If we want a worst case scenario, here it is.

Lemon law

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We know for an almost certainty, more aid ships will keep coming trying to break the Israeli Gaza blockade. And eventually, one or more nations will send their own warships to stop Israel from boarding those aid ships if Israel does not end the blockade.

But God no yeech yuck, the swiftest way to ignite a hell of a shooting war is Iran being that nation who sends war ships. But sure enough, just when we thought the Gaza flotilla crisis could not get worse, it just did.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010...-uk-israel-flotilla-iran.html?ref=global-home

As Iran carp Diem seizes the moment, and offers to be the escorting nation.

Which could wave the worst case red flag in front of the Israeli bull, guaranteed to create mass hysteria in both Iran and Israel, and make the most rational on either side into trigger happy maniac's.

On one hand Iran does not have a conventional Navy with large capital ships to speak of, they have super fast small ships in large numbers packing anti ship missiles that pack a hell of a wallop. That could be very effective in non-violently preventing any Israeli boarding by sea or air.

In such a show done, the side that fires first may lose, but it can also really have a potential to really ignite total world wide violence.

As for me, I hope Obama gets off his dead ass, because he can't safely sit on the fence.
 

charrison

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We know for an almost certainty, more aid ships will keep coming trying to break the Israeli Gaza blockade. And eventually, one or more nations will send their own warships to stop Israel from boarding those aid ships if Israel does not end the blockade.

But God no yeech yuck, the swiftest way to ignite a hell of a shooting war is Iran being that nation who sends war ships. But sure enough, just when we thought the Gaza flotilla crisis could not get worse, it just did.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010...-uk-israel-flotilla-iran.html?ref=global-home

As Iran carp Diem seizes the moment, and offers to be the escorting nation.

Which could wave the worst case red flag in front of the Israeli bull, guaranteed to create mass hysteria in both Iran and Israel, and make the most rational on either side into trigger happy maniac's.

On one hand Iran does not have a conventional Navy with large capital ships to speak of, they have super fast small ships in large numbers packing anti ship missiles that pack a hell of a wallop. That could be very effective in non-violently preventing any Israeli boarding by sea or air.

In such a show done, the side that fires first may lose, but it can also really have a potential to really ignite total world wide violence.

As for me, I hope Obama gets off his dead ass, because he can't safely sit on the fence.



Dont worry, Obama can solve problems with iran just by talking to them.
 

nageov3t

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I challenge your eventuality and propose that no western nation likes Hamas enough to send warships into Israeli waters and it certainly wouldn't be Iran.

Iran funnels weapons into Gaza specifically because they don't want an out and out conflict with Israel and if they did directly confront Israel, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that the US would sit on the sidelines.
 

TwinsenTacquito

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Why do they need aid again? Oh right, so they can drive hundreds of miles to a place they've never seen (but totally deserve to own) so they can blow people up that they've never met.

Should we love and take care of our own? No, let's just start wars.
 

Lemon law

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I challenge your eventuality and propose that no western nation likes Hamas enough to send warships into Israeli waters and it certainly wouldn't be Iran.

Iran funnels weapons into Gaza specifically because they don't want an out and out conflict with Israel and if they did directly confront Israel, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that the US would sit on the sidelines.
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To start out loki, recent history shows you are totally full of shit in terms of Iran arming Hamas. One one hand there is some cred that Hezzbollah acquired Iranian weapons via Syria, and as history shows, Hezzbollah used those Iranian weapons to great effect against invading Israeli tanks in Lebanon. Now riddle me this Loki, if Iran had armed Hamas in Gaza, how come Hamas and Gaza was absolutely defenseless when Israel invaded Gaza in 2008.
In short loki, think before you post, facts are sharp things, and they will cut you if you try to juggle them.

My other point is that Achmadinejad is easily dismissed as a light weight motor mouth fool by many, but a former British PM named Tony Blair thought the same, but ole Tony in that face off ended up the loser. Who lost his cred, lost his job, when he dared to think he could outsmart Iran. And if Israel thinks it can outsmart Iran, they may find themselves outmaneuvered. And tempted to fire first and thus in the wrong.

I am not saying that is certain, I am more worried about igniting a very big shooting war everyone will lose.
 

