If this memo is true, then PS2-emulation may be coming after all
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Sony might choose to do it on a case-by-case basis for PSN games (ie, no disc usage). If I were very interested in maximizing profit, I'd do it like that. They don't want people buying cheap used discs from GameStop, there's no ROI in that. 
I would just hesitate to get my hopes up very far. But we shall see!
I would just hesitate to get my hopes up very far. But we shall see!
Originally posted by: erwos
Sony might choose to do it on a case-by-case basis for PSN games (ie, no disc usage). If I were very interested in maximizing profit, I'd do it like that. They don't want people buying cheap used discs from GameStop, there's no ROI in that.
I would just hesitate to get my hopes up very far. But we shall see!
Why would they do it like that? They've been pretty good about giving consumers choices in the PS3 so it wouldn't make any sense for the emulator to only work with downloads. Besides, there are hundreds of PS2 titles that haven't been printed in years. IMHO, I think they would just sell the emulation and the downloads. If people want to buy in a store or download, the choice is theirs, no fuss no muss.
Golgatha
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Originally posted by: erwos
They don't want people buying cheap used discs from GameStop, there's no ROI in that.
Sure there is. It makes your customers happy and makes them more likely to buy a PS4. It also puts those on the edge between a PS3 and Elite 360 a little more towards a PS3, which translates into all kinds of money from accessories, PS3 games, and blu-ray licensing fees.
Originally posted by: Golgatha
Originally posted by: erwos
They don't want people buying cheap used discs from GameStop, there's no ROI in that.
Sure there is. It makes your customers happy and makes them more likely to buy a PS4. It also puts those on the edge between a PS3 and Elite 360 a little more towards a PS3, which translates into all kinds of money from accessories, PS3 games, and blu-ray licensing fees.
Add the "It only does Everything" adverts I've been seeing lately and it makes it more likely.
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: erwos
Sony might choose to do it on a case-by-case basis for PSN games (ie, no disc usage). If I were very interested in maximizing profit, I'd do it like that. They don't want people buying cheap used discs from GameStop, there's no ROI in that.
I would just hesitate to get my hopes up very far. But we shall see!
Why would they do it like that? They've been pretty good about giving consumers choices in the PS3 so it wouldn't make any sense for the emulator to only work with downloads. Besides, there are hundreds of PS2 titles that haven't been printed in years. IMHO, I think they would just sell the emulation and the downloads. If people want to buy in a store or download, the choice is theirs, no fuss no muss.
They didn't "give the consumers choices in the PS3", they kept removing features in order to try and remain price-competitive with the 360. Then, they introduced the PS3 Slim but discontinued the "fat" PS3. Again, no choice...the "fat" PS3 is done, and once stores sell through their stock, it's gone.
If Sony was really "giving the consumers choices", they would have a PS2 BC PS3 available right now for a bit more than the "regular" PS3. No such choice exists.
Besides, Sony still makes money on the PS2, so there is no incentive for them to re-introduce PS2 BC on the PS3.
I find erwos's example to be most likely. They will probably release some PS2 games on PSN so that they can maintain control with digital DRM and remove the option of reselling the game, thus maximizing the profit for Sony.
Originally posted by: Golgatha
Originally posted by: erwos
They don't want people buying cheap used discs from GameStop, there's no ROI in that.
Sure there is. It makes your customers happy and makes them more likely to buy a PS4. It also puts those on the edge between a PS3 and Elite 360 a little more towards a PS3, which translates into all kinds of money from accessories, PS3 games, and blu-ray licensing fees.
:laugh: Sony...caring about keeping the customers happy! That's a good one. Sony cares about one thing, and one thing only, and is very transparent about it: $$$.
Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars
Removing PS2 BC from the PS3
Two hundred and forty nine US dollars
Removing physical games from the PSP
Etc, etc...
I mean, come on, I like my PS3, and right now, much more than my 360 (which has RROD'ed), but please...leave the fanboism at the door.
If it's true (and is via downloadable PSN games), that's better than having nothing at all.
Also, if anyone ever manages to hack the PS3, whatever is used to emulate the PS2 games will probably be opened to ALL PS2 games one might have.
Also, if anyone ever manages to hack the PS3, whatever is used to emulate the PS2 games will probably be opened to ALL PS2 games one might have.
The PS3 is a hell of a entertainment system. Instead of using multiple devices, you can just use it. That's choice to me. As for the removal of features, the only one that people would miss was the card readers. But, seriously, when they had all those choices, the primary complaint was price. Now you're complaining about features you lost but aren't about the money you save. I'm sure they'd be happy to raise the price so you can get your features back.
