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If Jesus was alive today, would he be a democrat or a republican?
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Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuals...
No, but Jesus did have a high view of Scripture. Quoted from the Old Testament repeatedly. In fact, Jesus said, Matthew 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
More importantly, Paul spoke about homosexuals, most notably in 1 Corinthians 6... He also tells the church in 1 Cor.14:37 "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord." IN other words Paul is telling the church, "If you claim to be a "spiritual person" then you had better affirm that what I am teaching is right, b/c it comes from Christ, otherwise you're not really all that spiritual at all..." Therefore, b/c he was an apostle sent out by Christ, what Paul has written about homosexuality carries with it as much weight as the sayings of Christ.
No, but Jesus did have a high view of Scripture. Quoted from the Old Testament repeatedly. In fact, Jesus said, Matthew 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."
More importantly, Paul spoke about homosexuals, most notably in 1 Corinthians 6... He also tells the church in 1 Cor.14:37 "If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord." IN other words Paul is telling the church, "If you claim to be a "spiritual person" then you had better affirm that what I am teaching is right, b/c it comes from Christ, otherwise you're not really all that spiritual at all..." Therefore, b/c he was an apostle sent out by Christ, what Paul has written about homosexuality carries with it as much weight as the sayings of Christ.
jjzelinski
Diamond Member
Don't know if any one has noticed this yet or not but there hasn't been a single post suggesting Jesus would be a Republican 🙂
It's either Democrats saying "democrat" or conservatives saying "neither."
I find that rather funny. 😀
It's either Democrats saying "democrat" or conservatives saying "neither."
I find that rather funny. 😀
That would suggest to me that many liberals (here) are agnostics and therefore have no real understanding of Christs ministry.
A political party is mans govt. Much the same as in his time there were Pharasees, saducees, zealots....he joined none of them....his Kingdom, his government was not of this world.
Was that not the lie they tried to kill him with. Saying that by proclaiming he was a king that he was a threat to Ceaser.
the bible of course....heres a couple of many verses that mention it.
john19:12
From then on Pilate sought to release him, but the jews cried out, saying "If you let this man go, you are not Ceasers friend. Whoever makes himself a king speaks against Ceaser.
Matthew 22:15-21
Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle him in his talk. And they sent to him his disciples with the Herodians saying, " Teacher we know that you are true, and teach the way of God in truth; nor do you care about anyone, for you do not regard the the person of men.
Tell us therefore, what do you think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Ceaser, or not?
But Jesus percieved thier wickedness and said, Why do you tempt me you hypocrites?
Show me the tax money" So they brought him a denarius. And he said to them, "whose image and inscription is this?" They said to him "Ceasers" And he said to them, "Render therefore to Ceaser the things that are Ceasers and to God the things that are Gods.
In short: cliff notes:
* Jesus said he was the king of the jews.
*The religious leaders of that day tried to use it against him to Make it appear as if he wanted Ceasers throne.
imported_Tango
Golden Member
I would guess that being born in Bethlem, he would't be american; So neither Dem nor Rep
Zebo
Elite Member
Plenty of liberals don't like abortion.
That's the problem with two-party oligarchy here that restricts competition among political beleifs which are effectivly now broad political parties unable to break up into smaller, more competitive parties that would actually stand for something.
MrColin
Platinum Member
The parties have divided up the "relavent" moral issues much the same way they have been redistricting the electorate geographically to control electoral outcomes. Our two parties are fingers on the same hand, or perhaps two forks on the same tongue if you will.
If someone appeared who could make a credible claim to be Jesus, our elected politicians would be blowing up the phone at FBI headquarters inquiring as to why he hasn't been whacked yet. Those same politicians would be pandering to his followers and blaming thier opponents for his demise, directly and indirectly.
Now, if Jesus were never crucified and had survived through all of the tyrany and war of the last 2000 years, he might have taught people to to behave in ways that would make governance irrelavent and obsolete. Of course he probably would have just given up because we're just stupid monkeys anyway.
If someone appeared who could make a credible claim to be Jesus, our elected politicians would be blowing up the phone at FBI headquarters inquiring as to why he hasn't been whacked yet. Those same politicians would be pandering to his followers and blaming thier opponents for his demise, directly and indirectly.
Now, if Jesus were never crucified and had survived through all of the tyrany and war of the last 2000 years, he might have taught people to to behave in ways that would make governance irrelavent and obsolete. Of course he probably would have just given up because we're just stupid monkeys anyway.
