsibility it's OK that the woman can abort the child? I suppose that means your previous statement of "Don't wanna be a daddy, don't stick the babymaker where that might happen." doesn't have equal responsibility on the woman's side of "Don't wanna be a mommy, don't let a guy into your babymaker where it might happen".

Now, yes, it's different in cases of rape and such, but if the sex was consentual, why should the woman be allowed to abort the child if the man is willing to take all parental responsibilities?

ZV

Because it's her body and she's carrying it that's why.

Don't wanna carry it, don't have sex. It's not her body either, it's the child's life.

ZV