If the terminator killed Sarah Connor... what would it do after?

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rudder

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According to the theory of time travel, the Terminator couldn't ever have actually killed Sarah Connor. If she was dead, he would have no reason to go back into time to kill her, thus eliminating the entire premise.

Please watch a series of films entitled "Back to the Future." The film covers your faulty premise and shows that a timeline can be skewed and will exist from that changed point forward.
 

surfsatwerk

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According to the theory of time travel, the Terminator couldn't ever have actually killed Sarah Connor. If she was dead, he would have no reason to go back into time to kill her, thus eliminating the entire premise.

Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here.
 

smackababy

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Please watch a series of films entitled "Back to the Future." The film covers your faulty premise and shows that a timeline can be skewed and will exist from that changed point forward.

It depends what version of time travel we are subscribing to. As with Back to the Future, even though Marty botched his parents first meeting, it still inevitably happened. If he had somehow stopped his parents from meeting, he would cease to exist, thus how could he stop his parents? A bootstrap paradox?
 

Blintok

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But but John Connor only existed because he sent Kyle back to protect his mother. Kyle was John's father. The future events happened only because of past events that came about because of time travel. In T2 they explain it all came about because they found parts of the first terminator. But how did the first terminator exist to become parts .. Future events are happening from past evens that could not happen without the future events first..

Ow. i have a headache.
 

SagaLore

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According to the theory of time travel

Uh, there is no single theory of time travel. :colbert:

One theory around time travel is that going into the past or future is allowed, but to prevent paradoxes it would always be closed looped. The future could affect the past only if the past resulted in the same future.

Another theory is that paradoxes are prevented by creating multiverses. Every change to the past just forks off the timelines.

Another theory is that travel to the past could only occur at a far enough distance from the entry point that the speed of light of this "new" information would not reach that same point until immediately after the entry from the future into the past.
 

Aikouka

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According to the theory of time travel, the Terminator couldn't ever have actually killed Sarah Connor. If she was dead, he would have no reason to go back into time to kill her, thus eliminating the entire premise.

Given that there's no such thing as time travel (yet! :p), it all depends on whose rules we're using. You could argue that by killing Sarah Connor, the Terminator stopped John Connor from being born. So, instead of John Connor putting up an effective resistance against SkyNet, SkyNet was able to subjugate the humans. Therefore, SkyNet would have no reason to send a machine back to the past to kill anyone (unless...). So, the Terminator would simply disappear.
 

darkxshade

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According to the theory of time travel, the Terminator couldn't ever have actually killed Sarah Connor. If she was dead, he would have no reason to go back into time to kill her, thus eliminating the entire premise.

They should make THAT movie when they reboot it. 2 hours and at the end, the big twist is she dies and the humans still win.
 

02ranger

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But but John Connor only existed because he sent Kyle back to protect his mother. Kyle was John's father. The future events happened only because of past events that came about because of time travel. In T2 they explain it all came about because they found parts of the first terminator. But how did the first terminator exist to become parts .. Future events are happening from past evens that could not happen without the future events first..

Ow. i have a headache.

My favorite movie growing up was T2, but everytime I tried to "explain" the timeline in those movies, I ended up more confused than I was to start with. That had to be the series' greatest weakness, that the time travel doesn't hold up to scrutiny. But the first two were damn fun to watch, so its ok. lol

Why don't they send multiple terminators?

This always bugged me. By the time the third movie came out, you've got Skynet sending 3 separate terminator models to three separate points in time, all sent from the same time and place in the future, so why not just send all 3 to the 80s and kill Sarah Connor? It wasn't quite so bad when you just had two movies to justify, because you could say the T1000 was a contingency plan and not really expected to succeed since it was a prototype, but 3 totally different attempts is just silly.
 

angminas

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stand up comedy.

i find that a human's opinion of me is very much influenced by whether i have an uzi 9 millimeter.

The seven words i cannot say on television are "i am a robot from the future". Because then people would know that i am a robot from the future.

What did one ocean say to the other ocean? Oceans do not talk.
 

marvdmartian

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If he has ANY sense, he goes and has a 3-way with the hot female terminators, of course! :biggrin:

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Fire&Blood

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It would self destruct to avoid it's existence altering the timeline favorably for humans after getting a desired outcome.

However, there are some holes to poke in the presented chain of events. A cause/effect loop is created with the 1st attempt on John/Sarah since the arm and chip from the 1st one sent back are used to fortify Skynet's presence.
 

Fox5

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My favorite movie growing up was T2, but everytime I tried to "explain" the timeline in those movies, I ended up more confused than I was to start with. That had to be the series' greatest weakness, that the time travel doesn't hold up to scrutiny. But the first two were damn fun to watch, so its ok. lol



This always bugged me. By the time the third movie came out, you've got Skynet sending 3 separate terminator models to three separate points in time, all sent from the same time and place in the future, so why not just send all 3 to the 80s and kill Sarah Connor? It wasn't quite so bad when you just had two movies to justify, because you could say the T1000 was a contingency plan and not really expected to succeed since it was a prototype, but 3 totally different attempts is just silly.

Terminator the Sarah Connor Chronicles ran with this and said that Skynet just kept sending Terminators back in time throughout history, because John Connor wasn't the only thing that mattered.
Also, each time, the future did change somewhat, but Skynet embedded knowledge of the future into the surviving Terminators which went into the past, so each time Skynet got more and more powerful and closer to beating the resistance.

And while we're on the subject of a malleable timeline, well, it could just be that the whole John Connor thing became a self-fulfilling prophecy. The John Connor that existed after Kyle Reese isn't the John Connor that originally was sent back, but Sarah Connor named her kid such and trained him to be the savior, and Skynet became focused on killing John Connor. Hypothetically, Skynet could have killed hundreds of John Connors, with new ones being named and trained for the future invasion as a result of each time travel event.
 

02ranger

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Terminator the Sarah Connor Chronicles ran with this and said that Skynet just kept sending Terminators back in time throughout history, because John Connor wasn't the only thing that mattered.
Also, each time, the future did change somewhat, but Skynet embedded knowledge of the future into the surviving Terminators which went into the past, so each time Skynet got more and more powerful and closer to beating the resistance.

I forgot about that. I liked T:TSCC, but it's been so long since I watched it that I don't remember much of it.

And while we're on the subject of a malleable timeline, well, it could just be that the whole John Connor thing became a self-fulfilling prophecy. The John Connor that existed after Kyle Reese isn't the John Connor that originally was sent back, but Sarah Connor named her kid such and trained him to be the savior, and Skynet became focused on killing John Connor. Hypothetically, Skynet could have killed hundreds of John Connors, with new ones being named and trained for the future invasion as a result of each time travel event.

This is an excellent theory. I can't believe I never considered this, but it makes sense to me. It also means Skynet is screwed no matter what it does. lol
 

zinfamous

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i find that a human's opinion of me is very much influenced by whether i have an uzi 9 millimeter.

The seven words i cannot say on television are "i am a robot from the future". Because then people would know that i am a robot from the future.

What did one ocean say to the other ocean? Oceans do not talk.

:D
 

sandorski

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i find that a human's opinion of me is very much influenced by whether i have an uzi 9 millimeter.

The seven words i cannot say on television are "i am a robot from the future". Because then people would know that i am a robot from the future.

What did one ocean say to the other ocean? Oceans do not talk.

He'd kill.