If Only....

[judasmachine]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...ap_on_fe_st/rove_antic

Too bad, the pilot didn't start the plane...

 

[conjur]

McGUIRE AIR FORCE BASE, N.J. - Karl Rove laid himself on the line Monday for his boss, the president of the United States.

That is, he laid himself under the wheels of Air Force One. Reason: Unclear, but it seems to have been an inside joke between Rove and President Bush (news - web sites).

Returning to the aircraft after Bush's foreign policy speech, the two men traded words. As Bush climbed the stairs, his top political adviser set his briefcase down in front of the tires and stretched out on the ground with his back to the wheels.

Rove stood back up moments later; a smiling Bush waved from the plane and they both got aboard.

"It was a humorous moment on the campaign trail," was all Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel would say about Rove's antic.

Why do I get the feeling there's something more to this story?

Esp. considering Bush went back to D.C. Sunday to "reassess campaign strategy" and then makes a visit in N.J. for another fake policy speech (for which he got free, uncut coverage by all 3 cable news channels) which turned into a long Kerry bashing fest. Endorsements from papers all over the country, esp. Florida, for Kerry, polls show Kerry in the lead or tied, Democratic voter registration up dramatically.

Is Bush beginning to unravel and was he questioning Rove?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur

McGUIRE AIR FORCE BASE, N.J. - Karl Rove laid himself on the line Monday for his boss, the president of the United States.

That is, he laid himself under the wheels of Air Force One. Reason: Unclear, but it seems to have been an inside joke between Rove and President Bush (news - web sites).

Returning to the aircraft after Bush's foreign policy speech, the two men traded words. As Bush climbed the stairs, his top political adviser set his briefcase down in front of the tires and stretched out on the ground with his back to the wheels.

Rove stood back up moments later; a smiling Bush waved from the plane and they both got aboard.

"It was a humorous moment on the campaign trail," was all Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel would say about Rove's antic.

Why do I get the feeling there's something more to this story?

Esp. considering Bush went back to D.C. Sunday to "reassess campaign strategy" and then makes a visit in N.J. for another fake policy speech (for which he got free, uncut coverage by all 3 cable news channels) which turned into a long Kerry bashing fest. Endorsements from papers all over the country, esp. Florida, for Kerry, polls show Kerry in the lead or tied, Democratic voter registration up dramatically.

Is Bush beginning to unravel and was he questioning Rove?

k, name ONE poll in the last week showing kerry is leading. Good luck finding one because it doesnt exist.

Proof? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

 

[conjur]

When the polls are correct for their Republican lean, Kerry is ahead. Look at the Gallup poll that had Bush up by 8. When properly adjusted, Kerry leads by 2.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur
When the polls are correct for their Republican lean, Kerry is ahead. Look at the Gallup poll that had Bush up by 8. When properly adjusted, Kerry leads by 2.

hah, thats your explanation? Do u even know what the lean for the most current gallup poll is? Bush is leading in that poll of registered votes as well. The poll clearly says Bush is winning by 8, and you spin it around to say Kerry is winning by 2? AHAHAH, thats great.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
When the polls are correct for their Republican lean, Kerry is ahead. Look at the Gallup poll that had Bush up by 8. When properly adjusted, Kerry leads by 2.

hah, thats your explanation? Do u even know what the lean for the most current gallup poll is? Bush is leading in that poll of registered votes as well. The poll clearly says Bush is winning by 8, and you spin it around to say Kerry is winning by 2? AHAHAH, thats great.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/10/06/123833.php

Gallup polls have been around forever and you'd expect them to be honest, but they do the same thing:

The Gallup Poll, despite its reputation, assumes that this November 40% of those turning out to vote will be Republicans, and only 33% will be Democrat. Gallup just confirmed for me that this is the same sampling methodology they have been using this whole election season, for all their national and state polls.

According to John Zogby ... the spread (of actual voters historically) was

39% Democrats, 34% Republicans, and 27% Independents in 1996; and
39% Democrats, 35% Republicans and 26% Independents in 2000.
Given that Gallup?s CEO is a GOP donor, this should not be a surprise. [Why You Should Ignore The Gallup Poll This Morning - And Maybe Other Gallup Polls As Well]

Thus, based on recent voter turnout, the number of Democrats should be 11% higher rather than 17% lower than the number of Republicans sampled to get even remotely reasonable results.

So the next time you see a poll, especially if it's from Gallup or TNS, ignore the "margin of error" and instead consider the Margin of Bias - that could be 10-20% unfairly favoring the Republicans.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
When the polls are correct for their Republican lean, Kerry is ahead. Look at the Gallup poll that had Bush up by 8. When properly adjusted, Kerry leads by 2.

hah, thats your explanation? Do u even know what the lean for the most current gallup poll is? Bush is leading in that poll of registered votes as well. The poll clearly says Bush is winning by 8, and you spin it around to say Kerry is winning by 2? AHAHAH, thats great.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/10/06/123833.php

Gallup polls have been around forever and you'd expect them to be honest, but they do the same thing:

The Gallup Poll, despite its reputation, assumes that this November 40% of those turning out to vote will be Republicans, and only 33% will be Democrat. Gallup just confirmed for me that this is the same sampling methodology they have been using this whole election season, for all their national and state polls.

According to John Zogby ... the spread (of actual voters historically) was

39% Democrats, 34% Republicans, and 27% Independents in 1996; and
39% Democrats, 35% Republicans and 26% Independents in 2000.
Given that Gallup?s CEO is a GOP donor, this should not be a surprise. [Why You Should Ignore The Gallup Poll This Morning - And Maybe Other Gallup Polls As Well]

Thus, based on recent voter turnout, the number of Democrats should be 11% higher rather than 17% lower than the number of Republicans sampled to get even remotely reasonable results.

