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TheOmegaCode

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Originally posted by: Bleep

Great answer. You see the big problem with the Linux/Unix bunch is they look at their favorite OS in the same terms that most people look at their religon and it becomes a crusade with them to show that anyone that does not use Unix/linux as some kind of stupid asss that does not know what is good for them.

Mac OS is a unix derivitive and I dont see them touting os10 or some other Apple junk.

Does dual booting make you a moron? Some would like to say this, how about when you dual boot lets say red hat and debian does that also make you a moron?

Bleep
You just criticised everyone that called someoen else an idiot for rashly judging a person for their preference in Operating Systems, and then preceded to called apple junk in the same post. Bravo...
As for dual Booting RedHat and Debian, that's not necessarily stupid or moronic, but it is a bit lame :p
 

TheOmegaCode

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Why do so many people dual-boot with another Windows OS?
Not to hijak the thread or start a flame war (this is an honest question), but do a lot of Mac users still dual boot OSX and 9.x?
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Why do so many people dual-boot with another Windows OS?

I never would have you figured for a flame war starter... ;)

I am one of those people, but this was not meant as flame bait. I was genuinely curious.

But in any case, I think the reason is plain old "I like what I use and I will resist change". People don't want to try new things and have trouble switching over to something new, so they hold on to the old as long as possible.

But they have almost switched. Its not that they are not trying, its that someone the OS is letting them down. Whether this is the fault of the user or the OS itself is part of what I am trying to find out.

This is somewhat similar, and yet different, from people who haven't used Windows since 3.11 and know very little about it, yet still maintain "it sucks". Ahem, ahem, certain Unix geeks out there (not you, n0c, of course). In any case, I digress :)

Group the unix users together... Not that certain Microsoft fan boys dont feel the same way about their latest baby. I will not name names, but those people know who they are ;)
 

n0cmonkey

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Well I triple boot 98/XP/RH8 because my scanner won?t work in XP and I am too cheap to buy another one. I want to figure out Linux before Paladin comes.

I had to dual boot for a while between 98 and 2000 because it took a while to get everything to work correctly under 2k.

Ok, when 2k/XP first came out, they werent perfect. That makes sense.

The fact some manufacturers feel no need to support their hardware makes sense (although why consumers let them get away with this baffles me).

Unsupported games are a similar situation. Get a patch!
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Bleep
you could probably do without calling someone you dont know an idiot. i'm sure you couldnt build a power supply or program a cnc machine, yet i'm sure he would not call you an idiot based on that

Great answer. You see the big problem with the Linux/Unix bunch is they look at their favorite OS in the same terms that most people look at their religon and it becomes a crusade with them to show that anyone that does not use Unix/linux as some kind of stupid asss that does not know what is good for them.

Yes, it is just the Unix/linux/BSD/Solaris/Apple/Microsoft folk that do this. But only them. The VMS users are about to die at this point, mainframers know they suck, and OS2/BeOS users? Do they still exist?

Mac OS is a unix derivitive and I dont see them touting os10 or some other Apple junk.

First, you do not pay attention to my posts. Second you fall into the same trap you preach about.

Does dual booting make you a moron? Some would like to say this, how about when you dual boot lets say red hat and debian does that also make you a moron?

Bleep

There are only one group of people that I know that do things like that.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Originally posted by: Bleep

Great answer. You see the big problem with the Linux/Unix bunch is they look at their favorite OS in the same terms that most people look at their religon and it becomes a crusade with them to show that anyone that does not use Unix/linux as some kind of stupid asss that does not know what is good for them.

Mac OS is a unix derivitive and I dont see them touting os10 or some other Apple junk.

Does dual booting make you a moron? Some would like to say this, how about when you dual boot lets say red hat and debian does that also make you a moron?

Bleep
You just criticised everyone that called someoen else an idiot for rashly judging a person for their preference in Operating Systems, and then preceded to called apple junk in the same post. Bravo...
As for dual Booting RedHat and Debian, that's not necessarily stupid or moronic, but it is a bit lame :p

To continue from my last post, unless you are a developer :)
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Why do so many people dual-boot with another Windows OS?
Not to hijak the thread or start a flame war (this is an honest question), but do a lot of Mac users still dual boot OSX and 9.x?

