If Sanders wins Michigan, it will be the greatest polling error/upset ever

[BoberFett]

This board will never be good enough to deserve you.

Thank goodness you bestow your thoughts upon us. #blessed

Arise and walk my son, you are healed.

 

[BoberFett]

I think this is a point that a lot of people are missing on the difference between Clinton and Sanders, and why a lot of people don't understand why people that typically vote republican would actually consider voting for Sanders but not Clinton, even though Sanders falls even further to the left than Clinton. While Clinton and Sanders overlap quite heavily on social and economic issues, they are quite different in terms of Authoritarian/Libertarian views. Sanders has a much better record when it comes to things like the Patriot Act, Gun Control, Drug War, and World Policing. I think this is why Sanders has such a huge advantage among the younger population while Clinton has the advantage with the older population. The older population tends to be much more Authoritarian, whereas the younger population tends to be much more Libertarian.

Great insight. :thumbsup:

 

[Bitek]

I think this is a point that a lot of people are missing on the difference between Clinton and Sanders, and why a lot of people don't understand why people that typically vote republican would actually consider voting for Sanders but not Clinton, even though Sanders falls even further to the left than Clinton. While Clinton and Sanders overlap quite heavily on social and economic issues, they are quite different in terms of Authoritarian/Libertarian views. Sanders has a much better record when it comes to things like the Patriot Act, Gun Control, Drug War, and World Policing. I think this is why Sanders has such a huge advantage among the younger population while Clinton has the advantage with the older population. The older population tends to be much more Authoritarian, whereas the younger population tends to be much more Libertarian.

IOW... Sanders is the Ron Paul of the left. He only ever takes ideological positions, votes against anything that doesn't meet his purity test, and thus has never actually accomplished anything in his entire life. In his high uselessness, he stands in judgement of anyone who has actually managed to achieve something through compromise.

"Older" people can see through the bullshit and understand how the world works vs what you wish it was.

 

[MagickMan]

And we return to the concern trolling canard about superdelegates. When we get to the convention, there's no reason to think that they won't push the candidate with the most delegates over the top just as they've done every time in the past.

"Concern trolling"? Fuck you. I voted for Bernie, you worthless twat.

Please temper the tone and language of your responses.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[MagickMan]

Why am I "on the right"? Because you say so? Because I'm the enemy, and you perceive your enemy is "the right", so I must be "on the right"?

You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.

They're truly some ignorant shits, aren't they? I'm somehow "on the Right", despite the fact I voted for Sanders in the primary and vote Dem 2/3rds of the time in everything else. It boggles the mind how indoctrinated these fools are.

 

[MagickMan]

I think this is a point that a lot of people are missing on the difference between Clinton and Sanders, and why a lot of people don't understand why people that typically vote republican would actually consider voting for Sanders but not Clinton, even though Sanders falls even further to the left than Clinton. While Clinton and Sanders overlap quite heavily on social and economic issues, they are quite different in terms of Authoritarian/Libertarian views. Sanders has a much better record when it comes to things like the Patriot Act, Gun Control, Drug War, and World Policing. I think this is why Sanders has such a huge advantage among the younger population while Clinton has the advantage with the older population. The older population tends to be much more Authoritarian, whereas the younger population tends to be much more Libertarian.

Yep. In reality Sanders is Libertarian Left, not Authoritarian Left, like Hitlery. That makes quite a difference.

 

[MagickMan]

Please temper the tone and language of your responses.

Perknose
Forum Director

Did Jhhnn's fee fees get hurt? Are we now going to report people and cry over someone using "dirty words"? Sack-up Jhhnn, that's pathetic. :\

 

[jackstar7]

Did Jhhnn's fee fees get hurt? Are we now going to report people and cry over someone using "dirty words"? Sack-up Jhhnn, that's pathetic. :\

You don't have to be reported to be called out by a mod.

It does show your character to whine about it though and attack another poster.

 

[MagickMan]

You don't have to be reported to be called out by a mod.

It does show your character to whine about it though and attack another poster.