So the next time you see a poll, especially if it's from Gallup or TNS, ignore the "margin of error" and instead consider the Margin of Bias - that could be 10-20% unfairly favoring the Republicans.

and the real reason for the spread they are using? Because in the latest election, 2002, the spread was 40% Republicans and 33% Democrats. Very simple.

 

[conjur]

That was a NON-Presidential election.

Get a clue.

 

[judasmachine]

face it boys, this one is going all the way to the bottom of the 9th. if it's anything like last time we're looking at several extra innings. it ain't over till it's over.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur
That was a NON-Presidential election.

Get a clue.

...your point being?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
That was a NON-Presidential election.

Get a clue.

...your point being?

Damn, are you joking me? Or are you really that dense?


Guess you're not joking based on your past posts.


Democrats don't vote as regularly as do Republicans. In an off-year election, Republicans will be represented higher amongst those who do vote.

 

[conjur]

But, the point of this thread, I believe, is being missed.

The topic is wtf was Rove doing on the tarmac in front of the plane's wheels, after he and Bush "traded words"?

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: conjur
But, the point of this thread, I believe, is being missed.

The topic is wtf was Rove doing on the tarmac in front of the plane's wheels, after he and Bush "traded words"?

Conjur we agree on alot of stuff, but you misunderstand me this time. The point of this thread is WHY DIDN"T THEY KILL ROVE?!?!?!?

Actually my point was .................... I dunno, dumb humor maybe....

 

[conjur]

heh heh

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
That was a NON-Presidential election.

Get a clue.

...your point being?

Damn, are you joking me? Or are you really that dense?


Guess you're not joking based on your past posts.


Democrats don't vote as regularly as do Republicans. In an off-year election, Republicans will be represented higher amongst those who do vote.

And What makes you think it'll be different this year? Bush is extremely popular among conservatives, and many believe his base will be out in record force this year.

 

[chrisms]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
That was a NON-Presidential election.

Get a clue.

...your point being?

Damn, are you joking me? Or are you really that dense?


Guess you're not joking based on your past posts.


Democrats don't vote as regularly as do Republicans. In an off-year election, Republicans will be represented higher amongst those who do vote.

And What makes you think it'll be different this year? Bush is extremely popular among conservatives, and many believe his base will be out in record force this year.

I think the anti-Bushites will be much more likely to go out and vote than would conservatives. A lot of Kerry's support stems from extreme hatred of Bush, a hatred which has been burning for a long time and will ignite the ballot boxes.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

McGUIRE AIR FORCE BASE, N.J. - Karl Rove laid himself on the line Monday for his boss, the president of the United States.

That is, he laid himself under the wheels of Air Force One. Reason: Unclear, but it seems to have been an inside joke between Rove and President Bush (news - web sites).

Returning to the aircraft after Bush's foreign policy speech, the two men traded words. As Bush climbed the stairs, his top political adviser set his briefcase down in front of the tires and stretched out on the ground with his back to the wheels.

Rove stood back up moments later; a smiling Bush waved from the plane and they both got aboard.

"It was a humorous moment on the campaign trail," was all Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel would say about Rove's antic.

Why do I get the feeling there's something more to this story?

Because you need to feed your RBH instead of bolding the answer to your question.

CsG

 

[Pliablemoose]

Pic Stolen & posted here

<---Secretly wants to be Rove's bitch

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Because you need to feed your RBH instead of bolding the answer to your question.

CsG

I've said it before and I'll say it again: What the hell is "RBH," and why do you persist in using all these cryptic abbreviations and acronyms?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: conjur
That was a NON-Presidential election.

Get a clue.

...your point being?

Damn, are you joking me? Or are you really that dense?


Guess you're not joking based on your past posts.


Democrats don't vote as regularly as do Republicans. In an off-year election, Republicans will be represented higher amongst those who do vote.

And What makes you think it'll be different this year? Bush is extremely popular among conservatives, and many believe his base will be out in record force this year.

You mean ultra-conservatives. Have you not noticed the great number of conservatives criticizing Bush in the last few months?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Because you need to feed your RBH instead of bolding the answer to your question.

CsG

I've said it before and I'll say it again: What the hell is "RBH," and why do you persist in using all these cryptic abbreviations and acronyms?

It's his cutesy way of abbreviating Rabid Bush Hater.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY


Because you need to feed your RBH instead of bolding the answer to your question.

CsG

I've said it before and I'll say it again: What the hell is "RBH," and why do you persist in using all these cryptic abbreviations and acronyms?

It's his cutesy way of abbreviating Rabid Bush Hater.

It may be cute to you but it's the truth.

CsG

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

It may be cute to you but it's the truth.

CsG

It's also the kind of marginalization of your "adversary" that makes this board a worse place. I wish you and everyone else would cut that crap out.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

It may be cute to you but it's the truth.

CsG

It's also the kind of marginalization of your "adversary" that makes this board a worse place. I wish you and everyone else would cut that crap out.

Meh.

I suppose throwing RBH around is almost as bad as those throwing around neocon. However in this case it is quite true. conjur is a rabid bush hater(extreme disliker, or whatever makes you "feel" better about it).

CsG

 

[CaptnKirk]

The sophomoric approch by the GOP is to mock everything that isn't party line.

It's like they never progressed beyound the 10th grade, and never left adolescence.

Hust like reference to Edwards as 'the Breck Girl', childish - but look at the level of
intelligence they pander to: WWF/NASCAR &amp; SNAKE HANDLERS.