If tae kwon do isn't that great in a real fight...

[lxskllr]

It's a combative sport. Sports are popular.

To expand on that, TKD is *very* sport oriented. For a long time that was the striking style you chose if you wanted to compete. That made a lot of people who then wanted to open schools, so it perpetuated itself(for better or worse).

 

[Fulle]

bjj is great against 1 opponent.

Royce Gracie really made BJJ popular in the United States. Its really effective for 1v1 fighting that goes to the ground.... That's it, though, in a lot of other scenarios, it's a bad choice. In my area we have it as a very common thing to to pair up BJJ with Muay Thai.

 

[Artorias]

Who needs all those fancy moves when you could just one punch knockout someone, go learn how to box and build power behind you strike if you want to defend yourself.

 

[Craig234]

Boxers have some amazing skills, but they can be beaten quite a bit by other skills.

 

[Fulle]

Boxers have some amazing skills, but they can be beaten quite a bit by other skills.

I don't really have a good place to box around here, which is a shame. Just Muay Thai for the most part, but I thought boxing was pretty useful. Helps build speed, endurance, explosive power, agility.... I love it. It's also what got me hooked on jump rope as a cardio exercise. Haha, I used to let my head drop too far forward before boxing too, and getting punched in the face enough times fixed that.

 

[zerocool84]

Who needs all those fancy moves when you could just one punch knockout someone, go learn how to box and build power behind you strike if you want to defend yourself.

And if someone decides to kick you or take you down you're f'd. That's why many MMA fighters learn multiple disciplines.

 

[John Connor]

Who needs all those fancy moves when you could just one punch knockout someone, go learn how to box and build power behind you strike if you want to defend yourself.

It's called a block, dude!

Or you move lightning fast. Worked for me. Dude swung and I moved and he hit his fist on an I-beam. Fucked his shit up.

Here ya go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjG4bfovk4o

 

[John Connor]

And if someone decides to kick you or take you down you're f'd. That's why many MMA fighters learn multiple disciplines.

My Cuz is into MMA and trains people. He was always an athletic little dude when I knew him living in Cali. Now he's a big brute. LOL I'm hoping one day he can show me some moves.

 

[ed21x]

I remember one of the very early pay per view UFC matches. They were talking up this guy who was a judo expert, made the Olympic team, his fast strikes and kicks. Then the camera cut to his opponent....Tank Abbott, who may have been smoking a cigarette pacing like a wolf outside the octagon. The match lasted moments, Tank was a big guy who liked to fight. He shrugged off a punch or two, I kind of remember a weird kick from the Judo guy, then Tank threw him to the ground and beat the crap out of the Judo guy.

for every tank abbot, there is a lyoto machida who is just as successful yet champions martial arts as a basis. in the end, i tend to believe that every type of fighting style is a type of martial art, be it jiu jitsu, wrestling, boxing, or muay thai. Some people, like Abbot, or even Kimbo Slice are naturally gifted at fighting and don't need that martial arts background to be good. I'm sure all the asian martial arts originated from more practical applications at one point, but ever since the advent of the gun, they're more or less used ceremoniously as homage to their culture.

 

[Maridon Tier]

Krav Maga is too violent of a martial art, it was created mainly to defend against violent street assaults like people rolling up to you with a knife and other close quarter combat situations. Can youtube it to see how people 1v3 in real life with krav maga, it's pretty cool but honestly also very dangerous. Not many places open up to teach it because of this. I beleive they also banned it from UFC Fighting and other events like that.