Originally posted by: hans030390
If it's true (and is via downloadable PSN games), that's better than having nothing at all.
Also, if anyone ever manages to hack the PS3, whatever is used to emulate the PS2 games will probably be opened to ALL PS2 games one might have.
When I said "via PSN" I meant you would buy the emulation via PSN, not able to play only downloadable PS2 games.
You are the one that said...where is it now...
Ah yes, there it is...that Sony has been "pretty good about giving consumers choices in the PS3", when in fact, Sony has been LIMITING choices in the PS3 by removing features and discontinuing models left and right.
Talk about a rant...I directly addressed your post, and you go off on a tangent about how the PS3 is one heck of an entertainment system. Basically, the only thing the PS3 can do that the 360 can't is Blu-ray. I own both, so I can attest to that...can you?
Also, Microsoft actually provides choices, by allowing an entry level, basic model (the Arcade) and the more serious gamer version (the Pro/Elite). The PS3 has no such choice...it's whatever model is available at the time or nothing. Sony also does not provide the choice of a PS2 BC version of the PS3 any more...Microsoft always had that choice with every 360 (though it is far from perfect, it is still there).
Microsoft has also been able to drop the price of the 360 just fine without removing features.
You made a false statement, and I provided the facts to dispute it. You can call me an "M$ fanboi" or whatever, but I actually own both consoles, and I bought my PS3 back when it was $500, so your whole false accusation that I was "complaining about price" holds absolutely no water. I even say these things while my 360 is sitting dead with the RROD. Facts are facts, and I just call it like I see it. I'm not beholden to one company or product.
:roll:
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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
You are the one that said...where is it now...
Ah yes, there it is...that Sony has been "pretty good about giving consumers choices in the PS3", when in fact, Sony has been LIMITING choices in the PS3 by removing features and discontinuing models left and right.
Talk about a rant...I directly addressed your post, and you go off on a tangent about how the PS3 is one heck of an entertainment system. Basically, the only thing the PS3 can do that the 360 can't is Blu-ray. I own both, so I can attest to that...can you?
Also, Microsoft actually provides choices, by allowing an entry level, basic model (the Arcade) and the more serious gamer version (the Pro/Elite). The PS3 has no such choice...it's whatever model is available at the time or nothing. Sony also does not provide the choice of a PS2 BC version of the PS3 any more...Microsoft always had that choice with every 360 (though it is far from perfect, it is still there).
Microsoft has also been able to drop the price of the 360 just fine without removing features.
You made a false statement, and I provided the facts to dispute it. You can call me an "M$ fanboi" or whatever, but I actually own both consoles, and I bought my PS3 back when it was $500, so your whole false accusation that I was "complaining about price" holds absolutely no water. I even say these things while my 360 is sitting dead with the RROD. Facts are facts, and I just call it like I see it. I'm not beholden to one company or product.
:roll:
I think you and I are thinking about "choice" differently. I acknowledged the missing choices you mentioned earlier but those were never important for me. Besides, when you have a gigabit connection to your computer/server, a flashcard slot is nothing more than a curiosity. The linux option was never used by me so I don't care. I was interested in installing Linux, via Virtual PC, on my computer recently but I cannot think of a compelling reason considering Win7 does it all for me. So, Linux on my PS3 is even more useless. However, the things I do care about (upgradability, blu-ray, media server, PS3 games, PSone games) are what I meant by "been pretty good about giving consumers choices". They are what I do and what I appreciate. You are correct that insignificant (to me) choices have been eliminated but it does not negate the fact that they've been pretty good about choices. The disadvantage with the XBOX 360 is that extra features have to be bought and they can add up pretty quickly.
You came sideways and from an extreme point of view about SONY not giving consumer choices, which is false. They do. The ones they've taken away have been at the margins but they've certainly been good about the things I can do with my PS3.
EDIT: I'm about to go to the Track & Field park to exercise. You can argue with yourself until I get back.
I thought I made this case pretty clear, even for a hard-core Sony fanboy like yourself, but let me try again: it costs money to write an emulator, especially when you're talking about emulating a weird platform (PS2) on a platform that's notoriously annoying to code for (PS3). They won't make back their money if they allow you to buy used games from GameStop. They _could_ make it back if they only let it work with games that they sold online - not to mention that they'll save money on the emulator by tightly controlling what it works with (eg, no need for broad compatibility means less coding work).
