If the School goes DHCP instead of Static for Residents

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: spidey07
yeah, but this is continous. not one time check. Although could be the same system.

All these checks are performed when the link goes up or down (booting, plugging in, etc). If worm activity is detected after the fact the port is shutdown.

Please don't tell me you force users to use one specific brand of AV program. UW does something like that, and a bunch of other lame stuff; apparantly people will pay to have DSL installed in their dorms rather than use the University's highspeed, as the restrictions are so godawful nobody wants to deal with them.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Wuffsunie
Ah, I see you got the answer in while I was my last question.

Originally posted by: isekii
Well I use a USB network adapter and a PCI network adapter.
Both have different MAC's...
so wouldn't each have a 2gb down 500mb upload limit ?

Now, to answer your question, no. As my previous post said (and fivespeed5 backed up), they'll be using traffic monitoring at the switches to ensure that the physical ports to your room in res don't go over their set traffic limit. Doesn't matter if you use different cards. You can download more from other locations (ie, a friend's room) because you're effectively using their bandwidth. While your campus' network people MAY have instituted MAC monitoring as well (ie, one known MAC allowed per physical port) I personally think that that would be excessive and only used if people had abused bandwidth heavily in the past. (ie, major use of P2P networks.)

MAC registering is a reality, for instance my school's system automatically disconnects users from the network for infractions, you cannot connect to any port on campus with any MAC registered to your name, you can go to a lab and use the computers, but you can't get around it with your computer.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: spidey07
yeah, but this is continous. not one time check. Although could be the same system.

All these checks are performed when the link goes up or down (booting, plugging in, etc). If worm activity is detected after the fact the port is shutdown.

Please don't tell me you force users to use one specific brand of AV program. UW does something like that, and a bunch of other lame stuff; apparantly people will pay to have DSL installed in their dorms rather than use the University's highspeed, as the restrictions are so godawful nobody wants to deal with them.

absolutely.

our network - means we get to tell you how you can use it.

I know it seems lame, but all these virus/worms cost WAY too much money to IT and the University.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: eigen
My school has ethernet ports littered around campus. So if you really want to keep the BT/p2p rocking just connect at different places on campus. i guess we are lucky.Though they do enforce limits in dorms (by port ) as well.

Wait till they get Packetshaper...

 

[MercenaryForHire]

YADCKTTCOTAT

Yet Another Dumb College Kids Thinking They Can Outsmart The Admins Thread

You will get owned, and it won't be pretty.

- M4H

 

[Lazy8s]

They did this where I go to school and you have to fill out a form with your MAC address, and you get a static IP after they enter everything by hand. If it's not a hand-entered MAC address then you don't get an IP. Simple as that and there's no way around it. Most universities aren't stupid...well, at least not the networking guys. Especially if it's a State University because they get all their stuff really cheap through government contracts. Expect a Blue Socket network to follow this change about a year later, then the dumb freshmen will really be screwed. It's so funny when they look like they're about to cry.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Please don't tell me you force users to use one specific brand of AV program. UW does something like that, and a bunch of other lame stuff; apparantly people will pay to have DSL installed in their dorms rather than use the University's highspeed, as the restrictions are so godawful nobody wants to deal with them.

absolutely.

our network - means we get to tell you how you can use it.

I know it seems lame, but all these virus/worms cost WAY too much money to IT and the University.

Viruses cost money, true, but as has been cited previously AV programs can cause severe problems with legitimate applications. When you start tying hands on the software that can be used you're bound to create conflicts.

Just out of curiosity, what AV program do you make people use, and how much does the company pay the University?

And what do you do about OS* and *nix users?

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
YADCKTTCOTAT

Yet Another Dumb College Kids Thinking They Can Outsmart The Admins Thread

You will get owned, and it won't be pretty.

- M4H

Off yourself

isek4H

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
YADCKTTCOTAT

Yet Another Dumb College Kids Thinking They Can Outsmart The Admins Thread

You will get owned, and it won't be pretty.

- M4H

Occasionally it is the profs that are guilty of this. It is then even less iloveme2-y.

 

[tRaptor]

My school does things likes this.

Everything is "Dynamic" however you get the same IP for the port every time. So, basically, they know the IP number, they know the room its conected in, they know who you are. They do register MACs however its is VERY easy to get around.

All you have to do is assign the IP static, either the one thats supposed to be for that port, or any unused one, and you have to manually put in a vew other things, and then it will work no matter what MAC you have. So, all that registering the MAC gets you is the ability to get the IP dynamicaly.

My school does the same thing for getting wireless access.

Why do I know all this? Well the idiots at my school dont know how to enter MACs correctly. And getting them to change their mistakes takes them pretty much all semester. There is only "one" person who can enter MACs, and we have formulated that he works about an hour a week, and at least 45min of that time he is on break. I swear, if that guy where ever to die or something, we wouldent have internet for years.

Last year it took about a month to get everyone on the network. I know casue I was one of the freaking volunteers that had to go scan every dorm computer for viruses and all that BS.


Personally, if I was in a position to make requests, it would be to let students submit their MAC and all the registration crap via a website, but NO we use a paper system that takes: Resources, Time, Money.

Hopefully it will get fixed by the time I get out of college, come back, and take over

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Please don't tell me you force users to use one specific brand of AV program. UW does something like that, and a bunch of other lame stuff; apparantly people will pay to have DSL installed in their dorms rather than use the University's highspeed, as the restrictions are so godawful nobody wants to deal with them.

absolutely.

our network - means we get to tell you how you can use it. -edit- AV is trend.

I know it seems lame, but all these virus/worms cost WAY too much money to IT and the University.

Viruses cost money, true, but as has been cited previously AV programs can cause severe problems with legitimate applications. When you start tying hands on the software that can be used you're bound to create conflicts.

Just out of curiosity, what AV program do you make people use, and how much does the company pay the University?

And what do you do about OS* and *nix users?

nothing - they are banned to a guest network and can't talk to anything.

conflict doesn't matter - cost of infection does. Not to be rude, but I could care less if you won't conform.

don't conform = can't use the 20 million/yr network.

it all comes down to money.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Please don't tell me you force users to use one specific brand of AV program. UW does something like that, and a bunch of other lame stuff; apparantly people will pay to have DSL installed in their dorms rather than use the University's highspeed, as the restrictions are so godawful nobody wants to deal with them.

absolutely.

our network - means we get to tell you how you can use it. -edit- AV is trend.

I know it seems lame, but all these virus/worms cost WAY too much money to IT and the University.

Viruses cost money, true, but as has been cited previously AV programs can cause severe problems with legitimate applications. When you start tying hands on the software that can be used you're bound to create conflicts.

Just out of curiosity, what AV program do you make people use, and how much does the company pay the University?

And what do you do about OS* and *nix users?

nothing - they are banned to a guest network and can't talk to anything.

conflict doesn't matter - cost of infection does. Not to be rude, but I could care less if you won't conform.

don't conform = can't use the 20 million/yr network.

it all comes down to money.

Gotta agree here. Also not all AV programs cause severe problems with app's. We use norton AV corporate at work and it runs just fine. Don't want to conform to the network rules? go find a tmobile hot spot at your local starbucks.