If there are no unlocked SKL under quad-core, could G3258 be better still?

[VirtualLarry]

Just musing. The G3258 (with the right board - important), can hit 4.3-4.4Ghz. Which is a phenomenal value in terms of bang-for-buck, for desktop computing, emulation, web browsing, and other things.

Will there be any SKL parts with similar value? Because if there isn't, I foresee an increasing demand for the G3258 CPUs (plus, they take existing DDR3 RAM!), while they are still made.

I know waltchan suggested buying some (if you can get them under MSRP), and stockpiling them.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Wait till Q4 and see.

There will be a new T3 segment i3 as well.

 

[Essence_of_War]

I know waltchan suggested buying some (if you can get them under MSRP), and stockpiling them.

"stockpiling"? Really? I have trouble believing that it makes financial sense to throw a working piece of tech into a closet and not use it in the hopes that something better WON'T come along and at such a time one could recoup one's investment and the spread and still have decent ROI.

 

[Yuriman]

Define "better".

Undoubtedly, Skylake will have parts that offer nearly the same CPU performance (at lower clocks) for around the same price, with better connectivity (M.2, USB, etc.), a better IGP, and lower power consumption (and therefore noise, too).

If I were building a basic web browsing computer for my father, which do you think I'd pick? How about for an HTPC?

 

[waltchan]

I know waltchan suggested buying some (if you can get them under MSRP), and stockpiling them.

This week only until Saturday, Fry's Electronics is offering the Pentium G3258 for only $39 with promo code. Okay, I guess I'm tired of buying this already, but man, they do sell out quick.

 

[waltchan]

"stockpiling"? Really? I have trouble believing that it makes financial sense to throw a working piece of tech into a closet and not use it in the hopes that something better WON'T come along and at such a time one could recoup one's investment and the spread and still have decent ROI.

The next five years will show Pentium G3258 has the highest resale value and will hold 90% of its value you paid at Fry's Electronics. Five years later, Pentium G3258 will be priced at $35 used, i3-4130 at $27, and Celeron G1820 at $15. You'll see...

 

[Yuriman]

The next five years will show Pentium G3258 has the highest resale value and will hold 90% of its resale value. Five years later, it will be priced at $35 used, and Celeron G1820 at $15. You'll see...

For what, so everyone with i3's and quad cores can upgrade? Or, for those with older, cheaper, or locked OEM boards that shipped with Celerons can have access to overclocking?

I imagine anyone that has access to a board that can overclock probably already has one, or a faster chip.

 

[waltchan]

For what, so everyone with i3's and quad cores can upgrade? Or, for those with older, cheaper, or locked OEM boards that shipped with Celerons can have access to overclocking?

I imagine anyone that has access to a board that can overclock probably already has one, or a faster chip.

The problem with Core i3 and better is you always run into a bigger risk in losing a lot of money on depreciation a few years later. Core i7 will retain at least 55% of selling value 5 years later, but the i5 and i3 will do a little worse. The worst of the worst is given to i3-4130. Too many OEM PC makers are still using this old model today, it's the lowest-end i3 model, people are already tired of this model, it's still priced at $99.99 today, but you can only sell this for $27 estimated 5 years later (75% value lost).

Pentium G3258 will be priced more than Core i3-4130 as used 5 years later.

 

[richierich1212]

I bought 3 G3258s + mobos combo deals last summer when they were just released and another by itself for $40 @ Frys last Sunday. I want to build a steambox for my kids and we won't be playing the most demanding games anyways so they are a nice bang for the buck CPU.

 

[iiiankiii]

The next five years will show Pentium G3258 has the highest resale value and will hold 90% of its value you paid at Fry's Electronics. Five years later, Pentium G3258 will be priced at $35 used, i3-4130 at $27, and Celeron G1820 at $15. You'll see...

5 years is a long time in technology. If all you do is browse the web, check email, do some photo editing, and play some minecraft, you can get away with less. The lowest dual core cpu from intel will do those things just fine.

Plus, you're looking at this wrong. It's not about how well it retains value. It's about well will the CPU serves you. Who cares if it maintain it's value for the next 100 years if it doesn't do what you want it to do. Besides, spending $300 on a CPU that serves you well for the next 5 years is money well worth it. Even if it sells for $50 5 years later, that's money well spent. It's a matter of perspective.