 

[tynopik]

I beleive they also banned it from UFC Fighting and other events like that.

no

unless you mean the part about using a knife, yes, that is banned

here's a list of what's banned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMA_rules#Fouls

Holding or grabbing the fence
Holding opponent’s shorts or gloves
Butting with the head
Biting or spitting at an opponent
Hair pulling
Fish-hooking
Intentionally placing a finger into any orifice, or into any cut or laceration of an opponent
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Downward pointing of elbow strikes (see 12-6 elbow)
Small joint manipulation
Strikes to the spine or back of the head (see Rabbit punch)
Heel kicks to the kidney
Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea
Clawing, pinching, twisting the flesh or grabbing the clavicle
Kicking the head of a grounded opponent (see Soccer kick)
Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent
Stomping on a grounded fighter

 

[mizzou]

Do you know who that could be, the only 'judo' guy I can think of who fought Tank was Oleg Taktarov and Oleg beat him. It would also be odd to talk about a judo guy's strikes and kicks seeing as the whole martial art is grappling.

He was a seasoned wrestler, which especially early in UFC history was very important...but I don't honestly really remember him using any wrestling techniques.

 

[futurefields]

people say muay thai and what not

but i really think being a good wrestler is best at avoiding getting your ass kicked

if you are a good boxer on top of it, that's all you really need

 

[SSSnail]

Krav Maga is too violent of a martial art, it was created mainly to defend against violent street assaults like people rolling up to you with a knife and other close quarter combat situations. Can youtube it to see how people 1v3 in real life with krav maga, it's pretty cool but honestly also very dangerous. Not many places open up to teach it because of this. I beleive they also banned it from UFC Fighting and other events like that.

Krav Maga, as with any other combat oriented fighting style, is not designed to be stylistic or to score points, it's designed to kill or maim. You're talking about a life and death situation vs. street fight.

 

[notposting]

I remember one of the very early pay per view UFC matches. They were talking up this guy who was a judo expert, made the Olympic team, his fast strikes and kicks. Then the camera cut to his opponent....Tank Abbott, who may have been smoking a cigarette pacing like a wolf outside the octagon. The match lasted moments, Tank was a big guy who liked to fight. He shrugged off a punch or two, I kind of remember a weird kick from the Judo guy, then Tank threw him to the ground and beat the crap out of the Judo guy.

Worked with a guy who reaaaaally hated this video. He is not Tank Abbott, which might narrow it down. Good guy, electrician, maybe some brain damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiPpFpaxZRU

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/4/Sherdogs-Top-10-OnePunch-Knockouts-99207

 

[Pacfanweb]

I remember one of the very early pay per view UFC matches. They were talking up this guy who was a judo expert, made the Olympic team, his fast strikes and kicks. Then the camera cut to his opponent....Tank Abbott, who may have been smoking a cigarette pacing like a wolf outside the octagon. The match lasted moments, Tank was a big guy who liked to fight. He shrugged off a punch or two, I kind of remember a weird kick from the Judo guy, then Tank threw him to the ground and beat the crap out of the Judo guy.

There always is a point to where just sheer size and power overwhelms technique and skill, no matter how good the smaller guy is.

Google Conor McGregor vs. The Mountain and watch them spar. McGregor couldn't do anything with that dude. He knew better than the get close enough to let The Mountain get ahold of him, so he just tried to hit and run...mostly run. The Mountain was just too big and strong. The only possible way Conor could have beaten him would have been to tire him out. Otherwise, eventually The Mountain would have gotten his hands on him and that would have been all she wrote.

 

[foghorn67]

There always is a point to where just sheer size and power overwhelms technique and skill, no matter how good the smaller guy is.

Google Conor McGregor vs. The Mountain and watch them spar. McGregor couldn't do anything with that dude. He knew better than the get close enough to let The Mountain get ahold of him, so he just tried to hit and run...mostly run. The Mountain was just too big and strong. The only possible way Conor could have beaten him would have been to tire him out. Otherwise, eventually The Mountain would have gotten his hands on him and that would have been all she wrote.

That's pretty cool. Looks like there is a mutual respect between the two. Any background story?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There always is a point to where just sheer size and power overwhelms technique and skill, no matter how good the smaller guy is.