As if you have room to talk, 9/10ths of your posts are attacks on other members, you hypocrite.

 

[jackstar7]

As if you have room to talk, 9/10ths of your posts are attacks on other members, you hypocrite.

Naturally you'd attack me next.

I'll let my character stand on this board. The people who know my posting can judge the veracity of your claim and know more about you for it.

 

[WelshBloke]

IOW... Sanders is the Ron Paul of the left. He only ever takes ideological positions, votes against anything that doesn't meet his purity test, and thus has never actually accomplished anything in his entire life. In his high uselessness, he stands in judgement of anyone who has actually managed to achieve something through compromise.

"Older" people can see through the bullshit and understand how the world works vs what you wish it was.

As far as I'm aware he's been quite effective at getting legislation passed through compromise.

http://www.alternet.org/election-20...shing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

Did Jhhnn's fee fees get hurt? Are we now going to report people and cry over someone using "dirty words"? Sack-up Jhhnn, that's pathetic. :\

Wind your neck in. It makes you look thin skinned and childish if you cant move on when asked.

 

[nageov3t]

As far as I'm aware he's been quite effective at getting legislation passed through compromise.

http://www.alternet.org/election-20...shing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

I think it all depends on how you feel like analyzing it.

he's proposed the healthcare reform plans that he's running his campaign on before in Congress and they didn't receive a single yes vote or cosponsor... on the other hand, getting stuff like VA reforms passed after the VA health scandal erupted was kind of a no-brainer. I've never heard of any contentious legislation that he spearheaded, though.

he and Ted Cruz were just recently ranked the two most partisan members of the current Senate.

 

[WelshBloke]

I think it all depends on how you feel like analyzing it.

Thats politics I guess. :\

I was just posting to counter...

and thus has never actually accomplished anything in his entire life.

Which is obviously bollocks.

 

[werepossum]

I think this is a point that a lot of people are missing on the difference between Clinton and Sanders, and why a lot of people don't understand why people that typically vote republican would actually consider voting for Sanders but not Clinton, even though Sanders falls even further to the left than Clinton. While Clinton and Sanders overlap quite heavily on social and economic issues, they are quite different in terms of Authoritarian/Libertarian views. Sanders has a much better record when it comes to things like the Patriot Act, Gun Control, Drug War, and World Policing. I think this is why Sanders has such a huge advantage among the younger population while Clinton has the advantage with the older population. The older population tends to be much more Authoritarian, whereas the younger population tends to be much more Libertarian.

That's an excellent point, thanks. It explains people like myself; there are damned few Republicans who would force me to vote for Hillary, but quite a few who would force me to vote for Sanders even though I'm very much not a socialist. Even though his politics are not mine, I recognize that he is among the best politicians whereas Clinton is one of the worst.

 

[werepossum]

I think it all depends on how you feel like analyzing it.

he's proposed the healthcare reform plans that he's running his campaign on before in Congress and they didn't receive a single yes vote or cosponsor... on the other hand, getting stuff like VA reforms passed after the VA health scandal erupted was kind of a no-brainer. I've never heard of any contentious legislation that he spearheaded, though.

he and Ted Cruz were just recently ranked the two most partisan members of the current Senate.

Good point. Sanders is extremely far left, although I don't know I'd call him partisan since IIRC he became an independent socialist. But as Sonikku pointed out, Sanders' value as President might not be so much what he could do as what he could stop. Got to be some of that in the Senate as well. Not as much, obviously, but just being a vote and a voice against Uncle Sugar's continuing empowerment is itself a worthy accomplishment.

 

[SP33Demon]

Enlighten me. Which of my views are conservative? And before you make a fool of yourself, don't confuse libertarian/authoritarian with conservative/liberal.

So what is it? How am I conservative?

Is it the fact that I don't think the US should be playing world police and that we could cut our military drastically?

Or maybe it's my pro-choice (well, technically I'm pro-abortion, but I can't really force more people to get them) stance that's so conservative?

Or perhaps my anti-prohibition views are conservative? I know how much conservatives hate the War on Drugs.

