If this item from the INQ is correct, the R600 is a massive disappointment!

[Ackmed]

Why do you people rely so heavily upon the Inq, and various other rumors? Nothing is backed up by facts.It makes no sense. Wait until its released, then make a decision.

 

[ronnn]

Well, its been a very long wait and boredom is driving.

 

[aka1nas]

Hehe, I won't be buying anything until early June most likely. If it's anywhere close to the GTX at that price point, I'm sold.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
Pugnate - that seemed a bit of an overreaction. This is a video forum that is mostly populated by enthusiasts. I personally don't think that makes it an enthusiast forum. I come here just as often to ask questions about very midrange cards that most 'enthusiasts' wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.

you think enthusiast are rich people 6-figure incomes. haha.
6-figure income people don;t care about gaming. and certainly don't visit the video forum. they go to alien ware and get the latest, greatest machine. they don;t OC since they can afford the best of the best anyways.

enthusiast is anyone who like computers. i am an enthusiast. yet till last month i was using a x800gt.

Never seen that many invented stereotypes in such a few short sentences before. Any other words of wisdom? Think on this.. What made you type this stuff? LOL

 

[CaiNaM]

this close to launch, i'd speculate the INQ probably isn't too far off from the truth; they usually aren't this close to a product release.

most of the time if they're way off base (and even then they are usually right about a couple of things), it's been far in advance of the launch. in fact other recent rumors put the new XT's performance similar to the GTX, so they are hardly the only one's claiming simailar 'news'.

oh well, time will tell soon enough.

 

[Pugnate]

Everywhere I've checked the card is supposedly going to go for $500.

IF it goes for $400 then that's awesome.

 

[apoppin]

well r600 *already* is a massive disappointment ... being 9 months late

lets actually *see* the card before we make a performance judgment or "comparison"

how about some equal time to dissing the 2900xtx's competition - the 8800GTX ultra

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38925

the Ultra edition will use the same PCB as the GTX but with a modified cooler. NV is aiming at a 15-20 per cent bump in the benches.

The daftest part is that production is limited to tens of units, not tens of thousands. We hear tens, closer to zero than 100. If there are any left over after the press get theirs, they will go to boutique builders and similar low-volume places. There won't be enough to supply the big boys initially, if ever.

No word about drivers. Ironically, you will probably be hard pressed to find two of these puppies anywhere, so the chronic inability to deliver working SLI won't hamper this launch much. Come on guys, it has only been five months.

 

[aka1nas]

They better have a gold-plated cooler and be signed by Nvidia's CEO then.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: apoppin
well r600 *already* is a massive disappointment ... being 9 months late

lets actually *see* the card before we make a performance judgment or "comparison"

how about some equal time to dissing the 2900xtx's competition - the 8800GTX ultra

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38925

the Ultra edition will use the same PCB as the GTX but with a modified cooler. NV is aiming at a 15-20 per cent bump in the benches.

The daftest part is that production is limited to tens of units, not tens of thousands. We hear tens, closer to zero than 100. If there are any left over after the press get theirs, they will go to boutique builders and similar low-volume places. There won't be enough to supply the big boys initially, if ever.

No word about drivers. Ironically, you will probably be hard pressed to find two of these puppies anywhere, so the chronic inability to deliver working SLI won't hamper this launch much. Come on guys, it has only been five months.

Meh, they both look to be limited-production units, which will be replaced by cooler and faster running cards within a year, just like the 7800 GTX 512 and X1800 series.

Wow, I've never had a card stay this "high-end" before!

 

[MotF Bane]

Actually, from what I have been hearing on R600, there was a test run on the MIDRANGE R600 versus an 8800GTX, and the R600 won by about 300 points in 3dMark06. The top of the line R600 has 300 stream processors. I'll try to find the link, I think it was some guy's blog of information snuck out from ATI.

