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If Hillary was the Dem Candidate...

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Gravity

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I was pondering the amount of time we are spending discussing the validity of medals earned 30 years ago or wether or not someone did all they needed to do in guard duty long ago, and it occured to me;
what if Hillary was the candidate? what would we be discussing?

Surely there wouldn't be any swiftboat ads. There wouldn't be any discussion of Cambodia Christmas's, no talk of fortunes, no chatter about what meetings she didn't attend while a senator, what, praytell would we be discussing?

Would we be seeing a closer race? Would bush be scrambling to defend his service as a young man? His time at Yale? The iraq conflict?

Or, would we be discussing health care issues, overseas outsourcing, corporate profits and water quality?

I'm not advocating for Hillary by any means, just wondering how the discussion would be different if she were the nominee.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Probably the issues. The Clintons had much better campaign advisors than Kerry does.
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Hasn't Kerry hired them all at BC's advice? It's probably too late for them to save this train wreck though.

Do you think Hillary will have her own or will she use Bill's?
 
Originally posted by: lordtyranus
We'd be discussing whether a woman should be president or not.
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I hope we are past that by now.

Frankly, I would LOVE to see a woman President... just not Hillary 🙂
 
Hasn't Kerry hired them all at BC's advice? It's probably too late for them to save this train wreck though.

Do you think Hillary will have her own or will she use Bill's?
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They hired the ones who were fired by Clinton before the 96 campaign. This is one of my pieces of evidence that Kerry is nothing but a stooge so Hillary can run in 08.

 
Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: lordtyranus
We'd be discussing whether a woman should be president or not.
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I think we're past that. I could be mistaken.
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I am.
But I?d still have to discuss weather a lesbian should be president or not.

Actually, I don?t believe that the wife or husband of a former president should be elect able. 16 years under one legal entity, that?s to much like a kingship for me.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Hasn't Kerry hired them all at BC's advice? It's probably too late for them to save this train wreck though.

Do you think Hillary will have her own or will she use Bill's?
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They hired the ones who were fired by Clinton before the 96 campaign. This is one of my pieces of evidence that Kerry is nothing but a stooge so Hillary can run in 08.
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Yeah but sometime stooges can win. Take the Dub for instance!
 
I see you are again bringing nothing to the table.

btw I didnt realize the republicans in 2000 put Bush out there so they could run somebody else in 04? Who did they have ready and waiting?

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
I see you are again bringing nothing to the table.

btw I didnt realize the republicans in 2000 put Bush out there so they could run somebody else in 04? Who did they have ready and waiting?
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I think that there are some likely repubs to run in 08. I think that perhaps one strategic flaw was to have cheney as the VP. Although bush 41 didn't seem to capitilize on his vpness, neither did Gore, perhaps the vp isn't the most likely next in line.

I like alan keyes as a repub, also I think that McCain will try to get his hat in the ring, perhaps there is a ruluctant repub that has mass appeal waiting to be be tapped on the shoulder. J.C. Watts? Joe Scarborough?

Back to the thread, I think that our conversations would be issue oriented vs. skeleton oriented if the dems had nearly anyone else. Actually, I think that the discussion would be different if Kerry hadn't focused so much on his war stories.
 
Bah on Hillary. I can't see it happening. As for a woman being president, not her I would hope. I think we are ready for a woman president, however. I'd vote for Granholm if she weren't a Canuk and if she were able to run.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Hasn't Kerry hired them all at BC's advice? It's probably too late for them to save this train wreck though.

Do you think Hillary will have her own or will she use Bill's?
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They hired the ones who were fired by Clinton before the 96 campaign. This is one of my pieces of evidence that Kerry is nothing but a stooge so Hillary can run in 08.
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Yeah but sometime stooges can win. Take the Dub for instance!
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Get a new argument already.. sheesh.. :cookie:
 
Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: lordtyranus
We'd be discussing whether a woman should be president or not.
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I think we're past that. I could be mistaken.
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id like to think we are past that.
but...look at how quickly discussion degenerates around here as it is?

i think that would be a major discussion for a lot of folks.
 
