If recovering alcoholics should not have a drop of alcohol again ever

[JulesMaximus]

Yes I am blaming his wife... what kind of fucking idiot pulls that shit off? You don't chase your husband down and bash out his car with a golf club, that's assault/battery, vandalism, disturbing the peace, etc. and I'm surprised she hasn't been charged with anything. Stupid crazy bitch. It's completely inexcusable for her to act the way she did and if the roles were reversed, the point would still stand. Furthermore what she did caused irreparable damage to his family, his career and herself by making him look sleazy and her like a whackjob.

I don't think tiget has a "sex addiction". I think the reason he is doing this is because he wants the media to stfu. I hate to use this example but it's a wee bit similar to Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Olsen twins, etc. checking themselves into rehab facilities so get the media off their back since they're "addressing their issue". However, the difference in this case is that if it weren't for the mess his wife created, I'm pretty damn sure he wouldn't be checking himself into any rehab facility. His wife created this mess by acting like a lunatic. If Tiger had admitted to infidelity and she behaved how a person should behave, I'm pretty damn certain this wouldn't have mushroomed into what we now know it as.

Oh and please, don't attempt to excuse his wife's behavior in all of this.

Wow, you really are a moron. Tiger is lucky his wife didn't kill him. He betrayed their marriage and her trust! He didn't cheat because she was nuts. She went nuts because he cheated.

 

[ahenkel]

my god amazing. just when i think fleabag couldnt get any fucking dumber he does it.

really to blame the wife??

/facepalm

ok. so don't take ANY KIND OF ADVICE from fleabag. he has no fucking clue what he is talking about.

I have an forum account at maximumpc.com and I recall they perma-banned someone because his advice was so bad and wrong.

 

[fleabag]

Wow, you really are a moron. Tiger is lucky his wife didn't kill him. He betrayed their marriage and her trust! He didn't cheat because she was nuts. She went nuts because he cheated.

Are you seriously excusing such an egregious act?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

my god amazing. just when i think fleabag couldnt get any fucking dumber he does it.

really to blame the wife??

/facepalm

ok. so don't take ANY KIND OF ADVICE from fleabag. he has no fucking clue what he is talking about.

He's just being an attention whore, Elin didn't do sheit and Tiger cheated on her, from what has been told that is all we know.

I'm kinda fond of going with what is known.

Fleabag has never been right before, why would he be right now?

 

[wheresmybacon]

I really think it depends on the person and the addiction. Not all recovering alcoholics can never have a drink again for example.

If you truly are alcoholic, the only cure is abstinance from drinking. No medical doctor or addiction medicine specialist will argue any point otherwise.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Are you seriously excusing such an egregious act?

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Not saying it is right, just that you would be a fool not to expect it.

Her actions were a result of his cheating.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Are you seriously excusing such an egregious act?

According to Tiger she never even touched him, much less hit him with any object.

But yeah, any man who is grown up will tell you this, near a woman scorn or in the middle of a mine field are two places where you don't want to be and no matter what you do next, it will be painful.

 

[slayer202]

A good friend of my wife's is married to an alcoholic. This guy drinks himself to oblivion everytime he touches the stuff. He is physically addicted to it to the point of having severe withdrawals and seizures because of his addiction. My wife's friend is practically on a first name basis with half the paramedics in the area and they know her house because they've been called out there so many times.

This guy really should never touch alcohol because he can't control his addiction or himself when he drinks.

so because he doesn't want to go through the withdrawal, he is an addict? thats some pussy shit. man up, go get help if you need it, and stop drinking. If I was close with an addict I'd throw his ass in my basement with some food and lock the fucking door for a week

 

[slayer202]

ILed

Should've done this awhile ago, but you just now popped your busy body self into my thread. This is a hobby of yours. You post smack on here in just about every one of your responses. Too bad you've found our little board to haunt.

