If this isn't good enough for Doom3, I don't know what is...

[klah]

Originally posted by: NokiaDude
You need registered RAM for an FX processor.

Only for the s940 version. The s939 FX does not have this requirement.

 

[yee]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
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That's not bad memory but the Mushkin memory I listed is better. Tighter timings and can overclock like a mofo with little if any voltage increase.

get some OCZ EB 3700 platinum . tight timings at 250mhz at 2.9v Mushkin special is just BH6 which requires 3.2+ volts to have it shine.

 

[Rectalfier]

Typically, if you have the latest and greatest harware, it will not run brand new intensive games liquid smooth. It will run the game quite well at the highest settings, but not liquid smooth (60fps minimum FPS). If your friend wants to play a certain game, I would suggest him to play the game first, and if it's fun enough, go out and buy the hardware the runs it the best.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: cobalt

Originally posted by: jpeyton
JackB, that rig is garbage. People on this forum sure like paying out-the-a$$ for components. Why not just go to your local Best Buy and pay retail; it's about as bad. Hopefully you're friend is the type that enjoys throwing his money away. My suggestion:

1) No Silverstone case is worth $300. Not even close. Get a CoolerMaster WaveMaster or equivalent for around $150. Savings: $150

2) OCZ EL Platinum. Savings: $109

3) PNY 6800GT. Savings: $159.33

4) AMD Athlon 64 3800+ S939. Savings: $160

TOTAL SAVINGS: $578.33

NEW TOTAL: $1881.16

Put my config next to your config and bench it; the difference in any benchmark will be within the margin of error.

I have never seen a computer at Best Buy that could handle anything hardly above CS: CZ with their integrated graphics or FX 5200 video cards...

Like this one?. My local Best Buy also has an in-store configurator for AlienWare computers. Not that I'd buy anything at retail, but if you were so inclined.

I stand corrected, somewhat. In all the Best Buy's I've been too, their computers were trash.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

JackB, that rig is garbage.

Riiiight.

1) No Silverstone case is worth $300. Not even close. Get a CoolerMaster WaveMaster or equivalent for around $150. Savings: $150

The CoolerMaster WaveMaster case is my second favorite case. The Silverstone is my TOP choice. I'm VERY picky about looks, and the Silverstone looks the best out of ANY case I've seen. AWESOME case! It's all about style dude.

2) OCZ EL Platinum. Savings: $109

That's not bad memory but the Mushkin memory I listed is better. Tighter timings and can overclock like a mofo with little if any voltage increase.

3) PNY 6800GT. Savings: $159.33

Good suggestion. I just got most of the components at Newegg and $499 was their price for the only 6800 GT I saw on their site. I'll go with the PNY, thanks.

4) AMD Athlon 64 3800+ S939. Savings: $160

The FX53 is the better performer (not by much, but still better). It's also more flexible when it comes to overclocking since it's multiplier unlocked. $160 is not that huge of a difference. If it was like $300 more, I'd definitely go with the 3800+.

Any other questions, comments?


* Any yes, those are US prices. I actually got the prices from Newegg (Except for the case. Newegg didn't carry it).

If you were building this for yourself then maybe you could justify everything because YOU want it. But the case... when it's for a friend, you don't want to totally drain his budget, no matter how high it is. Then you have to factor in a new monitor, keyboard and mouse, and OS (you didn't list any of those).

 

[BullsOnParade]

What do you think about the new lian li's the v1000 series?

 

[Krk3561]

I think paying $300 for a case is ridiculous. I agree with jpeyton, get a wavemaster.

And I dont think its advisable to overclock a rig you're building for a friend, and since your the one thats building the rig, i doubt your friend knows how to overclock or how to do it properly. All sorts of problems can result and I dont think you want to be bothered all the time with issues.

 

[Jojo7]

Dude. You're overlooking one major component of the new computer -- the floppy drive.

Doom 3 is planning on shipping on 3,478 floppy disks. If you don't have a floppy drive, you're gonna be in trouble.