Maybe it's that I'd be OK with a public option for health insurance? I KNOW conservatives love that.

Oh, I know, it's the fact that I think the future of automation might demand a basic income (or some similar idea) just to have a functional economy?

So tell me eskimospy, what do I believe that's conservative in your estimation? And do you really think it makes me conservative, or does it just mean that your definition of conservative and liberal have no basis in reality, and you're just using it as a convenient pejorative? Why do you think I so frequently put quotation marks around "liberal" and "conservative"?
Note: It may interest you to know that I fall into the lower left quadrant of the common left/right/authoritarian/libertarian graph. Far to the left of "good liberals" like Hillary.

I think you're confusing social conservatives and fiscal conservatives because they aren't always the same thing. Like me, I fall more into the Modern Wig spectrum as does Trump on most issues (although Trump is tougher on immigration). Going through your list:
Abortion (social conservative)
War on Drugs (social)
Single Payer (social)
Automation (fiscal)

So it seems like you're mostly against many social conservative issues.

Regarding automation, I agree with you. However, to get to full automation we need to get to the Star Trek replicator level of providing for our people. Handouts that don't give incentive for people to work are going to delay getting that technology by 100 or even 200 years.

 

[jackstar7]

Regarding automation, I agree with you. However, to get to full automation we need to get to the Star Trek replicator level of providing for our people. Handouts that don't give incentive for people to work are going to delay getting that technology by 100 or even 200 years.

Replicators will still require power. Strange how controlling power has always been a coveted position.

The economy of scarcity won't be done away with in one move.

 

[werepossum]

Replicators will still require power. Strange how controlling power has always been a coveted position.

The economy of scarcity won't be done away with in one move.

Nope, we're all going to have the free power replicator option on our free replicators. Just plug the power replicator's cord into the power replicator and presto, free power!

 

[SP33Demon]

Replicators will still require power. Strange how controlling power has always been a coveted position.

The economy of scarcity won't be done away with in one move.

We should solve solar power in the next 100 years. I've already powered all my outside floodlights off solar and am looking into powering a lot of our houselights off solar as well. It's coming along nicely.

 

[jackstar7]

We should solve solar power in the next 100 years. I've already powered all my outside floodlights off solar and am looking into powering a lot of our houselights off solar as well. It's coming along nicely.

Oh shit... you know how much power it will take to operate a replicator?

Why are you keeping these secrets?


I also like that you'll be dead by the time all these things happen. That's excellent forecasting.

 

[SP33Demon]

Oh shit... you know how much power it will take to operate a replicator?

Why are you keeping these secrets?


I also like that you'll be dead by the time all these things happen. That's excellent forecasting.

You honestly don't think we'll have solar power figured out by 3016? Dumb post, when I'm still alive I'll come back to this post to chastise you since I'm still in my 30's. Obviously we'll be living much longer by then as well (if you have the money). Mortality will be figured out in the next 35 years according to studies.

 

[WelshBloke]

You honestly don't think we'll have solar power figured out by 3016? Dumb post, when I'm still alive I'll come back to this post to chastise you since I'm still in my 30's. Obviously we'll be living much longer by then as well (if you have the money). Mortality will be figured out in the next 35 years according to studies.

Lol.

Everything will be fixed... Because stuff.

 

[SP33Demon]

Lol.

Everything will be fixed... Because stuff.

http://www.livescience.com/6967-hang-25-year-wait-immortality.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/solar-power-...e-2016-companies-add-16-gw-new-panels-2333134

 

[WelshBloke]

http://www.livescience.com/6967-hang-25-year-wait-immortality.html
http://www.ibtimes.com/solar-power-...e-2016-companies-add-16-gw-new-panels-2333134

Lol.

Everything will be fixed... Because random links.

 

[jackstar7]

You honestly don't think we'll have solar power figured out by 3016? Dumb post, when I'm still alive I'll come back to this post to chastise you since I'm still in my 30's. Obviously we'll be living much longer by then as well (if you have the money). Mortality will be figured out in the next 35 years according to studies.

Ha!

Math for winners!!