In case you don't know what ILed means, it means I will no longer respond to your insult riddled posts because I won't see them. Thank you vBulletin.

you can ignore people? awesome. consider YOURSELF "ILed" crazy witch

 

[Evadman]

It's his wife's fault for all of this, not him. I think he's just a normal guy who was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

WTF? It isn't his wife's fault. That would be like me smacking you upside the head with a frying pan, then blaming the frying pan for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[wheresmybacon]

The alcohol is a disease thing isn't something that I don't believe has much scientific weight behind it. I believe that that's the view touted by AA and most of AA is BS. Not saying it can't help people recover, whatever works you is good! The thing is that most people who become emotional and physically addicted to alcohol are using it as a crutch to hide from other mental problems. These underlying problems are what need to be fixed. Now once those are some people can return to normal drinking others still can't. I don't believe it to be a black and white issue.

This is wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to begin. Short version is you're wrong on basically everything here.

I'll just say this: if you were a doctor or addictionlogist treating addicts and alcoholics most of your patients would be dead.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

If you truly are alcoholic, the only cure is abstinance from drinking. No medical doctor or addiction medicine specialist will argue any point otherwise.

This simply isn't true. I know for a FACT that there are numerous MD's and i don't know what the fuck an "addiction medicine specialist" is besides something you made up as you wrote your post but if there was such a thing they would disagree with you too.

There ARE alcoholics that can drink socially and abstain from drinking when they shouldn't be drinking.

What is argued is that you don't ever know who is who so why not abstain all together to be on the safe side. I remember this debate about AAS's in the 80-90's where doctors were instructed to tell people that they were addictive, produced no results what so ever and should never be taken.

That didn't go well and i think that most alcoholics shudder at the thought that they must abstain completely and never drink again so much that most DO drink again and then think... To hell with it, now i might as well drink all around the clock.

I don't think that it's a good idea to tell alcoholics that if they fall once they are back into abuse because then they'll think "ah well, fuck it then, i'll stay drunk now, might as well as i am not capable of being sober tomorrow".

 

[fleabag]

According to Tiger she never even touched him, much less hit him with any object.

But yeah, any man who is grown up will tell you this, near a woman scorn or in the middle of a mine field are two places where you don't want to be and no matter what you do next, it will be painful.

Even if she didn't which he probably won't admit to in order to make things easier, what she did was against the law and completely inexcusable. It's not like he murdered her family and got away with it or something, he cheated on her, that's it. If he did the same thing to her, people would be all over him and try to charge him with attempted murder.

 

[JulesMaximus]

so because he doesn't want to go through the withdrawal, he is an addict? thats some pussy shit. man up, go get help if you need it, and stop drinking. If I was close with an addict I'd throw his ass in my basement with some food and lock the fucking door for a week

He does want to. He just fails at it over and over again.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Even if she didn't which he probably won't admit to in order to make things easier, what she did was against the law and completely inexcusable. It's not like he murdered her family and got away with it or something, he cheated on her, that's it. If he did the same thing to her, people would be all over him and try to charge him with attempted murder.

Well, Tiger said she didn't hit him. What are the Police going to do? Haul her in and charge her with assault with no witnesses? That would be pretty stupid don't you think?

 

[JulesMaximus]

WTF? It isn't his wife's fault. That would be like me smacking you upside the head with a frying pan, then blaming the frying pan for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

LOL!!! Best analogy ever! :thumbsup:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Even if she didn't which he probably won't admit to in order to make things easier, what she did was against the law and completely inexcusable. It's not like he murdered her family and got away with it or something, he cheated on her, that's it. If he did the same thing to her, people would be all over him and try to charge him with attempted murder.

She should just have left him, on that i agree, all this fucking drama is completely unneccessary but she didn't do ANYTHING to him according to him, her and all witnesses so your idiocy is just retarded.

He's obviously a playboy, let him be a playboy but Elin isn't the kind of woman who sits at home as her husbands fucks every little twat and then some, good for her, take half and fuck him up the arse good. He brought it on himself, ALL his doing.

That SHE was so jealous should tell you something, normal hollywood wifes wouldn't give a sheit, but she wasn't in this for the cash, she got real upset when he betrayed her.

If they get back together though, she's lost any respect she gained from me here, because it'll happen again, well that or she'll shoot him or he'll shoot her, who knows... In reality, anything they had that could be called true is gone by now.

