If Kerry wins in '04

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

wow, your an idiot.

Well!!!!!!! How rude!

 

[gistech1978]

Topic Title: If Kerry wins in '04
Topic Summary: Will it just be a Bush Blame Fest?

i hope so.
he needs to be blamed for what hes done.

 

[Cogman]

Personally, I might not get a chance to vote next year, Anyways, I vote for the people that support my Ideas, Kerry is not that man, Bush is not great, but I believe that he is one step above Kerry at least and that is why He gets my vote.

If Kerry Wins, Yah A few things that go wrong will be blamed on the bush administration. But he wont get away with too much stuff. As far as the comment "Bush is the worst president EVER" goes, I just laugh, because It is true, whenever a president gets into office they automatically get the vote for being "The worst Ever". It happened with Bush, it happened with Cliton, And its happened continually after Washington left office. Heck People though Lincoln was the worst ever, back in the day, Because he was going to set a deadline for slaves to be free, which would, in their minds, Destroy many farming industries.

My point being, that I dont think bush has been the worst president ever, hes not the best, but he has done alright, As for Ronald Reagan, I think he get up to the top ten list of best presidents ever, He did a good job and left this country better then he found it.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Cogman
As for Ronald Reagan, I think he get up to the top ten list of best presidents ever, He did a good job and left this country better then he found it.

Just like Bush has

 

[Crimson]

This topic has not turned out well.. will anyone address my question? What if the economy tanks, or another terrorist attack occurs? Will Kerry get any blame for it?

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Crimson
This topic has not turned out well.. will anyone address my question? What if the economy tanks, or another terrorist attack occurs? Will Kerry get any blame for it?

I'll bite. I feel it all depends on how immediate the crisis occurs. I remember conservatives here arguing that some signs of terrorism were missed because Bush was freshly in office and getting the hang of things. I hope that they give Kerry the same privilege at least to a minor degree. But if you don't accept that as an answer, I would say it depends on what Kerry does (actually, what republicans will allow him to do) and how quickly. I'm guessing economic policies with a dem president and republicans in the house will get nowhere - leaving that Bush-y smell for a good while. And as for terrorism, if Kerry had the clues and didn't act, hell yeah, I'd get on his back too.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Crimson
This topic has not turned out well.. will anyone address my question? What if the economy tanks, or another terrorist attack occurs? Will Kerry get any blame for it?

Yeah, especially from people like you. Hell you might even be right for once!

 

[Train]

im more worried that he will take credit for the economic recovery. Its funny how they will downplay the economy now, but as soon as Kerry is in Office they will be like, "see what our great president has done!" and the truth is he would actually do nothing, hed just sit back and enjoy the improving economy (kinda how Clinton took credit for the great economy that he did nothing to create), then raise taxes or give some sort of "Preferred trade status" to a country that has 10 cent an hour labor market, but by the time those taxes or job exports actually caused the economy to go down again, another Republican will be in office then it will get blamed on him, and the cycle continues.

If things get worse than they are now(economy, terrorism, etc), I think blaming Bush will only work for the first year, after that hes gotta start standing up for whats going on, and if he cant hang, then hes in trouble.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Train
im more worried that he will take credit for the economic recovery. Its funny how they will downplay the economy now, but as soon as Kerry is in Office they will be like, "see what our great president has done!" and the truth is he would actually do nothing, hed just sit back and enjoy the improving economy (kinda how Clinton took credit for the great economy that he did nothing to create), then raise taxes or give some sort of "Preferred trade status" to a country that has 10 cent an hour labor market, but by the time those taxes or job exports actually caused the economy to go down again, another Republican will be in office then it will get blamed on him, and the cycle continues.

If things get worse than they are now(economy, terrorism, etc), I think blaming Bush will only work for the first year, after that hes gotta start standing up for whats going on, and if he cant hang, then hes in trouble.

"No President has ever done more for human rights than I have."
* Ken Auletta "Fortress Bush", The New Yorker, Jan 19, 2004, p64

If you think Bush isn't calling himself responsible for all the positives of these past 4 years, you're fooling yourself.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

The Democrats were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of values and a party for minorities. They are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of relativist loons who function most effectively as a voice for the uneducated and are best represented on television and newsprint where they can make up words like "flisten" and help the poor recover. If given power they cannibalize the nation and self destruct taking years of absolute morality and prosperity with them. Vote Republican in November. It is absolutely vital for the recovering health of the nation.

 

[NeoV]

Don't you people get tired of the "your party sucks, mine rules" stuff?

How is it possible that one side is absolutely, 100% right about everything?