Why did God make the Bonobo chimp so sexual including homosexual? How could Paul know anything about homosexuality? Your capacity to buttress your bigotry by credulity is spectacular. Nothing religious can change the fact that you are a chimpanzee.
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Nice little ad hominem...Your argument is flawed for two big reasons:
1. Man is unique. Made in the image of God, with a moral capacity, unlike the rest of God's creatures...
2. More imporatantly, you're assuming that nature is perfect (naturalist?), but Christian theology and the Bible teaches nature hasn't been perfect since the fall of man. Read Genesis 3. The world itself (not just man) has been tainted by the fall of man, for this reason the world is an imperfect place filled with problems. So am I surprised there is homosexual behavior among the animal kingdom? Nope... By the way, I don't see the Bonobo chimps asking for same-sex marriages...
your question, "How could Paul know anything about homosexuality?" Uhm, b/c he lived in the ancient world, in cities like Corinth, places that glorified homosexual relationships, moreso than in the most "progressive" countries today. homosexuality was the norm among the Gentiles, Paul was preaching something that was definitely counter-cultural, and that something was redemption, freedom from sexual immorality. Again please actually read 1 Corinthians 6 before making the claim that Paul or I am simply some bigots who want all homos to go to hell. Its just not the case, and I resent you for it.
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Nice little ad hominem...Your argument is flawed for two big reasons:
1. Man is unique. Made in the image of God, with a moral capacity, unlike the rest of God's creatures...
2. More imporatantly, you're assuming that nature is perfect (naturalist?), but Christian theology and the Bible teaches nature hasn't been perfect since the fall of man. Read Genesis 3. The world itself (not just man) has been tainted by the fall of man, for this reason the world is an imperfect place filled with problems. So am I surprised there is homosexual behavior among the animal kingdom? Nope... By the way, I don't see the Bonobo chimps asking for same-sex marriages...
your question, "How could Paul know anything about homosexuality?" Uhm, b/c he lived in the ancient world, in cities like Corinth, places that glorified homosexual relationships, moreso than in the most "progressive" countries today. homosexuality was the norm among the Gentiles, Paul was preaching something that was definitely counter-cultural, and that something was redemption, freedom from sexual immorality. Again please actually read 1 Corinthians 6 before making the claim that Paul or I am simply some bigots who want all homos to go to hell. Its just not the case, and I resent you for it.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
LMAO. Funny but sadly true.
jjzelinski
Diamond Member
Ok, so you being such a beacon of religious adherence have no place in modern American society. That is, of course, if you actually try to pattern your life in Christ' image unless you simply run around criticizing others for not doing so.
Modern evangelicals have aligned themselves with a political movement that is at its very nature contradictory to the teachings of the God they supposedly have given themselves to. Thank goodness evangelicals have the crutch of "forgiveness" to forever prop their sinfulness up with; otherwise they may not be able to reconcile their duplicity.
Back on topic, think of it this way; there are underlying paradigms and ideals that serve as the foundation for both ends of our political spectrum. The "left wing" is a manifestation of idealism; it based on what "should be", what we "should do" for the widest betterment of ourselves and our countrymen. Of course in their purest form, the ideals set forth by the "left wing" are utterly impractical.
Alternatively, the "right wing" is a manifestation of practicality; idealism is limited in use to serving as a means of guidance but not necessary to actually achieve. For instance, it would be great for everyone to be perfectly generous and willingly redistribute their wealth to accommodate the needs of the comparatively disadvantaged. In its purest form, the "right wing" is totally desensitized to accommodate what is humane and would resemble the behavior of a colony of insects.
It stands to reason that both ideologies in their purest forms are too extreme to actually be useful, so a moderate compromise between the two would seem ideal. Whether we acknowledge this or not on daily basis is sort irrelevant because this is the balance we're constantly arguing over. Presently, (imho) conservatives have been the ones throwing their weight around and disrupting the progress made towards this balance. This is why people on both ends of the spectrum are becoming increasingly hostile to each other; one side is becoming upset by the imbalance and the other is being frustrated by the efforts to resist its surge of popularity. Unfortunately, it?s especially hard to keep this discussion civil because the nature of the argument is highly sensitive to both right and left wingers.
Since most Christians tend to identify more with conservatism these days, they use their religion as a means to justify what would seem to people like me as the totally contradictory paradigms of their broad social perceptions. This is confusing to people like me because Christ was not a prophet of practicality, the basis of the ?right wing?, but rather a beacon of divine ideals; something people are supposed to LIVE UP to, what ?should be?, what we ?should do.? This is the disparity that this thread is trying illustrate.
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