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: apoppin
well r600 *already* is a massive disappointment ... being 9 months late

lets actually *see* the card before we make a performance judgment or "comparison"

how about some equal time to dissing the 2900xtx's competition - the 8800GTX ultra

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38925

the Ultra edition will use the same PCB as the GTX but with a modified cooler. NV is aiming at a 15-20 per cent bump in the benches.

The daftest part is that production is limited to tens of units, not tens of thousands. We hear tens, closer to zero than 100. If there are any left over after the press get theirs, they will go to boutique builders and similar low-volume places. There won't be enough to supply the big boys initially, if ever.

No word about drivers. Ironically, you will probably be hard pressed to find two of these puppies anywhere, so the chronic inability to deliver working SLI won't hamper this launch much. Come on guys, it has only been five months.

Well IF that is true... Please note the word "IF"... then it would explain the $999 price tag?

I guess in the end you can tell how good a card is going to be from its pricing.

BTW was that 999 thing reported only by the INQ or others as well?

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: aka1nas
They better have a gold-plated cooler and be signed by Nvidia's CEO then.

No, you are thinking of ATi's overpriced and unavailable products, not nvidia's...

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[redbox]

Originally posted by: aka1nas
They better have a gold-plated cooler and be signed by Nvidia's CEO then.

Naw, I want mine signed by Gstanfor that guy is teh coolest!

<insert LOTS of sarcasm>

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Pugnate

Originally posted by: apoppin
well r600 *already* is a massive disappointment ... being 9 months late

lets actually *see* the card before we make a performance judgment or "comparison"

how about some equal time to dissing the 2900xtx's competition - the 8800GTX ultra

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38925

the Ultra edition will use the same PCB as the GTX but with a modified cooler. NV is aiming at a 15-20 per cent bump in the benches.

The daftest part is that production is limited to tens of units, not tens of thousands. We hear tens, closer to zero than 100. If there are any left over after the press get theirs, they will go to boutique builders and similar low-volume places. There won't be enough to supply the big boys initially, if ever.

No word about drivers. Ironically, you will probably be hard pressed to find two of these puppies anywhere, so the chronic inability to deliver working SLI won't hamper this launch much. Come on guys, it has only been five months.

Well IF that is true... Please note the word "IF"... then it would explain the $999 price tag?

I guess in the end you can tell how good a card is going to be from its pricing.

BTW was that 999 thing reported only by the INQ or others as well?

Because the FX5800 was such a beast....oh wait

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: Pugnate

I guess in the end you can tell how good a card is going to be from its pricing.

Hardly. How many times have cards been released where prices initially didn't correlate well with their performance?

Think of the cards that were priced cheaply yet performed as good or better than the next higher card when overclocked or BIOS flashed.

And in the other direction, look at the 8600GTS which has arguably weak performance for its price and I think there was an X1600 or something around that number last year that was very weak in actual gaming performance. And of course we could go back to older cards for more examples.

You know how to tell how good a card is? Benchmark it. Simple as that.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: Pugnate

I guess in the end you can tell how good a card is going to be from its pricing.

Hardly. How many times have cards been released where prices initially didn't correlate well with their performance?

Think of the cards that were priced cheaply yet performed as good or better than the next higher card when overclocked or BIOS flashed.

And in the other direction, look at the 8600GTS which has arguably weak performance for its price and I think there was an X1600 or something around that number last year that was very weak in actual gaming performance. And of course we could go back to older cards for more examples.

You know how to tell how good a card is? Benchmark it. Simple as that.

:thumbsup:

 

[Auric]

'tis a good bet that the R600 will indeed be short-lived. Normally, the RV derivitives come later but with the delay they caught up and thus led to the forthcoming "complete line release". Therefore, the refresh (of R600) is likely to come quicker on the heels than usual.

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: Pugnate

I guess in the end you can tell how good a card is going to be from its pricing.

Hardly. How many times have cards been released where prices initially didn't correlate well with their performance?

Think of the cards that were priced cheaply yet performed as good or better than the next higher card when overclocked or BIOS flashed.