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To start out loki, recent history shows you are totally full of shit in terms of Iran arming Hamas. One one hand there is some cred that Hezzbollah acquired Iranian weapons via Syria, and as history shows, Hezzbollah used those Iranian weapons to great effect against invading Israeli tanks in Lebanon. Now riddle me this Loki, if Iran had armed Hamas in Gaza, how come Hamas and Gaza was absolutely defenseless when Israel invaded Gaza in 2008.
In short loki, think before you post, facts are sharp things, and they will cut you if you try to juggle them.

A sane man would probably think that IDF is both better acquainted with Gaza fighting and that it went through a massive improvement process after 2006. But as I said this is what a sane man would do, so you can forget it.

The idea of "fast small ships" is very interesting, especially considering the thousands of miles it takes to get from Iran to Israel, if such a convoy ever passes the Israeli subs in the Persian Gulf. And let me tell you a secret: even if Iran sent out 1000 such boats to the Mediterranean, they'd be blown out of the water by attack helis quicker than you can say "Ahmadinejad".

Actually a military intervention by Iran would be brilliant for Israel, this is why it'll never happen. The Iranians will keep sending their IHH proxies, for fools like flavio to cheer on :D
 

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How do you propose that Iran escort blockade runners from the Persian Gulf to Gaza.

Through the Suez - perfect bottleneck/choke point.

They can not send them around the Horn - neither the "aid" vessels or the escorts are equiped for blue water and that distance.
 

SamurAchzar

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Conveniently LL doesn't have to deal with considerations imposed by reality. For all he cares, let the Iranian think how to get hundreds of 30' ships all the way from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean. He's a deranged armchair general with no regards to logistics.
 

cubby1223

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We know for an almost certainty, more aid ships will keep coming trying to break the Israeli Gaza blockade. And eventually, one or more nations will send their own warships to stop Israel from boarding those aid ships if Israel does not end the blockade.

Which nation? Which nation will go to war with Israel over Gaza?

Which Western country is looking at going to war in Sudan? Which Western country is looking at going to war in Iran?

You keep putting out these scenarios as if you think there is any credibility to them ever happening...
 

Lemon law

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Which nation? Which nation will go to war with Israel over Gaza?

Which Western country is looking at going to war in Sudan? Which Western country is looking at going to war in Iran?

You keep putting out these scenarios as if you think there is any credibility to them ever happening...
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I can't say you are not right cubby, but I really wonder where you dredged up this Sudan deflection?

But trust me cubby, I may be a legend in my own mind, but all in all, I have an annoyingly smug habit of being proven correct.

Once Israel loses its support from the artistic and intellectual communities all over the planet, its all over but the crying. The only Israeli compensation may be the bigger they are
the slower they will topple. Galileo proved that physic principle long ago, the longer the pendulum, the slower it swings.

Cubby, you seem to be under the delusion this crisis will soon be solved, when its just getting started, and the pressure against Israel will just gradually build.

Maybe we can both hope that all sides will come to their senses for a change, and we can achieve a just mid-east peace. But Israe will have t do something its never done to get there, make some realistic peace proposals concessions first.
 
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olds

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"Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards..."
What's "elite" about them, they have shoes?
 

IGBT

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send your obama over there to prostrate him self to the local leadership. at least you'll feel better about the inevitable outcome.
 

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I can't say you are not right cubby, but I really wonder where you dredged up this Sudan deflection?

But trust me cubby, I may be a legend in my own mind, but all in all, I have an annoyingly smug habit of being proven correct.

Once Israel loses its support from the artistic and intellectual communities all over the planet, its all over but the crying. The only Israeli compensation may be the bigger they are
the slower they will topple. Galileo proved that physic principle long ago, the longer the pendulum, the slower it swings.

Cubby, you seem to be under the delusion this crisis will soon be solved, when its just getting started, and the pressure against Israel will just gradually build.

Maybe we can both hope that all sides will come to their senses for a change, and we can achieve a just mid-east peace. But Israe will have t do something its never done to get there, make some realistic peace proposals concessions first.

Did it ever occur to you that the support of Israel is the only thing that keep Gaza going?
 

Noobtastic

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I musta missed the part where this is the US' fucking problem.

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Yup. I have yet to understand why this makes LL so enraged other than the fact that it involves his worst enemy - Israel.

