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halik

halik

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
$25/day sounds like the company wants her to pay to work rather than the other way around. She'll be lucky to make any money doing that. In fact, do a little research and present the company with an Excel spreadsheet proving as much - living expenses (lodging, food, transportation) may very well be greater than her normal salary + $25/day.

Have her refuse on the basis of not wanting to submit to slavery.
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QFT she's going to be coming out of pocket at that...even the $180 day per diem is more or less a wash when one considers food, incidentals and all the stuff that one still has to pay for back home and gets no use out of.

I told her ultimately it's up to her and at tax time we may be able to benefit a bit (however; I doubt we will have any additional tax liability this year at time of our return).

She will keep a tally of expenses if she goes.

If it were me I'd have said not interested just on the principal they are expecting to let her know 2-3 days ahead of when she'd be flying out. I could accept that for an emergency...but this is a 3 month deal that is a constant rotation with the company.

Lodging is covered, but it's a shared room usually. They book suite type hotels were you have a private bedroom and common living area...usually 3-4 people a suite. Also which would be a deal breaker for me. I have always travelled for business with a private room.
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Never heard of that before (the shared part)... the standard is if you're staying for extended period of time, you get corporate apartments (with kitchens and stuff). Is this a common arrangement in Japan?

 
alkemyst

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
$25/day sounds like the company wants her to pay to work rather than the other way around. She'll be lucky to make any money doing that. In fact, do a little research and present the company with an Excel spreadsheet proving as much - living expenses (lodging, food, transportation) may very well be greater than her normal salary + $25/day.

Have her refuse on the basis of not wanting to submit to slavery.
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QFT she's going to be coming out of pocket at that...even the $180 day per diem is more or less a wash when one considers food, incidentals and all the stuff that one still has to pay for back home and gets no use out of.

I told her ultimately it's up to her and at tax time we may be able to benefit a bit (however; I doubt we will have any additional tax liability this year at time of our return).

She will keep a tally of expenses if she goes.

If it were me I'd have said not interested just on the principal they are expecting to let her know 2-3 days ahead of when she'd be flying out. I could accept that for an emergency...but this is a 3 month deal that is a constant rotation with the company.

Lodging is covered, but it's a shared room usually. They book suite type hotels were you have a private bedroom and common living area...usually 3-4 people a suite. Also which would be a deal breaker for me. I have always travelled for business with a private room.
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Never heard of that before (the shared part)... the standard is if you're staying for extended period of time, you get corporate apartments (with kitchens and stuff). Is this a common arrangement in Japan?
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That would be the suite style I was referring too...it's not common AFAIK in Tokyo though...however, I have never shopped that style of room. I know in Bangkok they were very popular.
 
alkemyst

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Pheran
How she can even consider this on $25/day per diem I have no idea. She should be telling them "Hell no!"

The US State Department has Tokyo listed at almost $200/day for meals and incidentals.

http://aoprals.state.gov/web92...ide=1&CountryCode=1128
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Didn't know about that up to the date list...but I had mentioned above it's about $180 by the book for M-I-E....

the problem is what is the impact should she say "no". It's probably going to be job hunting time.
 
kranky

kranky

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I would EXPECT my housing to be paid, a rental car + reimbursement for gas, a reasonable allowance for calling home or having a cell phone provided, and EITHER

1. US goverment standard per diem for the area; OR
2. actual expenses reimbursed in full for meals and laundry plus a small daily amount for incidentals.

Are you sure the $25/day per diem isn't only for meals, and all other expenses are reimbursed? If $25/day is supposed to cover everything, that's beyond insulting.
 
BoomerD

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: bctbct
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NOW I understand why you're so fucking bitter all the time. Your "wife" has a larger penis than you do...:laugh:
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dude those were guys...not women.
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dude...OMFG! That means you've caught the gay! :roll: Actually, I figured that out rather quickly...It's ok. MOST people on ATOT are gay-friendly. (not everyone...some of us are not so liberal) :p But there's very little real gay bashing here.
It all makes so much sense now...why didn't I figure it out before? With my 1/2 semester of psychology, I SHOULD have been able to see the signs. :D
 
lupi

lupi

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Triumph

Triumph

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dude, gov't per diem for any place in the states that isn't listed on the GSA website (meaning, middle of fucking nowhere South Dakota or Louisiana) is $39 a day. 25 smackers a day for Japan, are you out of your mind? There's got to be more to the story, maybe the meals are comped and this is $25 over top of that. Even that isn't that good for a place like Japan. Maybe this is their way of making her quit? "We like your performance so much, we've decided to send you to Japan where you'll be spending more money than you make just to live there, and be expected to work 73 hours a week. Hey, when in Rome...!"
 
alkemyst

alkemyst

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umm except it's $25 for everything and they are sending teams of associates over there for 3month stints. Her room is covered.

When she went to bangkok for a couple weeks it was also $25, but that went a long way there...we didn't even bother looking up per diem.

The deal is they can send american associates cheaper than hiring Japanese ones.

 
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Jumpem

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I would expect at least double my salary while there; all housing, dining, and transportation covered; and a bonus of at least $25k for having to fly.
 
EagleKeeper

EagleKeeper

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Per diem rates - Japan

For Toyko city the maximum is $408/day for meals and lodging. no if the company is providing thelodging via a seperate method, then the costs for meals drops for about $200.


As Boomer implied; if the company does not want to cover her expenses; then she should not go and probably start looking for another job.

Bangkok was $200/day.

From the company's viewpoint, if she did not complain about Bangkok; then Tokyo shold not raise muchof a fuss.
 
guyver01

guyver01

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Sep 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
umm except it's $25 for everything and they are sending teams of associates over there for 3month stints. Her room is covered.
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wow... sounds like she's getting screwed... i wouldn't even get out of bed for "$25/day" for travel.

When i had to travel to another STATE for a month to do training, my company paid for hotel, reasonable gas mileage as calculated based on their travel policy, and all meals ($10 for breakfast, $10 for lunch, $20 for dinner, total $40 combined for the day.. so you could do $5 breakfast.. skip lunch, and do a $35 dinner.. and it would be covered) .. anything else we wanted we had to cover.



 
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