Yes, but that is a different situation in my opinion. OS 9 and OS X are essentually incompatible. Win9x and WinNT are not. They are both win32, so some (if not most) applications can run on 9x and NT/2k/xp without much (if any modification). OS X is a different arch than 9. Plus, the ability to use classic requires what is essentually a dual-boot.
 

TheOmegaCode

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Why do so many people dual-boot with another Windows OS?
Not to hijak the thread or start a flame war (this is an honest question), but do a lot of Mac users still dual boot OSX and 9.x?

Yes, but that is a different situation in my opinion. OS 9 and OS X are essentually incompatible. Win9x and WinNT are not. They are both win32, so some (if not most) applications can run on 9x and NT/2k/xp without much (if any modification). OS X is a different arch than 9. Plus, the ability to use classic requires what is essentually a dual-boot.
Oh, I'm fully aware than OSX and OS9 are a completely different breed. I was just curious because last I checked, Jobs was trying his damnedest to kill off OS9. I was just wondering how that battle was going.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Why do so many people dual-boot with another Windows OS?
Not to hijak the thread or start a flame war (this is an honest question), but do a lot of Mac users still dual boot OSX and 9.x?

Yes, but that is a different situation in my opinion. OS 9 and OS X are essentually incompatible. Win9x and WinNT are not. They are both win32, so some (if not most) applications can run on 9x and NT/2k/xp without much (if any modification). OS X is a different arch than 9. Plus, the ability to use classic requires what is essentually a dual-boot.
Oh, I'm fully aware than OSX and OS9 are a completely different breed. I was just curious because last I checked, Jobs was trying his damnedest to kill off OS9. I was just wondering how that battle was going.

Last I heard, only like 20% of Apple users switched to OS X. But I havent checked in a while. OS 9 is dead.
 

Nothinman

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you could probably do without calling someone you dont know an idiot

Probably, but it makes things more interesting this way =)

i'm sure you couldnt build a power supply or program a cnc machine, yet i'm sure he would not call you an idiot based on that.

No, I can't. The main difference is I'm not trying to build a power supply, but he is trying to use a computer =)

And I call myself and idiot all the time when I do stupid things, at some point in time everyone's an idiot.

You see the big problem with the Linux/Unix bunch is they look at their favorite OS in the same terms that most people look at their religon and it becomes a crusade with them to show that anyone that does not use Unix/linux as some kind of stupid asss that does not know what is good for them.

Except in this case I was calling him and idiot for not understanding Windows. I could care less what OS you use, once palladium becomes a reality you'll either fully hand over control to MS or find an alternative =)

Mac OS is a unix derivitive and I dont see them touting os10 or some other Apple junk.

A friend of mine has a Mac and I really like OS X, I would highly recommend it to anyone looking to buy a new computer.

Does dual booting make you a moron? Some would like to say this, how about when you dual boot lets say red hat and debian does that also make you a moron?

Most likely it makes you a software developer who has to create packages for both, and then I would suggest getting something like VMWare to run one of them in so you don't have to reboot so much. But as we've seen, most people who dual boot different versions of Windows do it for games.

Not to hijak the thread or start a flame war (this is an honest question), but do a lot of Mac users still dual boot OSX and 9.x?

You can run Classic apps in OS X as long as you have OS 9 installed on the hard disk, so no rebooting is necessary. It's a kludge until apps get ported, but it works surprisingly well.
 

josphII

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well the primary reason was compadibility. when 2k first came out there were several programs that didnt run on it, partition magic for example. eventually newer versions of the program were released and this wasnt an issue. i never bothered to 'upgrade' to 2k because of this. i did however dual boot with winxp when that finally came out figuring one day i would eventually no longer need win98, which always ran beautifully for me i might add. so after a couple of months of dual booting (mostly into windows 98) i had upgraded my software to thd poitn where dual booting wasnt really necessary, however i came to realize that the defacto winxp drivers for my modem didnt work!! (at this particular time i was in the process of moving and needed to use a dial up connection for a few weeks) i searched the web vastly but the company that made my POS win modem was taken over/merged with another company and support had stopped for my modem. so basically i couldnt get on the net with windows xp! when my dsl connection was finally up i went to windows update and, sure enough, ms released updated drives for my modem which actually worked - not that they were needed at this point. months have past since and at this point I havnt wiped my hd of the win98 partition mostly because of time/effort and mostly because of sentiment - that os worked beautifully for me for so long, kinda sad to see it go. i basically never boot into win98 anymore.
 

starwarsdad

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On the dual booting issue, I do not use a dual boot of any 2 OSes. I run VMWare to test things on different OSes or just to poke around when I have a few extra minutes to try to learn something.