Perhaps if Gazans were starving to death and eating each other, than maybe I could sympathize - maybe, but I know what Israel does and what the Muslims don't do, I know Hamas isn't lacking in funds and as long as the international community is bent on subsidizing the live of every Palestinian there will be no incentive to reform.

I don't want my tax-dollars contributing to Hamas infrastructure or empowering the Palestinian leadership.

This is all one big lightening rod designed by the Muslim lobby to distract from their on-going genocides and oppression campaigns throughout the lands. The milions actually starving in Sudan, the millions starving in Somalia, and the millions who starve in the Arab world (including Egypt) and yet the po-po Palestinians, whose leadership is richer than the queen of england, must dominate the news and take precedence over everyone else.

Oh, excuse me - Palestinians that can be exploited to blame Israel.

LL has yet to provide a solution to resolve the humanitarian crisis for Lebanon's Palestinians, who are subject to an apartheid status and denied citizenship.

Oh wait...but I guess you can't blame Israel for that one, so we won't talk about it. :rolleyes:

Did it ever occur to you that the support of Israel is the only thing that keep Gaza going?

You're assuming LL values human life in general. Life is worth nothing to leftist. IT's all about ideology. Israel's don't have a right to live without terrorism, and Palestinians don't have a right to live without being pawns to wage war with Israel because that would end LL fantasy land.

Though I guess it would be true, if Israel suddenly disappeared it is unlikely any Arab state would foot the bill.

When Gaza was independent of Israel and used as a staging ground by Egypt to attack Israelis, it was far more impoverished and malara was endemic.
 
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Jiggz

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We know for an almost certainty, more aid ships will keep coming trying to break the Israeli Gaza blockade. And eventually, one or more nations will send their own warships to stop Israel from boarding those aid ships if Israel does not end the blockade.

But God no yeech yuck, the swiftest way to ignite a hell of a shooting war is Iran being that nation who sends war ships. But sure enough, just when we thought the Gaza flotilla crisis could not get worse, it just did.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010...-uk-israel-flotilla-iran.html?ref=global-home

As Iran carp Diem seizes the moment, and offers to be the escorting nation.

Which could wave the worst case red flag in front of the Israeli bull, guaranteed to create mass hysteria in both Iran and Israel, and make the most rational on either side into trigger happy maniac's.

On one hand Iran does not have a conventional Navy with large capital ships to speak of, they have super fast small ships in large numbers packing anti ship missiles that pack a hell of a wallop. That could be very effective in non-violently preventing any Israeli boarding by sea or air.

In such a show done, the side that fires first may lose, but it can also really have a potential to really ignite total world wide violence.

As for me, I hope Obama gets off his dead ass, because he can't safely sit on the fence.

This only proves that those so called "aid ships" are truly sponsored by Iran as alleged by Israel! Whose main purpose is to provide arms to Hamas for the destruction of Israel. We all know Iran is incapable of doing "Mano for Mano" with Israel that's why all along they've used proxies or the so called terrorist or suicide war!
 

werepossum

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Iran is, like Lemon, mostly a legend in its own mind. Offering to provide a military escort is no more than offering to provide some armed martyrs. I worry about Turkey, who have made similar noises and who have a pretty decent navy with exactly the sort of ships (destroyers and frigates) useful for such convoy work. Should Turkey decide to force a military confrontation on behalf of Hamas, and the secularist forces in the Turkish military either go along or are purged, then Israel gets to decide between a resumption of foreign rockets killing its civilians or yet another Arab-Israeli war, this time with Turkey weighing in with the Arabs (and Persians.) If it's the latter, there's a decent chance of this thing either going nuclear or destroying NATO's remaining cohesiveness.
 

dahunan

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send your obama over there to prostrate him self to the local leadership. at least you'll feel better about the inevitable outcome.


What is wrong with you people

Bush KISSED the Saudi Prince on the lips.. and you have the nerve..
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dahunan

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FWIW.. all Iran would have to do is have divers sneak in and blow up another offshore well like the Gulf
 

dahunan

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Quote: Originally Posted by dahunan View Post What is wrong with you people Bush KISSED the Saudi Prince on the lips.. and you have the nerve.. Beats where Obama kissed him.

I am sort of guessing you were there ;)
 

rudder

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I guess Iran is looking to build some new ships to replace the ones that are going to end up on the bottom of the ocean.