 

[slayer202]

He does want to. He just fails at it over and over again.

has he gotten clean and then just relapses? either way, he rather drink than be sober. that is HIS choice as far as i'm concerned

 

[fleabag]

WTF? It isn't his wife's fault. That would be like me smacking you upside the head with a frying pan, then blaming the frying pan for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

No, the case with tiger and his wife is more like a woman telling you to hit me upside the head with a frying pan, and then YOU blaming the woman for her telling you to do so after you get arrested and charged with assault and battery. In this theoretical scenario, the Woman in this case is Tiger and you being his wife. It's not like his wife came out and attacked tiger because she thought he was a burglar, but because the crazies inside her finally came out after she discovered the infidelity.

There is a double standard here, if Tiger did the same thing because SHE cheated on him, he'd be on death row by now for attempted murder. (I'm exaggerating)

 

[WelshBloke]

so because he doesn't want to go through the withdrawal, he is an addict? thats some pussy shit. man up, go get help if you need it, and stop drinking. If I was close with an addict I'd throw his ass in my basement with some food and lock the fucking door for a week

If he was a serious alcoholic you'd probably kill him by doing that.

 

[JulesMaximus]

has he gotten clean and then just relapses? either way, he rather drink than be sober. that is HIS choice as far as i'm concerned

Not really. His wife keeps taking him to treatment and he checks himself out after a couple days. I think he drinks to control the withdrawal symptoms but when he gets started he just keeps on drinking until he gets into this vicious spiral and ends up back in the hospital and rehab again.

Honestly, I think his wife should have left his dumb ass a long time ago. She has stayed overnight at our house once because she refused to enable him. She needs to kick his ass out IMO.

 

[fleabag]

She should just have left him, on that i agree, all this fucking drama is completely unneccessary but she didn't do ANYTHING to him according to him, her and all witnesses so your idiocy is just retarded.

maybe not but if I chased a random woman down the street with a golf club, you can bet your ass I'd be in jail for a lengthy period of time. Yes I'm aware there is nothing the police can do, but people down playing this as 'typical female behavior" are in a way misogynistic.

 

[JulesMaximus]

No, the case with tiger and his wife is more like a woman telling you to hit me upside the head with a frying pan, and then YOU blaming the woman for her telling you to do so after you get arrested and charged with assault and battery. In this theoretical scenario, the Woman in this case is Tiger and you being his wife. It's not like his wife came out and attacked tiger because she thought he was a burglar, but because the crazies inside her finally came out after she discovered the infidelity.

There is a double standard here, if Tiger did the same thing because SHE cheated on him, he'd be on death row by now for attempted murder. (I'm exaggerating)

Please...do you know how many battered women lie to protect their abusive husbands and keep them out of jail?

Give me a fucking break fleabag, she's not beating him every day. Hell, there really is no evidence she ever hit him in fact. So stop with your idiotic trolling. Enough already.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No, the case with tiger and his wife is more like a woman telling you to hit me upside the head with a frying pan, and then YOU blaming the woman for her telling you to do so after you get arrested and charged with assault and battery. In this theoretical scenario, the Woman in this case is Tiger and you being his wife. It's not like his wife came out and attacked tiger because she thought he was a burglar, but because the crazies inside her finally came out after she discovered the infidelity.

There is a double standard here, if Tiger did the same thing because SHE cheated on him, he'd be on death row by now for attempted murder. (I'm exaggerating)

So if Tiger did nothing to her after she cheated then he'd be on death row?

You are making shit up in your mind which goes against witness accounts and all of the involved parties story.

You are fucked up in your head to a degree where you cannot understand the things you are told without rewriting it to make it fit your own fantasies in your head.

HEY, methhead, leave that crack alone!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

maybe not but if I chased a random woman down the street with a golf club, you can bet your ass I'd be in jail for a lengthy period of time. Yes I'm aware there is nothing the police can do, but people down playing this as 'typical female behavior" are in a way misogynistic.

If you had bothered to read what i wrote you would have read that i said that it was atypical, not typical. Now go find a dictionary to find out the difference retard.

And no, running down the driveway after a car carrying a golf club wouldn't land you in anything. There is no double standard when it comes to armed assault, none what so ever.

If you want to play a victim as a man, go right ahead but you are an atypical man by doing so.

Perhaps if he had inflated his tires to near explosion pressure she wouldn't have had to chase him at all?