Google Conor McGregor vs. The Mountain and watch them spar. McGregor couldn't do anything with that dude. He knew better than the get close enough to let The Mountain get ahold of him, so he just tried to hit and run...mostly run. The Mountain was just too big and strong. The only possible way Conor could have beaten him would have been to tire him out. Otherwise, eventually The Mountain would have gotten his hands on him and that would have been all she wrote.

I'll check that out. I wasn't trying to call the other guy a pussy, he'd beat my ass it was more about training & style vs big and practiced. I remember his more learned opponent stretching, warming up doing stuff that's supposed to be done and Tanks pacing back and forth building his rage meter. I can easily imagine a guy like Tank being in tons of fights throughout his life.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

street fighting is more then any martial art. MMA is close but even then those fighters are not trained for doing the real fucked up attacks. There is a judo throw that breaks your arm on the way down. Obviously a mma fighter cant use that throw as they would end the career of the other person. But on the street? Against 3? Sure. I would say if you are in a situation where you are about to street fight 3 plus people you done fucked up somewhere. Situational awareness is worth more then all these skills.

Rousey nearly twisted Meisha's arm off their first fight. Just one example of how wrong that statement is.

As to TKD: They use Korean so it is dojang instead of dojo. They proliferate because it is the soccer mom of martial arts. Most karate is as bad.

Judo does have atemi waza, it is rarely taught now. And was not for randori since it was deemed to dangerous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laEzlIVeV6M

Krav maga is the cross fit of martial arts. Krav and such give a false sense of badassery. Good Krav is rare, like good pick a flavor karate, good TKD, good pick a flavor Kung Fu school. Do them because it is fun, to learn about another culture, to get in or stay in shape. Any self defense capability should be considered ancillary. You have to pressure test the way an art like BJJ and judo does, against all shapes, sizes, skill levels, athletic abilities, to develop an effective skillset. Muay Thai, kickboxing, boxing, and full contact/knockdown karate that spar hard and often are great too.

Every retard with a pulse thinks they can punch you in the throat, kick you in the knee, gouge your eyes, fish hook, attack your groin, and stop you with their car keys. Try that against someone that throws 10 of thousands of strikes every year, spend 100s of hours on the mats and sparring, and endures through ass beatings and injuries. That is where you separate the players from the fans.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

There always is a point to where just sheer size and power overwhelms technique and skill, no matter how good the smaller guy is.

Google Conor McGregor vs. The Mountain and watch them spar. McGregor couldn't do anything with that dude. He knew better than the get close enough to let The Mountain get ahold of him, so he just tried to hit and run...mostly run. The Mountain was just too big and strong. The only possible way Conor could have beaten him would have been to tire him out. Otherwise, eventually The Mountain would have gotten his hands on him and that would have been all she wrote.

Mountain is a serious outlier first of all. Most great MMA guys at hw 285 limit most orgs, would still get my money over even a freak like the Mountain. I saw out of shape Timmah come in fat and beat world's strongest man winner Pudz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wfcQVxV5Cw

Mountain would get gassed and smashed. I have seen 600lb+ guys beat by guys 250lbs. Fedor armbarred choi who was an actual legit fighter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3QzX1ZadJM

When near the same skill level size and strength are a great advantage, but a strongman v world champ HW? Fighter gets my money almost every time. grabbing a hold of people is not like anything inanimate. Leverage is king, and as Archimedes is thought to have stated "Give me a lever and a place to stand and I will move the earth." A great HW MMA fighter has everything needed to beat any untrained or undertrained human if he fights smart.

 

[Apex]

Rousey nearly twisted Meisha's arm off their first fight. Just one example of how wrong that statement is.

As to TKD: They use Korean so it is dojang instead of dojo. They proliferate because it is the soccer mom of martial arts. Most karate is as bad.