And in the other direction, look at the 8600GTS which has arguably weak performance for its price and I think there was an X1600 or something around that number last year that was very weak in actual gaming performance. And of course we could go back to older cards for more examples.

You know how to tell how good a card is? Benchmark it. Simple as that.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsdown:

The stupidity is getting really irritating.

So you are saying benchmarking is a better indicator's of a product's performance than price? No ****** genius.

Why don't you go ahead and provide me benchmarks two weeks before the card is widely available? Man with statements like that you should change your handle to "captain Obvious"

OK I guess I will have to spell it out for you like a ten year old:

When a card is still weeks from launch and you want to get a mental picture of how it will perform, and don't have benchmarks available, then sometimes its pricing is a good indicator as to how it will perform.

If the 2900XT was 25% faster than the 8800GTX it would NOT be $200 cheaper.

Is that clear enough for you, or should I use simpler language?

As for the 8600GTS it is direct x 10 part for $150. That's pretty fair until it has direct competitors.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Pugnate

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: Pugnate

I guess in the end you can tell how good a card is going to be from its pricing.

Hardly. How many times have cards been released where prices initially didn't correlate well with their performance?

Think of the cards that were priced cheaply yet performed as good or better than the next higher card when overclocked or BIOS flashed.

And in the other direction, look at the 8600GTS which has arguably weak performance for its price and I think there was an X1600 or something around that number last year that was very weak in actual gaming performance. And of course we could go back to older cards for more examples.

You know how to tell how good a card is? Benchmark it. Simple as that.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsdown:

The stupidity is getting really irritating.

So you are saying benchmarking is a better indicator's of a product's performance than price? No ****** genius.

Why don't you go ahead and provide me benchmarks two weeks before the card is widely available? Man with statements like that you should change your handle to "captain Obvious"

OK I guess I will have to spell it out for you like a ten year old:

When a card is still weeks from launch and you want to get a mental picture of how it will perform, and don't have benchmarks available, then sometimes its pricing is a good indicator as to how it will perform.

If the 2900XT was 25% faster than the 8800GTX it would NOT be $200 cheaper.

Is that clear enough for you, or should I use simpler language?

As for the 8600GTS it is direct x 10 part for $150. That's pretty fair until it has direct competitors.

You're a rude jackass.

The only way to determine a card's performance is to benchmark it.

/thread (and if you had any idea of what you were talking about, you'd be aware that plenty of cards haven't performed to their price tag over the years).

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Pugnate

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: Pugnate

I guess in the end you can tell how good a card is going to be from its pricing.

Hardly. How many times have cards been released where prices initially didn't correlate well with their performance?

Think of the cards that were priced cheaply yet performed as good or better than the next higher card when overclocked or BIOS flashed.

And in the other direction, look at the 8600GTS which has arguably weak performance for its price and I think there was an X1600 or something around that number last year that was very weak in actual gaming performance. And of course we could go back to older cards for more examples.

You know how to tell how good a card is? Benchmark it. Simple as that.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsdown:

The stupidity is getting really irritating.

So you are saying benchmarking is a better indicator's of a product's performance than price? No ****** genius.

Why don't you go ahead and provide me benchmarks two weeks before the card is widely available? Man with statements like that you should change your handle to "captain Obvious"

OK I guess I will have to spell it out for you like a ten year old:

When a card is still weeks from launch and you want to get a mental picture of how it will perform, and don't have benchmarks available, then sometimes its pricing is a good indicator as to how it will perform.

If the 2900XT was 25% faster than the 8800GTX it would NOT be $200 cheaper.

Is that clear enough for you, or should I use simpler language?

As for the 8600GTS it is direct x 10 part for $150. That's pretty fair until it has direct competitors.

Why does the 8800 Ultra cost $999, and according to latest reports, will be only up to 20% faster?

What about the 7800GTX 512, which was $700, and barely outperformed that X1800s?