On OS X and OS 9, I rarely have to leave OS X to actuallt boot into 9. The only time I was forced to do this was installing Final Cut Pro. I need the "Classic Mode" to run Quark Xpress and a few other apps that haven't been ported over yet.
 

sxr7171

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Originally posted by: josphII
well the primary reason was compadibility. when 2k first came out there were several programs that didnt run on it, partition magic for example. eventually newer versions of the program were released and this wasnt an issue. i never bothered to 'upgrade' to 2k because of this. i did however dual boot with winxp when that finally came out figuring one day i would eventually no longer need win98, which always ran beautifully for me i might add. so after a couple of months of dual booting (mostly into windows 98) i had upgraded my software to thd poitn where dual booting wasnt really necessary, however i came to realize that the defacto winxp drivers for my modem didnt work!! (at this particular time i was in the process of moving and needed to use a dial up connection for a few weeks) i searched the web vastly but the company that made my POS win modem was taken over/merged with another company and support had stopped for my modem. so basically i couldnt get on the net with windows xp! when my dsl connection was finally up i went to windows update and, sure enough, ms released updated drives for my modem which actually worked - not that they were needed at this point. months have past since and at this point I havnt wiped my hd of the win98 partition mostly because of time/effort and mostly because of sentiment - that os worked beautifully for me for so long, kinda sad to see it go. i basically never boot into win98 anymore.

I also feel pretty much the same as you do. I really don't play games much but when I do, most clearly run faster in Win98, especially with a minimal Win98 install that I never use and optimize specifically for gaming. As does yours, my Win98 partition carries sentimental value and I don't see any point in deleting it if I have the extra hard-drive space for it. Yes, there are many ways to recover from a Win2k problem, there are boot disks, rescue disks, ghost images, bootable CDs, and Partition Magic rescue disks, but sometimes you just need a second OS to get your work done - that means no time for fun and games with restore disks and other goodies. One could argue the Win2k almost never fails and that has been my experience, but on one occasion a power failure caused the loss of some files needed for boot up and successful startup I got into Win98, finished my business and then repaired Win2k using the recovery console later when I had the time to do so. In case the Win2k partition needs an emergency reinstall, I prefer to get the few data files I keep (and haven?t recently backed up on a non-OS partition) on an OS partition out of there using Windows over using DOS since I can be more sure of getting everything (including ?favorites? and other knick knacks). Maybe having 2 Win2k partitions may serve my purposes better and I am considering that option, but my system will dual-boot 2 OSes for the foreseeable future, whatever my choice of those OSes may be.

P.S. No one has yet offered any evidence that games run as fast in Win2k as they do in Win98. There are many factors in play here, if someone has only 256MB RAM, then they might be constrained by the amount of RAM in their system and may be better playing games in an OS that has lower memory requirements (and don?t give me the usual Win2k manages memory 100 times better than Win98 reason ? I already know that. The real issue is whether it makes enough of a difference in an OS that will be running for maybe 2 hours while I am playing a game, that extra raw memory requirement of Win2k stills has an advantage). Although I know Win98 also runs processes similar to many Win2k services (just without the ability to manage them), there can be no denying that even the most pared down installation/configuration of Win2k will still run more things in the background than Win98. If I need to play a game that is not demanding of my system or I if don?t care to ?max out? one that is demanding, I just play them in Win2k. However, when I want to get the absolute most out of my video card and computer for games (this means pushing the limits of AA, Aniso, Resolution etc. possible on my system), I still boot into my Win98 partition. My Win98 partition has no programs that are not absolutely necessary to play games; it has the minimal windows installation - to make games run faster on it. I can't do the same with my main 'business' OS, so I keep a specially optimized Win98 partition around for that one time in 6 months I want to play a game and I feel like making sure it is running as fast as my computer can possibly make it run. When someone can offer a convincing argument that this role can be better handled by a specially optimized, minimal Win2k installation then I'll be the first to dual boot to such a Win2k installation. Personal characterizations do not count as convincing arguments or compelling reasons.