 

[mxnerd]

CPU Boss showed that G3258 performed better than i5 3470.

I have both systems, I don't play games, and I feel the same as CPU Boss.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G3258-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3470

G3258 is an incredible value for many people.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

The problem with Core i3 and better is you always run into a bigger risk in losing a lot of money on depreciation a few years later. Core i7 will retain at least 55% of selling value 5 years later, but the i5 and i3 will do a little worse. The worst of the worst is given to i3-4130. Too many OEM PC makers are still using this old model today, it's the lowest-end i3 model, people are already tired of this model, it's still priced at $99.99 today, but you can only sell this for $27 estimated 5 years later (75% value lost).

Pentium G3258 will be priced more than Core i3-4130 as used 5 years later.

A highly overclocked G3258 loses to a stock i3-4130 in most gaming benchmarks. It's a hobbyist CPU, not something people buy for performance.

Good luck selling your stockpile.

 

[iiiankiii]

CPU Boss showed that G3258 performed better than i5 3470.

I have both systems, I don't play games, and I feel the same as CPU Boss.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G3258-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3470

G3258 is an incredible value for many people.

Are you talking about stock settings? If so, there's no way a G3258 will perform better than a i5 3470. NO WAY. The i5 3470 has a based speed of 3.2 ghz and BOOST to 3.6 ghz. The G3258 is at 3.2ghz and has no boost speed. Unless the system with the G3258 runs on SSD and the i5-3470 runs on a regular HDD, I'm not sure how you can say the i5-3470 is slower. On top of that, you're talking dual core vs quad core. Does not compute.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Are you talking about stock settings? If so, there's no way a G3258 will perform better than a i5 3470. NO WAY. The i5 3470 has a based speed of 3.2 ghz and BOOST to 3.6 ghz. The G3258 is at 3.2ghz and has no boost speed. Unless the system with the G3258 runs on SSD and the i5-3470 runs on a regular HDD, I'm not sure how you can say the i5-3470 is slower. On top of that, you're talking dual core vs quad core. Does not compute.

CPUBoss is a joke marketing site that's built by robots to mine bad information from wherever they can find it, get top ranked google results, and sell adspace.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I am starting to feel sad for waltchan.

 

[mxnerd]

Are you talking about stock settings? If so, there's no way a G3258 will perform better than a i5 3470. NO WAY. The i5 3470 has a based speed of 3.2 ghz and BOOST to 3.6 ghz. The G3258 is at 3.2ghz and has no boost speed. Unless the system with the G3258 runs on SSD and the i5-3470 runs on a regular HDD, I'm not sure how you can say the i5-3470 is slower. On top of that, you're talking dual core vs quad core. Does not compute.

You are right. G3258 is on SSD and stock settings, and i5-3470 is on HDD.

I didn't compare them on the same basis. My bad.

 

[Essence_of_War]

The next five years will show Pentium G3258 has the highest resale value and will hold 90% of its value you paid at Fry's Electronics. Five years later, Pentium G3258 will be priced at $35 used, i3-4130 at $27, and Celeron G1820 at $15. You'll see...

That is actually far worse than I suggested. For them to be worth stockpiling, you need them to appreciate in value above whatever retail price, above whatever buy/sell spread there is, and then anything beyond that is profit and depending on the value of the "beyond that" we can then assess if it is a worthwhile investment.

You're just claiming that it will depreciate the least. If you're not claiming it will appreciate, why would anyone consider stockpiling it?

 

[escrow4]

The next five years will show Pentium G3258 has the highest resale value and will hold 90% of its value you paid at Fry's Electronics. Five years later, Pentium G3258 will be priced at $35 used, i3-4130 at $27, and Celeron G1820 at $15. You'll see...

In 5yrs I'll probably buy a new (quad core to boot likely) Celeron for $50 that will be as fast as a 4460 is now. Buying tech parts in bulk is senseless. Buy what you need now maybe something in reserve. Tech has no resale value unless its Apple.

