It sounds much like you're simply saying "there are no blacks or whites, only grays," and blurring the lines between "moral" and "immoral." Well all know what Ayn Rand said about that.
When a man declares: "There are no blacks and whites" he is making a psychological confession, and what he means is: "I am unwilling to be wholly good?and please don't regard me as wholly evil!" --Ayn Rand
Because one country makes it legal, that doesn't make it right. In many countries it's illegal to be a certain religion or have a certain opinion. Does that make that viewpoint acceptable.
I think you could fully classify having sex with someone that young as wrong and immoral based on scientific and psychological evidence alone.
Your post was the biggest knee jerk post on this board. Another person with no morality trying to blur the lines of morality and negate all evil in the world as only relative.
what year are we talking about here? it's after michael jackson released his first 3 albums right?
Depends. If 20yo having sex with a 17yo counts as molestation, then I won't press the button. If not, I'll press it.
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I think you are completely deluded. Not that i couldnt be as well, but seriously how is an argument that other parts of the world find this acceptable in anyway a justification? Thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard. So is the homosexual argument. That is a consensual relationship between two adults. All you need to do is take a look at the people who have been molested and the consequences it has in their lives. It is something that follows them througout their entire lives, a dark shadow over every relationship they ever have. How could that ever be justifiable? Explain this too me mister bigger picture.
What he's trying to say, "what if the kid likes it and it's consentual?" Which is the same argument actual the pedophile groups use. Maybe loic2003 is a member of one.
Jeff7
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Good and bad are tough things to define - they are subjective, just as is the word "perfect." Is someone perfect? I don't know, to you they might be, but not to someone else. So if someone is being wholly good, well, to that person, they may in fact be perfectly good, but the rest of the country still thinks poorly of pedophilia.
Knee jerk? Mhmm.
Anyway, welcome to the world of grays. It might not be as clear-cut as your 1-bit B&W world, but 8-bit grayscale offers a much clearer picture of what's really going on.
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clearly rape and abuse of children is psychologically scarring and a heinous action, which is obviously wrong. A 9 year old could never be sexually nor mentally mature. This I do not dispute. What about a 15 year old and a 14 year old, however? Is this abuse and would the 15YO be turned to flame or whatever? This would be compeltely legal in other parts of the world, and to people there it'd be fine. In some tribes in africa, females start to procreate as soon as they are sexualy mature: they see it as perfectly natural and do not suffer from pschological issues after, whereas a youngster of a similar age in western society would not be prepared for it simply due to cultural differences.
Bear in mind that I do not condone molestation, but I feel that people see those who are sexualy attracted to children as evil demons or whatever, even describing acts of torture they would like to perform on them. I, however, see them as regular people who have a slight difference mentally, just like a left handed person or homosexual. What about someone who is attracted to kids, but never acts upon it? Is he truly evil and should we put him through electric shock treatment to 'cure' them like the homosexuals of yesteryear?
What if you awoke one day and everything had flipped over: homosexuality was the norm and to be attracted to women was seen in the same light as paedophilia as sick and wrong, and no woman would ever consent to having sex with you? Would you go ahead and live a 'normal' life, engaging in regular homosexual acts, just like everyone else? Would you eventually supress your sick attraction to women, despite it feeling natural to do so for you?
Personally, I'd probably press the button, but I wanted to put it out there that it isn't black and white, despite what some may think. It's tough, but I demand that those with a sexual preference to children do indeed supress their desires and live their lives without acting upon it.
clearly rape and abuse of children is psychologically scarring and a heinous action, which is obviously wrong. A 9 year old could never be sexually nor mentally mature. This I do not dispute. What about a 15 year old and a 14 year old, however? Is this abuse and would the 15YO be turned to flame or whatever? This would be compeltely legal in other parts of the world, and to people there it'd be fine. In some tribes in africa, females start to procreate as soon as they are sexualy mature: they see it as perfectly natural and do not suffer from pschological issues after, whereas a youngster of a similar age in western society would not be prepared for it simply due to cultural differences.
Bear in mind that I do not condone molestation, but I feel that people see those who are sexualy attracted to children as evil demons or whatever, even describing acts of torture they would like to perform on them. I, however, see them as regular people who have a slight difference mentally, just like a left handed person or homosexual. What about someone who is attracted to kids, but never acts upon it? Is he truly evil and should we put him through electric shock treatment to 'cure' them like the homosexuals of yesteryear?
What if you awoke one day and everything had flipped over: homosexuality was the norm and to be attracted to women was seen in the same light as paedophilia as sick and wrong, and no woman would ever consent to having sex with you? Would you go ahead and live a 'normal' life, engaging in regular homosexual acts, just like everyone else? Would you eventually supress your sick attraction to women, despite it feeling natural to do so for you?
Personally, I'd probably press the button, but I wanted to put it out there that it isn't black and white, despite what some may think. It's tough, but I demand that those with a sexual preference to children do indeed supress their desires and live their lives without acting upon it.
Ok Michael Jackson.
To be honest, having an attraction is not wrong. But when that attraction exist, and the person has insufficient morals to keep their actions at bay, is when they go around molesting kids.
Given that most people in general do not have enough morals or enough will power to keep such an attraction at bay, I would say having that sort of attraction is a very serious danger.
But the question was for people who molested, not people who would "want" to molest. So unlike what you said, this is not a "tough" question to answer. Those are have molested need to fry.
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I agree with the great Gatsby. There are lots of people out there who actually are attracted to kids that would never and will never molest them. (Not me, I hate kids. Real ones anyway.) Obviously that has nothing to do with the poll, but it's something to think about. Everyone has their dark little secret.
Rock Hydra
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Same, but I would definitely be tempted to do it.
**EDIT**
BTW they say that 1 in 5 girls (I think that was the number, it shocked me too) have been molested when they were young by relatives and people they know.
So invariably, if you pressed that button, you would have many fatherless households. Sad, but true.
Nothing gives you the right to judge someone and kill them. (ie the legal process is necessary)
Define molestation: what range of ages:
intercourse between 10 and 17?
intercourse between 15 and 20
Define molestation: what range of ages:
intercourse between 10 and 17?
intercourse between 15 and 20
That would be an amazing button.
The cure though is openness, honesty (both from them and others), remorse, and grace (loving them in spite of the problems <which is definitely harder to do in cases such as these> ). This is the case with most all personal problems. This doesn't happen overnight though and requires a lot of work by people, but I have seen people change in amazing ways just by one act of grace.
Seriously, people should try it sometime.
No, it's not my job to play God.
Interestingly, there's an anime called Death Note which gives this power to a high school student (a book where anyone who's name you write in the book dies within 40 seconds). It's a great anime, and one people should watch as you try to decide if the student's crusade to bring righteous justice to the world is good or evil.
why even ask this question? i'd like to know who voted no for this. if an adult knowingly molested a child, he deserves to die without a doubt.
This would incinerate Ron Jeremy, and anyone else who f****d Traci Lord when she started in the porn industry, no?
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