Judo does have atemi waza, it is rarely taught now. And was not for randori since it was deemed to dangerous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laEzlIVeV6M

Krav maga is the cross fit of martial arts. Krav and such give a false sense of badassery. Good Krav is rare, like good pick a flavor karate, good TKD, good pick a flavor Kung Fu school. Do them because it is fun, to learn about another culture, to get in or stay in shape. Any self defense capability should be considered ancillary. You have to pressure test the way an art like BJJ and judo does, against all shapes, sizes, skill levels, athletic abilities, to develop an effective skillset. Muay Thai, kickboxing, boxing, and full contact/knockdown karate that spar hard and often are great too.

Every retard with a pulse thinks they can punch you in the throat, kick you in the knee, gouge your eyes, fish hook, attack your groin, and stop you with their car keys. Try that against someone that throws 10 of thousands of strikes every year, spend 100s of hours on the mats and sparring, and endures through ass beatings and injuries. That is where you separate the players from the fans.

QFT

 

[sactoking]

Adding my two cents:

Tae Kwon Do isn't inherently bad in a fight so long as you know its limitations. TKD practitioners have some of the fastest, most powerful kicks on the planet. Considering that most street fights start at long range (as opposed to, say, clench range) entering in on someone whose specialty is kicks can be very dangerous.

That being said, TKD has some major drawbacks. As mentioned it is useless in short and clench range fighting. You also have to completely ignore sanctioned point sparring in your training as it teaches terrible habits. Watch TKD tournaments and you'll often see fighters' hands near their waists, which is terrible, but a byproduct of the training.

There are similar critiques for all fighting styles. That's why anyone who wants to be "street safe" needs to study a variety of techniques and learn how to blend them for the situation.

 

[blankslate]

Sure. I would say if you are in a situation where you are about to street fight 3 plus people you done fucked up somewhere.

Either that or you're one fucked in the head BAMF who relishes the sound of bones that you are breaking. I doubt anyone posting in this thread is in the latter category though.

Judo does have atemi waza, it is rarely taught now. And was not for randori since it was deemed to dangerous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laEzlIVeV6M

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So you're saying the Japanese didn't want to teach the best techniques to gaijin? Judo originated in Japan? or am I incorrect?



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[Craig234]

My martial arts story:

One year I went to a Japanese Karate tournament in Mexico. I was the only American.

In the brown belt division, I was in the final match. The other guy was named Guillermo.

He couldn't have been a nicer guy, and he was so good, I'd never seen anything like it.

He was seemingly going easy on me he was so good. He won, I took second.

I felt better, the next year I went back, and this time I took first in brown. During the year he'd gone black, and here's how he did.

There were two types of matches, individual and team. He was in both, and in every single match in both he won every single point. So I felt better. He was just amazing.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

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So you're saying the Japanese didn't want to teach the best techniques to gaijin? Judo originated in Japan? or am I incorrect?



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Not what I meant, but you are correct that judo is Japanese. It came from jujutsu which had more of what some would term dirty fighting in it. Jutsu is generally considered the methods or techniques for combat. Where "Do" is usually associated with character building and sport application. Prof. Kano took the nasty stuff with higher injury risk out of the randori/sparring to make it safer to train. They would do them in drills which is what that video is, drills versus real sparring/rolling. Judo's inclusion in the Olympics has changed the way many dojos train it too, due to rule set and judging.

While there is also truth in the statement about the Japanese not wanting to share the arts with outsiders in the past, it is no longer the case. I have heard that crap from Shotokan instructors for decades, and it is just a cop out for not knowing the answer to what the bunkai or techniques "hidden" in a kata are. "Pure" Shotokan karate instructors, by pure I mean do not crosstrain other arts, tend to suck at throws, takedowns, clinch fighting, well pretty much anything that is not practiced in hard sparring. Sure they look competent doing the few they were taught, against willing partners, but ramp it up to randori or sparring level and they look like the white belts they are, at them. It is why their bunkai for kata is punchy, kicky, blocky, mostly. Long story short, no one is holding back the good stuff, it is simply that they cannot teach what they were never taught.