 

[apoppin]

more name-calling over speculations

:roll:

i found Video

 

[JPB]

I have a question, do any of you think the 2900XL will be able to compete with the 8800GTS 640 that I have now ? If not...and the 8900GTS is released in time ( By May 28th ) ill just step up to it.

Although something tells me the XL will not be meant to compete with the GTS. Maybe ill just go with the 8900 GTS anyway.

 

[apoppin]

any one that *knows* cannot tell you

*everything* else - currently - is *speculation*

take your best shot when you 'have' to or wait for the reviews

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Pugnate

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: Pugnate

I guess in the end you can tell how good a card is going to be from its pricing.

Hardly. How many times have cards been released where prices initially didn't correlate well with their performance?

Think of the cards that were priced cheaply yet performed as good or better than the next higher card when overclocked or BIOS flashed.

And in the other direction, look at the 8600GTS which has arguably weak performance for its price and I think there was an X1600 or something around that number last year that was very weak in actual gaming performance. And of course we could go back to older cards for more examples.

You know how to tell how good a card is? Benchmark it. Simple as that.

:thumbsup:

:thumbsdown:

The stupidity is getting really irritating.

So you are saying benchmarking is a better indicator's of a product's performance than price? No ****** genius.

Why don't you go ahead and provide me benchmarks two weeks before the card is widely available? Man with statements like that you should change your handle to "captain Obvious"

OK I guess I will have to spell it out for you like a ten year old:

When a card is still weeks from launch and you want to get a mental picture of how it will perform, and don't have benchmarks available, then sometimes its pricing is a good indicator as to how it will perform.

If the 2900XT was 25% faster than the 8800GTX it would NOT be $200 cheaper.

Is that clear enough for you, or should I use simpler language?

As for the 8600GTS it is direct x 10 part for $150. That's pretty fair until it has direct competitors.

You're a rude jackass.

The only way to determine a card's performance is to benchmark it.

/thread (and if you had any idea of what you were talking about, you'd be aware that plenty of cards haven't performed to their price tag over the years).

Again, no ******, genius.

ALL I am saying is that if you don't have the cards available for benchmarking, then sometimes pricing can give you a fair indication.

I am not saying it is a perfect equation, that 20% performance increase equates a 20% price increase.

Don't be thick headed, and at least try to understand what I am saying.

I am tired of this obvious ******.

Things like,"Oh benchmarking is better tool for performance than price" is so obvious, that it makes you look like the "jackass".

(and if you had any idea of what you were talking about, you'd be aware that plenty of cards haven't performed to their price tag over the years)

Oh

My

God

No ****** buddy. I am just saying that price is a fair indicator at this stage how well a product will perform against its competitor.

If the 2900XT is priced at $400 then it is fair to assume that its performance isn't as good as we expected.

That's all.

Do you understand what speculation means? Do you understand what an educated guess is?

I am tired of this B.S. where everyone says... OH NOOEES TEH BENCHMARKS are a better indicator.

Benchmarks aren't an indicator, THEY ARE THE BLOODY RESULT!

Benchmarks are what you are waiting for! And until I get them, I am speculating.

Why does the 8800 Ultra cost $999, and according to latest reports, will be only up to 20% faster?

What about the 7800GTX 512, which was $700, and barely outperformed that X1800s?

What the hell are you talking about? The 7800GTX 512 was not $700, and it outperformed its predecessor the 7800GTX.

As for your comment on a 20% increase for $999... I am not saying it is some perfect absolute formula. Is that so hard to understand?

Some of you need to put on a helmet before you hurt yourselves.

 

[Pugnate]

Originally posted by: apoppin
any one that *knows* cannot tell you

*everything* else - currently - is *speculation*

take your best shot when you 'have' to or wait for the reviews

Exactly

All this is speculation! I don't have benchmarks, and that's why I am speculating. In the end we all want benchmarks to see how well a card will peform, but until then some of us enjoy speculating.

If anyone doesn't like it then don't visit a thread about speculation until benchmarks are available.