THE mother of all games!!!11

 

[JackBurton]

If you were building this for yourself then maybe you could justify everything because YOU want it. But the case... when it's for a friend, you don't want to totally drain his budget, no matter how high it is. Then you have to factor in a new monitor, keyboard and mouse, and OS (you didn't list any of those).

I'm building a VERY high end rig for him. Not a budget, not a best bang-for-the-buck rig. Performance is the number one concern here. The case is set, there is no changing that. Like I said, the case is THE best looking case around (that I've seen). Yes, it's more expensive than the WaveMaster, but we're talking about style here and obviously that is subjective. On top of that, any Joe Blow can walk into a Fry's and pick up a WaveMaster. Not so with the Silverstone case. It's something very few people have and it stands out.

As far as his budget, he has no problem with it. I'm getting him the BEST components, bar none. He already has a monitor, keyboard and mouse, and the OS will be transferred from his old machine to the new one. So the list I provided above is all I'm doing.

For any of you guys that aren't familiar with the case I looking at getting, here you go.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Jojo7
Dude. You're overlooking one major component of the new computer -- the floppy drive.

Doom 3 is planning on shipping on 3,478 floppy disks. If you don't have a floppy drive, you're gonna be in trouble.

THE mother of all games!!!11

Hehe, that's true. That must have slipped my mind.

Nice photoshop job by the way.


Jojo7, how's your FX rig? That is pretty much what I'm setting up my friend with.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Krk3561
I think paying $300 for a case is ridiculous. I agree with jpeyton, get a wavemaster.

And I dont think its advisable to overclock a rig you're building for a friend, and since your the one thats building the rig, i doubt your friend knows how to overclock or how to do it properly. All sorts of problems can result and I dont think you want to be bothered all the time with issues.

Dude, this is the third rig I'll be building for him. I do let him know I'll be overclocking it for him before I set him up. I'll most likely just configure it by using default speeds, but I'll tweak it out for best performance. If he needs a little more power in the future, I can give him a little more free power by modestly overclocking it.

 

[Regs]

If you plan on running a game server those specs are nice. If not, it's a giant waste. 300 for a case? Are you planning to keep those(that) whole one hard drive(s) cool? Planning to run a web server as well on a T3 on a OC network line with that CPU?


http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030512/geforce_fx_5900-12.html

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

If you were building this for yourself then maybe you could justify everything because YOU want it. But the case... when it's for a friend, you don't want to totally drain his budget, no matter how high it is. Then you have to factor in a new monitor, keyboard and mouse, and OS (you didn't list any of those).

I'm building a VERY high end rig for him. Not a budget, not a best bang-for-the-buck rig. Performance is the number one concern here. The case is set, there is no changing that. Like I said, the case is THE best looking case around (that I've seen). Yes, it's more expensive than the WaveMaster, but we're talking about style here and obviously that is subjective. On top of that, any Joe Blow can walk into a Fry's and pick up a WaveMaster. Not so with the Silverstone case. It's something very few people have and it stands out.

As far as his budget, he has no problem with it. I'm getting him the BEST components, bar none. He already has a monitor, keyboard and mouse, and the OS will be transferred from his old machine to the new one. So the list I provided above is all I'm doing.

For any of you guys that aren't familiar with the case I looking at getting, here you go.

Well I guess you're friend is an idiot then. He must be the type of guy who likes to lease cars.

Again, if you asked him point blank "Hey, you can save about $600 and still get 99% of the performance by getting better priced components instead", would he say no?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: JackBurton

If you were building this for yourself then maybe you could justify everything because YOU want it. But the case... when it's for a friend, you don't want to totally drain his budget, no matter how high it is. Then you have to factor in a new monitor, keyboard and mouse, and OS (you didn't list any of those).

I'm building a VERY high end rig for him. Not a budget, not a best bang-for-the-buck rig. Performance is the number one concern here. The case is set, there is no changing that. Like I said, the case is THE best looking case around (that I've seen). Yes, it's more expensive than the WaveMaster, but we're talking about style here and obviously that is subjective. On top of that, any Joe Blow can walk into a Fry's and pick up a WaveMaster. Not so with the Silverstone case. It's something very few people have and it stands out.

