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[CPA]

The main thing I don't like about going to 18 games is the increased likelihood of running backs breaking the 2,000 yard barrier.

 

[AMDZen]

Yup, extending the season by 2 games is a mistake for a few reasons:

1) The NFL is having difficulty selling out games as it is.
Not in Denver we don't, we have the longest streak of sold out games in the NFL dating back to nearly the beginning of the team. We have a waiting list 10+ years long to get season tickets. The only teams having trouble selling out are in areas that probably shouldn't have teams. Plus, season ticket holders pay for 10 home games any way and that is not changing. If this is an issue for say, the lions - then lower the frickin' ticket prices.

2) More injuries.
This is a retarded argument, and could be looked at as a good thing. The team whom is deepest will prevail. The players will get used to it any way, they are playing the same number of games any way if they played all of preseason

3) Games are less meaningful.
This argument doesn't make sense either, the meaningfulness will remain the same. This same argument was made when we went from 12 to 14 games, and from 14 to 16. Now we are going to 18 so get used to the idea

4) Kinda goes with #1 -- by eliminating the four game preseason, teams will no longer travel for training camp, something that has become a big tradition in many places. It helps bring revenue to small towns and it gives the fans a chance to connect with the players and the team. Why rob them of that opportunity?
What? You didn't think this one out very well

Bold above

 

[ElFenix]

WTF are you talking about? Yes we do pay for the preseason games same as the regular season.

i don't think you read my post very carefully.

if you didn't have to buy the preseason ticket with the regular game tickets, how much do you think anyone would pay for them? $10? maybe $20 for good seats? we know for certain it isn't face value because everyone complains they wouldn't buy the things if they didn't have to in order to get the regular season tickets.

anything the NFL is charging above what people would pay for just preseason is actually additional money you're paying for regular season games.

 

[crownjules]

The main thing I don't like about going to 18 games is the increased likelihood of running backs breaking the 2,000 yard barrier.

You can't worry about it too much. Look at in 2007 when Moss broke the TD receptions in the regular season record, formerly held by Rice. Rice did it not only when he was injured and out a few games, but when the regular season was only 14 games instead of the 16 when Moss achieved it.

An extra two games in the season will obviously inflate numbers across the board.

 

[AMDZen]

i don't think you read my post very carefully.

if you didn't have to buy the preseason ticket with the regular game tickets, how much do you think anyone would pay for them? $10? maybe $20 for good seats? we know for certain it isn't face value because everyone complains they wouldn't buy the things if they didn't have to in order to get the regular season tickets.

anything the NFL is charging above what people would pay for just preseason is actually additional money you're paying for regular season games.

You live in a "what if" world, whatever. I have been paying for them so I know how it works. That isn't going to change, going to an 18 game season is a change that will happen.

 

[Udgnim]

I don't like it

the NFL is a violent sport and a 2 game expansion will just produce more injuries and reduce the longevity of player careers

 

[Adrenaline]

An extra two games in the season will obviously inflate numbers across the board.

The numbers that owners care most about, revenue numbers.

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

You can't worry about it too much. Look at in 2007 when Moss broke the TD receptions in the regular season record, formerly held by Rice. Rice did it not only when he was injured and out a few games, but when the regular season was only 14 games instead of the 16 when Moss achieved it.

An extra two games in the season will obviously inflate numbers across the board.

Huh? Rice wasn't in the league when the NFL was a 14 game season. The NFL converted to a 16 game season in 1978. Rice came in the league in 1985.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

yep, quantity over quality. unable to further expand into new markets, they're hitting the existing markets harder.

 

[lupi]

Excluding certain veteran player language in some of the leagues, no league has a requirement for guaranteed contracts. Each contract that is guaranteed is done so because it was individually bargained that way.

 

[Adrenaline]

Excluding certain veteran player language in some of the leagues, no league has a requirement for guaranteed contracts. Each contract that is guaranteed is done so because it was individually bargained that way.

MLB and NBA contracts are all guaranteed. I think all NHL contracts are as well.

The only NFL player with a guaranteed contract I know of is Steve Hutchinson.

 

[KMFJD]

I would hope that they cut the presason games in half as a result...