This isn't outlandish - it appears to be Microsoft's de facto policy at this point for BC updates. It's not at all crazy to think Sony might go down the same path. It's not all a bad thing: at least PS3 gamers will get access to a bit of the PS2 library that they didn't have access to before. And digitally downloaded titles _are_ quite convenient, if nothing else.
What planet are you living on? They've ripped out PS2 BC, the card reader, alternate OS support, two USB ports, and SACD support since they released the PS3. In return, we get bitstream support for HD codecs (who cares?) and HDMI-CEC support (which is nice, I admit). Not a great trade at all.
Yes, exactly. That's why they'll want to sell titles online only, so they can actually capture some licensing revenue.
Selling the emulation would be a debacle - you'd wind up with the 360 having "free BC" and the PS3 having "for pay BC" in the checkboxes. If they release an emulator, it'll be free, IMHO... you'll just be paying for the games, whether you like it or not.
Maybe I'll be proven wrong. We shall see. But I do think I've made a compelling case as to why a company like Sony, which is having some serious profitability issues, would not be eager to just hand you emulation with no well-defined upside to themselves.
I think everyone knew this would be coming and no they aren't going to let you play your PS2 disks. It is just going to be a per game emulation and you'll have to buy the PSN version.
Next gen, no consoles will have BC (maybe Wii but I don't count it). They will all be sold over PSN and XBL.
Next gen, no consoles will have BC (maybe Wii but I don't count it). They will all be sold over PSN and XBL.
Yes, kind of like that. Microsoft is trying to make a buck. That's not something exclusive to Microsoft. Sony and Nintendo tend to do the same thing, just in different ways.
But, is Sony paying you or something? If not, why are you so emotionally invested in promoting the PS3 and bashing the 360 at every opportunity? Do you feel like your choice of console somehow defines you, and that since you chose a PS3, that any criticism of the PS3 is somehow a criticism of yourself? And that, hey, bashing the 360 shows how you're BETTER than 360 owners?
Ordinarily, I wouldn't even care, because, hey, it's the Internets. But you make an annoying ass out of yourself by jumping into every thread that's related to the 360 (maybe the Wii, too? I don't go in those too often) and just bash it relentlessly, often using the thinnest of opportunities (for an example, look at what you did just now!), which completely derails the original topic. It's astonishingly immature behavior, and, speaking from life experience, if you make a habit of this kind of thing, it WILL carry into real life.
So, for yourself and for us, please try to grow up a bit. Thanks.
He turns every thread into a fanboy bashing thread. This conversation isn't even about the Xbox.
destrekor
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I think the approach can be worked on, but the arguments can be seen as somewhat logical. And I'm not just talking about one poster here, but rather, all comments that others deem fanboyism.
There is certain logic that always radiates from such comments, and it's rather simple: let's help this company sell more consoles. The more people who buy it, the more software is sold, and thus, games will likely get even better.
We PS3 users have been shorted too many times by developers making shoddy ports from the 360.
It just doesn't matter the thread either: as soon as a PS3 or 360 is mentioned, the thread is quickly dead and is now a fanboy war. Rarely is it actually that too, it's just seen as such.
It doesn't help that there are a lot of perceptions against the PS3, and we PS3 owners get tired of that. And what doesn't help, is Sony often annoys us with their idiotic decisions at times.
I do, however, seriously look forward to the PS4 some 3 or 4 years from now. Why? Sony has been late to the online world, they had a tease with the PS2, but the XBOX already had a decent online option. Sony hadn't had the experience and did their best at first, and have improved upon that greatly. With a fresh new console and the experience, Sony has an opportunity to make a very well-rounded console. Or, they could butcher it just as easily and make an even worse launch than the PS3.
Regardless, I'm curious about how Sony will eventually go about PS2 emulation - I've been predicting it for a long time and greatly expect them to do something along those lines, but...
where in the OP's link was emulation ever talked about? Just a bit confused here...
AstroManLuca
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I don't see why Sony wouldn't go with Microsoft's model of allowing disc-based backwards compatibility while also selling digitized versions of some of their popular PS2 games (just like how MS sells downloadable "Xbox Originals" for some of their most popular games). Some PS2 games are very rare and expensive to obtain a disc, so why not sell them as downloads?
A small fee to download emulation software would be perfectly acceptable I think.
A small fee to download emulation software would be perfectly acceptable I think.
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Destructoid has the entire document.
Relevant portion:
Another addition I'd like to see not only on PSN but 360 too.
DC = Dreamcast. That would just be awesome. I was looking at my Dreamcast games collection that I can't play anymore and realized I actually miss playing Looney Tunes Space Race with my kids.
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