If marijuana is so bad...

WinkOsmosis

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...why do 'they' call it a "gateway drug"? It should be bad enough on its own right?

Is alcohol a gateway drug?
 

Mill

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Think about who you buy alcohol from and who you buy weed from. Your weed dealer a lot of the time sells other things and it is easier to get involved with other things if you are around them. Alcohol can be a gateway drug but it is limited due to the fact that it is legal and is bought at a store and not from a drug dealer.
 

deftron

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It's not so bad..

Calling it a "gateway drug" is the worst stigma the anti-drug cops
can put on it to make it seem bad.


Anything could be a "gateway drug" if you took it before
getting into heavy drugs..

Caffeine, Asprin, Robotussin..

 

gopunk

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it is called a gateway drug because the theory is that people who become addicted to it (please, shut up if you are going to post something like "it's not addictive"... there are people who do get addicted to it) will eventually become dissatisfied with the "high" provided by pot, and look for better "highs" in other drugs.

but to answer your question, i don't see how being a "gateway" drug means it isn't harmful... torturing animals is a "gateway activity" to serial killing...

not to equate pot smoking to torturing animals... just saying that just because it leads to something that is considered worse does not mean it isn't bad in and of itself.

pot smoking is bad for your health, no matter how you slice it. at the very least, you are inhaling smoke. yea, that's healthy
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but don't worry, i support the legalization of pot... the severity of the negative health implications are irrelevant to me since i don't really care about your health :D
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: gopunk
it is called a gateway drug because people who become addicted to it (please, shut up if you are going to post something like "it's not addictive"... there are people who do get addicted to it) will eventually become dissatisfied with the "high" provided by pot, and look for better "highs" in other drugs.

Pot is not addictive. Sorry I had to do that even though it can be just like you stated. ;)
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: Millenium
Originally posted by: gopunk
it is called a gateway drug because people who become addicted to it (please, shut up if you are going to post something like "it's not addictive"... there are people who do get addicted to it) will eventually become dissatisfied with the "high" provided by pot, and look for better "highs" in other drugs.

Pot is not addictive. Sorry I had to do that even though it can be just like you stated. ;)

st@b st@b st@b :p
 

IGBT

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Tobacco is the most common gateway drug and for most addicts the first addictive substance they were exposed to. Go to any AA meeting or Narc.meeting and most are smokers and smoked first before they drank or did drugs.
 

tcsenter

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..why do 'they' call it a "gateway drug"? It should be bad enough on its own right?
Because when they survey people who use or have used harder drugs, a lot of them report that their use of ganja was what introduced them to the 'drug culture' where harder drugs are more overt and accessible.

I don't know what the response would be if they polled marijuana users and asked if marijuana introduced them to harder drugs. The questions could be:

Of respondents who report using marijuana, how many progressed to harder drugs?

Of respondents who report using harder drugs, how many credit marijuana for introducing them to harder drugs?

I think they've found a positive correlation when asking both questions.
Is alcohol a gateway drug?
It certainly can be, although it appears to a much lesser degree. Going to places where alcohol is served or used doesn't necessarily bring you into closer proximity with a culture or subset of harder drug using individuals, but I can say where ever I've gone that marijuana was present, so was everything else under the sun.
 

Miramonti

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if pot is a gateway drug then so is beer, leading to hard liquor consumption.

either legalize pot or ban alcohol too, anything else is hypocritical.

 

tcsenter

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if pot is a gateway drug then so is beer, leading to hard liquor consumption.
Actually, its not. Alcohol is alcohol to the brain. The premise of going from beer to liquor is analogous to going from low potency marijuana to high potency marijuana (THC is THC).

There are fundamental differences in going from marijuana to methamphetamines, cocaine, or heroin that cannot be said of beer to liquor.

While pot has in fact been shown to manipulate dopamine, it does so in a different way so as to make addiction potential very low compared with heroin or amphetamine.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
if pot is a gateway drug then so is beer, leading to hard liquor consumption.
Actually, its not. Alcohol is alcohol to the brain. The premise of going from beer to liquor is analogous to going from low potency marijuana to high potency marijuana (THC is THC).

There are fundamental differences in going from marijuana to methamphetamines, cocaine, or heroin that cannot be said of beer to liquor.

While pot has in fact been shown to manipulate dopamine, it does so in a different way so as to make addiction potential very low compared with heroin or amphetamine.

Don't use logic. It baffles people.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Millenium
Think about who you buy alcohol from and who you buy weed from. Your weed dealer a lot of the time sells other things and it is easier to get involved with other things if you are around them. Alcohol can be a gateway drug but it is limited due to the fact that it is legal and is bought at a store and not from a drug dealer.

Very good point. "Marijuana is a gateway drug." WHY is it a "gateway drug"? Is it due to some magical property of THC itself, or could it possibly be because it's illegal, and your local source for it is also your local source for other substances that he/she would love to sell you?
 

deftron

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The whole "gateway drug" thing is so fake..




While most crack users have smoked pot...

Most pot users have not and will not smoke crack..



 

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Originally posted by: InFecTed
Some of you guys should check the coffee shops in Amsterdam:D

Amsterdam isnt the only city with coffee shops :)

We all got em :D

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AvesPKS

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Originally posted by: aphexII
Originally posted by: InFecTed
Some of you guys should check the coffee shops in Amsterdam:D

Amsterdam isnt the only city with coffee shops :)

We all got em :D

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The ones in Amsterdam are awesome, though. Oh, man, spring break was fun this year. :D
 

tm37

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Originally posted by: jjsole
if pot is a gateway drug then so is beer, leading to hard liquor consumption.

either legalize pot or ban alcohol too, anything else is hypocritical.


One of the reasons that Pot is still illegal is that there is not a reliable way to determain if you are high or if you just got high last week.

With alcohol a simple breath test can give a measure of BAC (blood alcohol content) where as with THC just having it in your system would show the same as if you were stoned right now.

So it really isn't as hypocritical as you think.
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: deftron
The whole "gateway drug" thing is so fake..




While most crack users have smoked pot...

Most pot users have not and will not smoke crack..

Eh i don't agree with that. How many Acid users or Coke users have you known that have never done Pot? I bet not a single one. Pot IS a gateway drug to other drugs, like said before, once you like getting high - you'll try other things to see what sort of highs there are. People who are anti pot and don't smoke weed, you dont see them running around shoot up.

Saying how many people you know smoke crack...thats a wrong comparison. Now many people smoke crack and continue keeping friends :D

That said...I don't think it's any worse than liquor. There are as many alchy's as there are potheads.
 

WinkOsmosis

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus01
Originally posted by: deftron
The whole "gateway drug" thing is so fake..




While most crack users have smoked pot...

Most pot users have not and will not smoke crack..

Eh i don't agree with that. How many Acid users or Coke users have you known that have never done Pot? I bet not a single one. Pot IS a gateway drug to other drugs, like said before, once you like getting high - you'll try other things to see what sort of highs there are. People who are anti pot and don't smoke weed, you dont see them running around shoot up.

Saying how many people you know smoke crack...thats a wrong comparison. Now many people smoke crack and continue keeping friends :D

That said...I don't think it's any worse than liquor. There are as many alchy's as there are potheads.
Those users of hard drugs also use caffeine, and alcohol. Does that mean those are gateway drugs? The gateway drug argument is based on reverse logic.


 

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It's simple logic: people that are willing to try pot are usually willing to try other things like acid or E
Your local pussified nerd that is deathly afraid of marijuana sure isn't going to try coke
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