My biggest problem with the current state of American politics is the complete lack of vision that the primary objective of either party should be what is in the best interests of the people of the USA - not the interests of your donators, your party, or your friends. (and btw, if you are going to say "your" and idiot, you might want to at least use the correct syntax, which would be "you're and idiot" - but I don't want to have this seem like a defense of Moonbeam, so nevermind)

Of course the Dems will blame Bush for any of the events listed here, just like the Rep's blamed Clinton for 9/11 and the economy. Both sides do it, get used to it.

Reagan was at least smart enough to listen to the top financial advisors who told him his tax cuts weren't working, and he wisely repealed some of them, and even raised certain taxes - but shh..don't mention that around the right, who is soaking up all of the favorable Reagan sentiment right now by trying to tie Bush to him in some way, as if any of his policies are anything like Reagan's.

I think a better question is this - and let's set it up by saying that Kerry wins this election - I like the guy, btw, who calls that a longshot - even though he is ahead in the latest polling - so lets say in late December, 2004, three malls are blown up in near-simultaneous attacks, and a few thousand people are killed, and Al-Q takes credit - heck, Osama himself sends out another videotape announcing to the world he planned it or backed the planners. Shouldn't Bush get blamed for that? Didn't we greatly diminish the efforts to kill/capture OBL with the Iraq mess?

Same scenario with Kerry winning, and same terror attack in late December 2004 - only this time, it is by a new terror group, who says it supports Al-Q, but did the attack in retaliation for the invastion and subsequent occupation of Iraq - who should get blamed for that?

In my opinion, more people in the middle east hate us now than ever before, so more attacks, unfortunately, are likely...

also, I still say we trot out OBL in late October - not by accident, and Bush wins the election with that late surge...

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Crimson
This topic has not turned out well.. will anyone address my question? What if the economy tanks, or another terrorist attack occurs? Will Kerry get any blame for it?

No worse than Clinton is blamed for the economy, terrorist attacks etc, at least by those who are strictly driven by partisanship.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

The Democrats were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of values and a party for minorities. They are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of relativist loons who function most effectively as a voice for the uneducated and are best represented on television and newsprint where they can make up words like "flisten" and help the poor recover. If given power they cannibalize the nation and self destruct taking years of absolute morality and prosperity with them. Vote Republican in November. It is absolutely vital for the recovering health of the nation.

Your opinion isn't far off from the views of most rich white men in this country.

 

[Train]

In my opinion, more people in the middle east hate us now than ever before, so more attacks, unfortunately, are likely...

you mean "In CNN's Opinion"

 

[Train]

how come its ok to be racist against whites?

If I said "you sound like a lot of black people in this country" I'd be flamed to death, and most likely banned from AT, probably permanently.

edit: speeling

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Train

In my opinion, more people in the middle east hate us now than ever before, so more attacks, unfortunately, are likely...

you mean "In CNN's Opinion"

In case you've forgotten terror attacks have gone up.

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

The Democrats were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of values and a party for minorities. They are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of relativist loons who function most effectively as a voice for the uneducated and are best represented on television and newsprint where they can make up words like "flisten" and help the poor recover. If given power they cannibalize the nation and self destruct taking years of absolute morality and prosperity with them. Vote Republican in November. It is absolutely vital for the recovering health of the nation.

Your opinion isn't far off from the views of most rich white men in this country.

Well, that's a coincedence. Because I'm a 30-year-old college educated professional, and I rent an aprtment because I cannot afford to buy a home like my peers. Seeing how I live paycheck to paycheck, I don't think my political viewpoints are based on my financial status.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Train
how come its ok to be racist against whites?

If I said "you sound like a lot of black people in this country" I'd be flamed to death, and most likely banned from AT, probably permanently.

edit: speeling

I say that because there aren't many minorities who would insult a party by calling it a "party for minorities". But for political correctness: "Rich people"

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

The Democrats were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of values and a party for minorities. They are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of relativist loons who function most effectively as a voice for the uneducated and are best represented on television and newsprint where they can make up words like "flisten" and help the poor recover. If given power they cannibalize the nation and self destruct taking years of absolute morality and prosperity with them. Vote Republican in November. It is absolutely vital for the recovering health of the nation.

Fortunately, I'm not one to dodge an attack. Lets put the above in reverse, shall we?: "Then Republicans are beacons of moral values, and a party for uhh.... non-minorities. They have true leadership aren't stupid like everyone else, and can spell. They feel that the poor can become as well-off as them without any help. Republicans must exist to protect against the savage unamericans and uphold decades of fiscal and moral superiority". My retort is hardly as offensive

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: Train
how come its ok to be racist against whites?