For a basic machine a standard Celeron and H81 will do it. Those sorts of users won't be scanning through 43 H81 boards for one with decent VRMs to clock up a G3258 then rubbing their hands and thinking how clever they are and how much they will be able to resell said G3258 in 5yrs.

 

[StrangerGuy]

In 5yrs I'll probably buy a new (quad core to boot likely) Celeron for $50 that will be as fast as a 4460 is now. Buying tech parts in bulk is senseless. Buy what you need now maybe something in reserve. Tech has no resale value unless its Apple.

For a basic machine a standard Celeron and H81 will do it. Those sorts of users won't be scanning through 43 H81 boards for one with decent VRMs to clock up a G3258 then rubbing their hands and thinking how clever they are and how much they will be able to resell said G3258 in 5yrs.

I swear the overclocking crowd is getting dumber every passing day. Forget things like little headroom, already high stock clocks, overall cost/benefit and in the case of the G3258 with only 2 cores which won't even start some games, as long as it has an unlocked multiplier it is automatically heralded as the greatest thing ever.

 

[waltchan]

I am starting to feel sad for waltchan.

I only mention the estimated price numbers on what the used Haswells worth 5 years later as general information, and I don't assume anyone here takes my post seriously. Most of the enthusiasts users here are educated and little above middle-class anyway, so they could care less on how much they like to spend freely and enjoy their gaming rigs.

But I still stand behind on the Pentium G3258 holding its highest resale value. Purchase price is incredibly small or minimal for less than $40 that you don't need to worry how much it worth 5 years later. Now, compare to i7-4790K, if you paid $350 for it, you would easily lose $200 a few years later. Get the picture now...

 

[waltchan]

"stockpiling"? Really? I have trouble believing that it makes financial sense to throw a working piece of tech into a closet and not use it in the hopes that something better WON'T come along and at such a time one could recoup one's investment and the spread and still have decent ROI.

There's one group I found where a new piece of tech is INFERIOR and NOT BETTER to the one it replaces yearly since 2012. See this pattern below (all desktop form factor for budget market):

Celeron D 365 (2007) < Celeron 450 (2009) < Celeron G440 (2011) < Celeron G470 (2012) > Celeron J1800 (2014) > Celeron N2840 (2015) > Celeron N3050 (2016)

So, yes, I do hide three new-in-boxes working Celeron G470 in my closet I paid only $20 each clearance price (used only one so far, so two left), because I can't find anything better and faster at this moment.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I do agree with waltchan, on one theoretical possibility - that Intel will completely drop all of their "big core" Pentiums and Celerons, and replace them all with Braswell (or an Atom successor).

If that does happen, I could easily see the G3258 appreciating in value, at least for a couple of years.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Anyways, the point of this thread was not stockpiling, or whether the G3258 would appreciate over its MSRP, but rather, would the absence of a SKL unlocked Pentium, cause the G3258 Haswell Pentium to be more desirable than a locked SKL Pentium.

 

[VirtualLarry]

So, yes, I do hide three new-in-boxes working Celeron G470 in my closet I paid only $20 each clearance price (used only one so far, so two left), because I can't find anything better and faster at this moment.

Aren't the G470 CPUs single-core? And you can't find anything better and faster? If the G1820 Haswell has twice the cores, and is faster, for a little over twice the price, wouldn't that make it a better value?

Do you really have customers where $20 extra would make or break a $200-300 build? For twice the performance?

 

[iiiankiii]

There's one group I found where a new piece of tech is INFERIOR and NOT BETTER to the one it replaces yearly since 2012. See this pattern below (all desktop form factor for budget market):

Celeron D 365 (2007) < Celeron 450 (2009) < Celeron G470 (2012) > Celeron J1800 (2014) > Celeron N2840 (2015) > Celeron N3050 (2016)

So, yes, I do hide three new-in-boxes working Celeron G470 in my closet I paid only $20 each clearance price (used only one so far, so two left), because I can't find anything better and faster at this moment.

You're expecting a single core Celeron G470 to appreciate in value? That's nuts, man. Grabbing it at $20 new is ok IF it fits your needs. You can probably sale it for $30 NIB. Congrats. But is that $10 worth that time and effort? Oh, by the way, you can grab a G530/540/550/620/630 for ~$20-30 off of eBay. Real dual core and faster and cheaper.....