 

[Anubis]

TPAD.

caps.

you cant really argue that the shitstorm that would occur because of that would be epic and TBH more entertaining then most non playoff games

 

[ElFenix]

You live in a "what if" world, whatever. I have been paying for them so I know how it works. That isn't going to change, going to an 18 game season is a change that will happen.

what "what if" world? what isn't going to change? of course 18 game regular season is going to happen. i never disputed that.

 

[Kev]

You live in a "what if" world, whatever. I have been paying for them so I know how it works. That isn't going to change, going to an 18 game season is a change that will happen.

You still don't seem to get what he's trying to say. He's saying that basically if they eliminated all preseason games, they would need to increase the price of the regular season games, because some of the cost of the regular season games is built into the preseason ticket price. I don't see what's so difficult to understand here.

 

[lupi]

MLB and NBA contracts are all guaranteed. I think all NHL contracts are as well.

The only NFL player with a guaranteed contract I know of is Steve Hutchinson.

Don't read well do we.

 

[AMDZen]

You still don't seem to get what he's trying to say. He's saying that basically if they eliminated all preseason games, they would need to increase the price of the regular season games, because some of the cost of the regular season games is built into the preseason ticket price. I don't see what's so difficult to understand here.

Obviously you guys don't have season tickets. Preseason costs the same as regular season. The prices are not going to change and the # of games isn't changing either. So what point are you guys trying to make exactly.

 

[Zee]

i think it's a great idea. you guys are talking like there's a shortage of players who can be "starters". give me a break these guys get paid tons to do what they already love to do, there would easily be no problem at all expanding the roster to accommodate more games if necessary. There's plenty of talent both at the college level and already existing. ON the other side, we will see if it's not necessary to expand the roster after trying it out. There's no lose here, it's all win win. for the players and for the public

 

[Adrenaline]

Don't read well do we.

I would say that you don't. I was not saying you were wrong, I was pointing out the two leagues I follow which do and a third I thought did. People can see how large those contracts are and how some have destroyed team capabilities to sign people for a few years, like the Knicks.

Also, I only know of the one player I mentioned having a fully guaranteed contract in the NFL.

Another thing, if I recall correctly, A-Rod wanted to adjust his salary by lowering it so the Rangers could sign some pitching but the union stepped in and stopped it. Something along the lines ofthat was a hard fight to win and you just can't do that was what he was told.

 

[erikistired]

Also, Polomolu has a good point. The owners don't guarantee their contracts, so what incentive do the players have to play more games with a much higher risk of injury?

the fact they get millions of dollars to play a kids game while people who do things that actually contribute to society get squat?

other than that, he's probably right.

 

[lupi]

I would say that you don't. I was not saying you were wrong, I was pointing out the two leagues I follow which do and a third I thought did. People can see how large those contracts are and how some have destroyed team capabilities to sign people for a few years, like the Knicks.

Also, I only know of the one player I mentioned having a fully guaranteed contract in the NFL.

Another thing, if I recall correctly, A-Rod wanted to adjust his salary by lowering it so the Rangers could sign some pitching but the union stepped in and stopped it. Something along the lines ofthat was a hard fight to win and you just can't do that was what he was told.

ok, let me keep it simple. 00000000000000000000 people in any of the leagues have a guarenteed contract as stipulated by the collective bargained agreements in place.



aforementioned and related exceptions of course exist

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Obviously you guys don't have season tickets. Preseason costs the same as regular season. The prices are not going to change and the # of games isn't changing either. So what point are you guys trying to make exactly.

I don't know the current cost of tickets, but if the average cost per ticket in 2007 was $71.36., the point was that people paying for season tickets are willing to pay $713.60 for season tickets regardless of whether or not they go to the preseason games.

But just like with movie tickets, there's nothing stopping prices from going up on NFL tickets as long as they will sell, and an extra meaningful game will encourage sales and thus encourage price per ticket increases.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

the fact they get millions of dollars to play a kids game while people who do things that actually contribute to society get squat?

other than that, he's probably right.

While they're certainly not poor, the average NFL player risks far more for far less money than just about any other major sport. To pile on to that, the average player only lasts a few seasons.

The average NFL player plays just 3.52 seasons and loses two to three years off his life expectancy for every season played.

source

Blame society for lifting up sports players, don't blame the players.

 

[Kev]

Obviously you guys don't have season tickets. Preseason costs the same as regular season. The prices are not going to change and the # of games isn't changing either. So what point are you guys trying to make exactly.

are you being intentionally obtuse?