Originally posted by: Gravity
I was pondering the amount of time we are spending discussing the validity of medals earned 30 years ago or wether or not someone did all they needed to do in guard duty long ago, and it occured to me;
what if Hillary was the candidate? what would we be discussing?

Surely there wouldn't be any swiftboat ads. There wouldn't be any discussion of Cambodia Christmas's, no talk of fortunes, no chatter about what meetings she didn't attend while a senator, what, praytell would we be discussing?

Would we be seeing a closer race? Would bush be scrambling to defend his service as a young man? His time at Yale? The iraq conflict?

Or, would we be discussing health care issues, overseas outsourcing, corporate profits and water quality?

I'm not advocating for Hillary by any means, just wondering how the discussion would be different if she were the nominee.
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Whitewater. Travelgate. Whatever other crap Rove could invent to divert attention from Dub's record.
 
Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: Genx87
I see you are again bringing nothing to the table.

btw I didnt realize the republicans in 2000 put Bush out there so they could run somebody else in 04? Who did they have ready and waiting?
Click to expand...

I think that there are some likely repubs to run in 08. I think that perhaps one strategic flaw was to have cheney as the VP. Although bush 41 didn't seem to capitilize on his vpness, neither did Gore, perhaps the vp isn't the most likely next in line.

I like alan keyes as a repub, also I think that McCain will try to get his hat in the ring, perhaps there is a ruluctant repub that has mass appeal waiting to be be tapped on the shoulder. J.C. Watts? Joe Scarborough?

Back to the thread, I think that our conversations would be issue oriented vs. skeleton oriented if the dems had nearly anyone else. Actually, I think that the discussion would be different if Kerry hadn't focused so much on his war stories.
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You like Alan Keyes? The man who called Cheney's daughter a "selfish hedonist". The man who compares abortion to terrorism. That takes some balls to say that you like the man, hell his own party is distancing themselves away from him.
Joe Scarbarough isn't a Republican either my friend, he's a conservative Independent as he likes to call himself. His senate career wasn't very long because of this, he didn't allow himself to be pushed around by lobbyists or the Republican majority leaders in the senate. Odds are he'd make for a poor candidate.

And keep in mind the Republicans definitely want to keep OFF the issues. Bush's record over the past four years is atrocious, and everyone pretty much agrees on this. If anything, it's Bush who wants to keep the subject off the issues because he's really got nothing to run on. Vote for me, I'll be the first president to lose jobs, vote for me and I'll create the largest deficit in history after wasting the largest surplus in history, vote for me and I'll throw us into many more quagmires like Iraq so we can fight the evildoers.
 
People keep laughing, but I am telling you if Hillary runs for President in the next 4-8 years she will win going away. The only republican candidate that could defaet her is McCain and only because he would gather support even from many democrats. Outside of that its a slam dunk.
 
Originally posted by: Ldir
Whitewater. Travelgate. Whatever other crap Rove could invent to divert attention from Dub's record.
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Heh, I would wager the Clintons have just as many, if not a few more, skeletons in thier closets than 'Dub.'

And people seem to think that "we are past" the idea that a women should not be president, based upon the sole fact that she's a woman. I admit, it must be nice to live in such a open-minded environment, but, sadly, there is still a significant part of the population that does not think that way. Sure, some of you will naturally assume it's "the South," and I will readily admit that the majority of these people may be from down here. But "the South" is still part of the nation and carries considerable weight.

And it's not all "back-woods rednecks" that would have these feelings, either. Consider than many denominations of Christianity oppose allowing women to be preachers or ministers. Even many intelligent, educated women believe that they have "no place" in "a man's world" and consider politics to be "men only" institutions.

All I can say is this, whoever gets the disctinction of being First Female President had better be both extremely capable and extremely thick-skinned. She will be judged mightily by the nation. I can already imagine the websites dedicated to tracking her menstruation cycle and charts correlating this with her decisions. It'll be tough for her, so she would have to be ready. I don't think Hillary is up to snuff, personally. She may be tough, but she is also rather hated by a great many people, as well.

 
The RNC discussion would be: "Oh no, it's Hillary the liberal candidate!" followed by attempts to portray liberals as the enemy.
 
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