As far as his budget, he has no problem with it. I'm getting him the BEST components, bar none. He already has a monitor, keyboard and mouse, and the OS will be transferred from his old machine to the new one. So the list I provided above is all I'm doing.

For any of you guys that aren't familiar with the case I looking at getting, here you go.

Well I guess you're friend is an idiot then. He must be the type of guy who likes to lease cars.

Again, if you asked him point blank "Hey, you can save about $600 and still get 99% of the performance by getting better priced components instead", would he say no?

Sorry dude, the only idiot here is you because you obviously need a lesson in math class and style. I'll take a look at your own figures. I went with your suggestion with the video card so that is removed from the price difference between your rig and mine. As far as the case, that is not a performance issue, that is a style issue which very few people at the Ananadtech forums are familiar with, so that is taken out of the performance equation. The only thing we have left regarding performance is the CPU and memory which is only a difference of ~$270. That's a little different than the $600 figure you came up with. Hey, maybe I can set him up with a card board box for the case and that would save him $300 right there. Hmmm...

And, no my friend is not the type who leases cars...he either buys them out right or finances it for a year.

 

[Regs]

300 dollar case for style? I guess I could agree with that. Some people do have their fetishes. Just as long as the buyer took a well rounded view of every case available.

 

[nick1985]

i can spend half that and STILL get a rig that plays Doom3 within 10 FPS as that rig.

that is such a colossal waste of money

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Regs
If you plan on running a game server those specs are nice. If not, it's a giant waste. 300 for a case? Are you planning to keep those(that) whole one hard drive(s) cool? Planning to run a web server as well on a T3 on a OC network line with that CPU?


http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030512/geforce_fx_5900-12.html

Hey genius, I'm adding one hard drive and he has 2 other hard drives I'm planning on installing in the new rig. And I really like it how people come chiming in and saying how much of a waste the case is. These are usually the people who have some weak ass looking case, and even if they have a decent case (usually a black or aluminum case) they install beige optical drives in them. If you want to recommend a better case, I'm all for it. But don't give me this "waste of money" crap.

And what is up with the game server comment? You think having a 6800 GT is a good idea for a game server. WTF? You think it's a good idea to play a game on the same machine you are hosting it on? Because that is what I'm getting, when you say a 6800 GT is a good component to have on a game server. Do you install 6800 GTs on "web servers" too? That sounds like a good move there buddy.:roll:

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: nick1985
i can spend half that and STILL get a rig that plays Doom3 within 10 FPS as that rig.

that is such a colossal waste of money

Yes, I understand nick, you are very smart.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: nick1985
i can spend half that and STILL get a rig that plays Doom3 within 10 FPS as that rig.

that is such a colossal waste of money

Yes, I understand nick, you are very smart.

thanks.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: nick1985
i can spend half that and STILL get a rig that plays Doom3 within 10 FPS as that rig.

that is such a colossal waste of money

Yes, I understand nick, you are very smart.

thanks.

No problem.

 

[trexpesto]

Nice friend. Don't forget keyboard, mouse and especially monitor. Those looks matter much more because they are right in front of you.
I like windowed cases, but I think the Lian-li's look better as far as plain "classy" looking ones, some pre-silentized for less. I think smaller boxes look better too. The high prices of great monitors could easily suck up anything you feel like saving on the rest of the components.
6800 Ultra for sure, since sounds like it will all be running stock speed. People shouldn't razz you too bad - I think they, er we, are just jealous.

 

[trexpesto]

Plus OS, call it $150 for xp pro. All that stuff adds up.

 

[Gamingphreek]

If hes only playing Doom III and people are recommending ATI cards there is some major bias right here. Unless of course everyone forgot that Doom III is OpenGL.

Also the release date is the 3rd it says so on the official website.

-Kevin

 

[Regs]

lol... Im glad you took my comment serioues. You're on another track than I am.

 

[klah]

That is a very nice case. Please ignore the comments here and purchase it.