jonks
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- Feb 7, 2005
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Come on tonLok, even nostradamus didn't predict Obamamania!
She's experienced, not clairvoyant. Early last year everyone also was 99% certain McCain was finished, done, over. Politics be krazy this season.I expect Obama to get the nomination, but given the strong red state support that sealed his victory, states that are in all probability going to remain red in 08, I have doubts as to the outcome of the election, especially against a Republican who is not seen as representative of the radical right. I also expect that if Obama loses, you are going to see major cries of a "racist america unwilling to elect a black man", instead of focusing on the fact that the guy won the nomination by coming in second in solid blue state primaries but won enough delegates in states that were never going to go blue in the general.
our entire election process is broken
Every state should be the same - either winner-take-all for delegates, or percentage based - personally I think percentage based is the better way to go.
I would also favor all of these stupid things being on one day - make it a holiday so everyone has no excuse not to vote. The fact that more people vote for American Idol than they do for who they want their next president to be is sad.
Every state should be the same - either winner-take-all for delegates, or percentage based - personally I think percentage based is the better way to go.
I would also favor all of these stupid things being on one day - make it a holiday so everyone has no excuse not to vote. The fact that more people vote for American Idol than they do for who they want their next president to be is sad.
theeedude
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- Feb 5, 2006
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Democrats will find out in November how much different the real world is from their primary system.
Which is unfortunate, because I was looking to some competent Democrat leadership after 8 years of a party that obviously can't govern controlling the White House.
Of course the Dems will probably nominate Obama, so that won't be happening, barring a last second epiphany by the super delegates.
Which is unfortunate, because I was looking to some competent Democrat leadership after 8 years of a party that obviously can't govern controlling the White House.
Of course the Dems will probably nominate Obama, so that won't be happening, barring a last second epiphany by the super delegates.
Obama has more votes, right? How exactly does a system make sense if he would be far behind while holding more votes.
The entire point of the primaries is to choose a candidate who can win the elections. If the primary process is different than the election process then the candidate chosen has not shown the potential to win the election.
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:thumbsup:
you guys elected Bush, maybe you need to sit in the corner for an election or two and think about what you did.
Vic
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- Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: loki8481
:thumbsup:
you guys elected Bush, maybe you need to sit in the corner for an election or two and think about what you did.
Actually my state is blue, and my county voted for Kerry in 2004 at the 3rd-highest percentage in the country (after New York and San Francisco IIRC).
Nice try though :roll:
Maybe if you actually read my post, you'd see that I was suggesting that TX, CA, and NY sit in the corner for an election of 2 and think about what they done.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: loki8481
:thumbsup:
you guys elected Bush, maybe you need to sit in the corner for an election or two and think about what you did.
Actually my state is blue, and my county voted for Kerry in 2004 at the 3rd-highest percentage in the country (after New York and San Francisco IIRC).
Nice try though :roll:
Maybe if you actually read my post, you'd see that I was suggesting that TX, CA, and NY sit in the corner for an election of 2 and think about what they done.
jesus, isn't pot legal in oregon? lighten up, it was a joke.
DrPizza
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You're assuming that if the rules were changed that both candidates would have done the exact same campaigning. It'd be like saying after a football game had a score of 14 to 15 (2 touchdowns vs. 5 field goals) "Well, if it was all or nothing - only touchdowns count, then the team with 14 points would be way ahead." Again, the team that kicked 5 field goals would have done something different under a "no field goals" rule that resulted in more touchdowns for them. Perhaps, even a larger margin of victory.
They're playing by the rules that they've been given to work within. (Well, most of the time.)
You are assuming that there is a correlation between primary results and general election results, which you also need to prove. The two elections are between two different groups of voters, in each state, so the difference in processes is irrelevant.
OK then just change the general election to be more like the primary then. Either way. I never understood why this winner take all approach was even allowed. It is not even a democratic approach. Under this system people of the minority party are not really represented. We should go to a true national majority. However, we have to accept what we have because that is what we have.
Somehow, the statement, "It has always been done that way!", just does not make sense.
Somehow, the statement, "It has always been done that way!", just does not make sense.
Fern
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That's up to the states. They can use a proportional approach for their electoral college votes if they choose.
Last year there were bills submitted in both NC and CA, IIRC, to do this.
NC is controlled by Dems, but voted Repub in recent Presidential elections. The Dem controlled legislature and governor were going to make NC "proportional" to swing more electoral college votes to any Dem candidate. But then the CA legislature threatened the same thing, but they'd be sending more EC votes to the Repubs. That threat made everybody calm down and table the bills.
Fern
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