If I said "you sound like a lot of black people in this country" I'd be flamed to death, and most likely banned from AT, probably permanently.

edit: speeling

I say that because there aren't many minorities who would insult a party by calling it a "party for minorities". But for political correctness: "Rich people"

Does this make any sense?

Which "Minority" are you referring to? A racial Minority or the Rich Minority? And why is it as soon as some one is rich they are "bad" and no matter the minority, race, or financial status, there is still no excuse for a blanket statement, why dont you just come out and say you are prejudice.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

The Democrats were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of values and a party for minorities. They are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of relativist loons who function most effectively as a voice for the uneducated and are best represented on television and newsprint where they can make up words like "flisten" and help the poor recover. If given power they cannibalize the nation and self destruct taking years of absolute morality and prosperity with them. Vote Republican in November. It is absolutely vital for the recovering health of the nation.

Based on what criteria are minorities incapable of leading? Or perhaps you mean that the Democratic party simply is supportive of minorities. Those uneducated loons, as indicated in your post, are Americans too or are representing all Americans (depending on your meaning). Getting a slice of the American pie is not wrong it is what America is all about. If the health of American is dependent on the wants and desires of the Republicans alone and they think as your post indicates then it needs a good dose of berium or something to ease the Republican Administration into the toilet of their philosophy.

I suspect, however, a sarcastic response to Moonbeam's elequent and accurate thesis was your attempt. If this is true then I'd simply chuckle at its nanner nanner ness.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: Train
how come its ok to be racist against whites?

If I said "you sound like a lot of black people in this country" I'd be flamed to death, and most likely banned from AT, probably permanently.

edit: speeling

I say that because there aren't many minorities who would insult a party by calling it a "party for minorities". But for political correctness: "Rich people"

Does this make any sense?

Which "Minority" are you referring to? A racial Minority or the Rich Minority? And why is it as soon as some one is rich they are "bad" and no matter the minority, race, or financial status, there is still no excuse for a blanket statement, why dont you just come out and say you are prejudice.

I'm referring to the same minorities Rob is referring to. (I'd add more but I need to take my car to the shop)

 

[Moonbeam]

If Kerry wins the election this year.. is there ANYTHING he can do wrong over the next 4 years that WON'T be blamed on Bush?

Well lets see:

"Anything bad happens in Iraq.. It was Bush's fault for getting us into that mess."

You put that rather well. That would be true then as now.
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"Anything bad happens in the Economy.. It was Bush's irresponsible tax cuts."

Again an excellent job, the tax cuts at a time of budget demand in wartime is stupid.
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"Anything bad happens Internationally.. It was Bush's failed foreign policy."

This is quite likely since Bush has ruined the political capital of the US in the eyes of the world, but there is always a chance that Kerry could add to some catastrophe begun by Bush.
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"Terrorists strike again.. It was Bush upsetting them by invading Iraq."

Again this is rather more than likely since Bush has made such a mess. But terrorism is the result of insanity and you can't always pin responsibility for that on specific individuals. It's a combination of ingredients usually.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: Rob9874

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Republicans were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of progress and a minority, opposition party. They were never meant and are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of retrograde loons who function most effectively as a voice for pique and miff of the mentally disturbed and are best represented on hate radio where they can cluster flisten and help the deer population recover. If given power they cannibalize each other and self destruct taking years of progress and debt recovery with them. Vote Democratic in November. It is absolutely vital for the ailing health of the nation.

The Democrats were never meant to be anything but a drag on the ass of values and a party for minorities. They are incapable of leading. Essentially they're nothing but a bunch of relativist loons who function most effectively as a voice for the uneducated and are best represented on television and newsprint where they can make up words like "flisten" and help the poor recover. If given power they cannibalize the nation and self destruct taking years of absolute morality and prosperity with them. Vote Republican in November. It is absolutely vital for the recovering health of the nation.

Your opinion isn't far off from the views of most rich white men in this country.

Well, that's a coincedence. Because I'm a 30-year-old college educated professional, and I rent an aprtment because I cannot afford to buy a home like my peers. Seeing how I live paycheck to paycheck, I don't think my political viewpoints are based on my financial status.

It must really bother you that a Blue Collar Union worker makes more money than you and can afford to buy a house. Also in a lot of trades they have as much education as you due to 4 year apprenticeship programs. I can assure you that a Union Carpenter, Elelctrician, Plumber, Pipefitter or Sheet Metal worker is as much a professional as you. You also won't see those jobs outsourced to India to be done for pennies on the dollar like you will a lot of "White Collar Professional" jobs.

 

[chess9]

Moonbeam:

Sheezh, dude, you are a hoot. A laugh riot gone AWOL on the Canary Islands of my mind.

Anyway, what will you do in 7th Grade?



-Robert